[quote]confusion wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Dr Oz said 30 minutes weekly of weight lifting is all I need to maintain mass, whatever Dr Oz says is law in my book[/quote]
This is pretty funny,but Dr Oz? Google search Mike Mentzer. That’s the sort of body and achievement I respect. I’m passing along his ideas.Think he didn’t know anything? Also,45 min to an hour is better. lol
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Mentzer did not train once a week. Kind of goes against the central dogma of your post.
See here’s where you went wrong and came off like a troll.
“Most of us train too much. One visit to the gym a week is probably a good start .”
First of all almost no one would advocate training one day a week, thats just a fact. Beyond a time restriction theres just no compelling reason to do it. This is pretty much a given regardless of why you train.
Second, most of US are either competitive powerlifters or are chasing strength gains rather than appearance based ones. There are some who bodybuild, and a few others who are riding the line between the two but most of US are more impressed by strength than anything else. Thus training one day a week isn’t just inefficient its downright lazy and unhelpful. So when you say most of US train too much its useless to us, and down right silly.
Jack mentions a 500lb squat because thats something all most all of us consider impressive at some level. Its a goal worth chasing and a measure of some success and you aren’t getting to that level one day a week most likely so again, for US, thats useless.
Now if you only want to train one day a week; knock yourself out.
Now I’m attaching a picture, not my best pic but as you can see I look pretty much like most guys who lift, except I don’t lift for appearance. I bench, I squat, I deadlift and I go the fuck home.
I’f you’d like when I get home I’ll take a picture of my trophies and post those up as well.
EDIT: I’m also going to apologize for the Die in Fire comment. I’m pretty sure you aren’t a troll now. I mean you’re wrong, but I believe now you aren’t trolling.
do you have a sarcasm detector? If so put it on, if not consider getting one.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
See here’s where you went wrong and came off like a troll.
“Most of us train too much. One visit to the gym a week is probably a good start .”
First of all almost no one would advocate training one day a week, thats juat a fact. Beyond a time restriction theres just no compelling reason to do it. This is pretty much a given regardless of why you train.
Second, most of US are either competitive powerlifters or are chasing strength gains rather than appearance based ones. There are some who bodybuild, and a few others who are riding the line between the two but most of US are more impressed by strength than anything else. Thus training one day a week isn’t just inefficient its downright lazy and unhelpful. So when you say most of US train too much its useless to us, and down right silly.
Jack mentions a 500lb squat because thats something all most all of us consider impressive at some level. Its a goal worth chasing and a measure of some success and you aren’t getting to that level one day a week most likely so again, for US, thats useless.
Now if you only want to train one day a week; knock yourself out.
Now I’m attaching a picture, not my best pic but as you can see I look pretty much like most guys who lift, except I don’t lift for appearance. I bench, I squat, I deadlift and I go the fuck home.
I’f you’d like when I get home I’ll take a picture of my trophies and post those up as well.[/quote]
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First of all almost no one would advocate training one day a week, thats juat a fact. Beyond a time restriction theres just no compelling reason to do it. This is pretty much a given regardless of why you train.
If,as I do, A person thinks this will produce the best results, that is the compelling reason to do it. But a person such as yourself implies that laziness is the motive. Something tells me that me on video deadlifting 500lb would still not be good enough. So, the over 35’s are mainly powerlifters these days?
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
See here’s where you went wrong and came off like a troll.
“Most of us train too much. One visit to the gym a week is probably a good start .”
First of all almost no one would advocate training one day a week, thats juat a fact. Beyond a time restriction theres just no compelling reason to do it. This is pretty much a given regardless of why you train.
Second, most of US are either competitive powerlifters or are chasing strength gains rather than appearance based ones. There are some who bodybuild, and a few others who are riding the line between the two but most of US are more impressed by strength than anything else. Thus training one day a week isn’t just inefficient its downright lazy and unhelpful. So when you say most of US train too much its useless to us, and down right silly.
Jack mentions a 500lb squat because thats something all most all of us consider impressive at some level. Its a goal worth chasing and a measure of some success and you aren’t getting to that level one day a week most likely so again, for US, thats useless.
Now if you only want to train one day a week; knock yourself out.
Now I’m attaching a picture, not my best pic but as you can see I look pretty much like most guys who lift, except I don’t lift for appearance. I bench, I squat, I deadlift and I go the fuck home.
I’f you’d like when I get home I’ll take a picture of my trophies and post those up as well.[/quote]
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Sarcasm detector is on. This comment is sarcasm. Correct?
[quote]confusion wrote:
First of all almost no one would advocate training one day a week, thats juat a fact. Beyond a time restriction theres just no compelling reason to do it. This is pretty much a given regardless of why you train.
If,as I do, A person thinks this will produce the best results, that is the compelling reason to do it. But a person such as yourself implies that laziness is the motive. Something tells me that me on video deadlifting 500lb would still not be good enough. So, the over 35’s are mainly powerlifters these days?
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Anyone squatting 500 to competition depth gets respect around here, thats a fact.
[quote]confusion wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
See here’s where you went wrong and came off like a troll.
“Most of us train too much. One visit to the gym a week is probably a good start .”
First of all almost no one would advocate training one day a week, thats juat a fact. Beyond a time restriction theres just no compelling reason to do it. This is pretty much a given regardless of why you train.
Second, most of US are either competitive powerlifters or are chasing strength gains rather than appearance based ones. There are some who bodybuild, and a few others who are riding the line between the two but most of US are more impressed by strength than anything else. Thus training one day a week isn’t just inefficient its downright lazy and unhelpful. So when you say most of US train too much its useless to us, and down right silly.
Jack mentions a 500lb squat because thats something all most all of us consider impressive at some level. Its a goal worth chasing and a measure of some success and you aren’t getting to that level one day a week most likely so again, for US, thats useless.
Now if you only want to train one day a week; knock yourself out.
Now I’m attaching a picture, not my best pic but as you can see I look pretty much like most guys who lift, except I don’t lift for appearance. I bench, I squat, I deadlift and I go the fuck home.
I’f you’d like when I get home I’ll take a picture of my trophies and post those up as well.[/quote]
This x 10000[/quote]
Sarcasm detector is on. This comment is sarcasm. Correct?[/quote]
Sarcasm detector malfunction…do you have warranty?
What he did himself I cannot say. There is plenty on the internet that makes it clear enough what he taught.
I will say this. My method will not work for powerlifting. That requires a different type of training. I get stronger with each workout though.
MattXL,I think I’m starting to get you. You’re pretty funny
I want to squat 500 lbs. before I die and I want to do it at 198. It’s just something I want to do
I respect that.
[quote]confusion wrote:
I’m just gonna throw out a few thoughts and see what happens.
… so why are you contradicting yourself? Troll
read the thread, the 2nd paragraph is a quote. Anything intelligent to add now that you’re here calling me a troll? How’s the training going? Making good progress?
Confusion, I think things got off to a bad start here, but it doesn’t have to be this way. If you get good results from one day a week and this meets your goals, nobody is going to begrudge that. Start a log and participate in that way and I’ll bet money you get some good feedback and support.
I just think few here would advocate one day a week as a strategy for others and you don’t have much of a posting history in this forum. So it is what it is.
Good luck with your training.
Jack
JoeGood, I don’t mind having my ideas challenged,or i sure as hell wouldnt put them on here. But, you’re giving me this lecture about where i went wrong and all. That’s fine,but I’m not sure your pic proves your point. I made some statements and backed them up with a pic. Now, mine proves you can get a back doing what I do. It was taken cold with no pump. Nothing special,but a muscular back regardless.
My shoulders and traps are bigger than yours and probably arms as well,not to mention abs.I’m not even crying the blues about how hard it is for tall guys. So, my ideas about training are wrong? Maybe to you. I do think there are guys who could benefit from this type of training,if they can think outside the box and try something new. Confusion
Ok, I’ll bite. I agree in general with a couple of things you’ve stated but, I’ll rephrase them slightly:
1.) I believe that the average gym-goer would get more out of 2 intense, well-structured full-body routines a week then the typical 5- day body part split routines often employed. If you are busting your ass on heavy deads, squats, ohp and bench with some chins and dips thrown in (obviously not all on same day), you probably shouldn’t have a lot left in the tank to do cable crossovers, tri kick backs and the pec deck.
CAVEATS: this belief doesn’t apply to PED assisted lifters or those who competitively train for powerlifting or bodybuilding comps. This does apply to those who are strength training for GPP purposes or to generally look like they lift which is, I believe, 90% of the lifting population.
2.) While I believe eating high levels of protein are necessary to build significant muscle mass, I’m not totally sold on the 1 gram per lb idea. For much of the last 17 years that I’ve been lifting, I have followed this guideline. However, lately (the last 1.5 years), I’ve been cutting it back somewhat to probably 0.5 to 0.75 gm per lb and have not noticed any change in strength or muscle mass. Whether this is the case because of where I’m at in my training history or because I actually don’t need all that protein, I’m not sure.
I cannot agree with the utility of machines. I’m a minimalist in general so I like the idea of getting in, going all out with barbells and compounds and getting out.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Confusion, I think things got off to a bad start here, but it doesn’t have to be this way. If you get good results from one day a week and this meets your goals, nobody is going to begrudge that. Start a log and participate in that way and I’ll bet money you get some good feedback and support.
I just think few here would advocate one day a week as a strategy for others and you don’t have much of a posting history in this forum. So it is what it is.
Good luck with your training.
Jack
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Thanks Jack, I’ve been on the site for several years now. Just don’t usually give my opinions. Looks like you’re getting good results with your training. keep going hard bro. Confusion
Also, Stuart McRoberts has written and lectured extensively on these ideas. I think Jack’s point to do what works for you and your goals is the most solid advice a lifter can follow. Much of the time that will coincide with the status quo but not always.
CMdad, Thanks. Have you noticed any benefit from creatine? I cant seem to get any results from it
