[quote]trashyandvogue wrote:
heim wrote:
but even i realize that if the animal’s already dead, then might as well eat it.
exactly. that’s the problem.
it wouldn’t be dead if it wasn’t so in demand, would it ?[/quote]
dude your too much, tomorrow when I have some steak im going to eat just a little extra im memory of you.
Sex drive warning to vegetarians and elderly
Balanced diet vital for good health
Elderly and vegetarian men are being warned about the effect of low protein diets on their sex lives in later years.
Researchers say people who do not eat enough protein are at risk of low testosterone levels which can cause a decline in sexual function as well as muscle loss, reduced red blood cells and damage to bones.
People who do not eat meat are particularly at risk, because animal products are good sources of high biological value proteins.
As well as vegetarians and vegans who choose not to eat animal products, the elderly are known to eat less meat because of loss of appetite in later years and difficulty with chewing.
The decrease in bioavailable testosterone can then result in declines in sexual function and red cell mass, and contribute to the loss of bone density
Dr Christopher Longcope
Dr Christopher Longcope, of the University of Massachusetts medical school, says his latest findings mean the elderly in particular should be counselled about the importance of eating enough protein.
He found that low protein diets lead to increases in sex hormone-binding globulin in older men, which reduces the availability of testosterone.
IN RESPONSE TO THE POSTER’S QUESTIONS OF WHAT HE SHOULD EAT, WHAT EXERCISES HE SHOULD DO, AND IF HE SHOULD RUN.
I think it’s safe to suggest that you need to go on an emergency anabolic diet. To keep it simple don’t count macronutrients and don’t make up your own strict diet. Just consume at least 4000 calories a day. That’s a lot of food. Basically, just eat 4-5 large meals a day and make sure that after every meal you really feel stuffed to the gills. Eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. Eat 1-2 servings of fruits or vegetables with each of your 4-5 meals. Don’t bother counting veggies and fruits into your caloric intake. They’re now in your diet just for vitamins, fiber, and your overall well being. In each of these meals you should also eat at least 1 carb serving and at least 1 protein serving. When I say serving of meat you might think 4oz. Start thinking 8oz…at least. Some good sources of protein are…
-Flank Steak and other cheap, lean beef
-Chicken
-Eggs and Egg whites (have 3 whites and 2 wholes)
-Fish (all kinds. Just eat some)
-Skim Milk
-Peanut Butter
-Metabolic Drive Brand Protein Powder
-Beans, Eggplants, hearty vegetables
-A full 12-rack of ribs
Some good carb sources are
-not refined sugars or simple carbohydrates
-OATMEAL
-healthy hippie cereals
-Whole Grain Anything
-Corn
-Honey
-Brown Rice
-Whole Grain Pastas
-Potatoes
-Homemade Pizza
-Homemade Bread
NOW FOR EXERCISES
There are a ton of programs on this site. Since you’re a beginner you’ll have to start with comparatively low volume. Allow a muscle group 48 hours of rest before you work it again.
But since you’re a beginner anything will get you big “newbie gains.” So, hell, do this workout on Mon/Wed/Fri
Squats 1 X 12 reps
Glute-Ham Raise 1 X 15 reps
Weighted Dips 1 X 8 reps
Weighted Pull-ups 1 X 8 reps
When you get stronger you can add more sets, more weight, and more reps. Eventually you can add more exercises and start doing a split routine but for now just experiment in the beginning until you find a weight that allows you to perform the prescribed amount of reps when you’re working with an intensity that is equal to the intensity you should have if someone is holding a gun to your head and demanding that you do one more rep.
Running won’t help you put on muscle unless you’re training to become a sprinter. Do you do any sports? If you don’t have any sport-specific goals and you just want to get huge then hold off on the cardio for now.
Anyone who cant see that this is a troll job needs mental help. This dude is pressing ALL the right buttons…
1 - Skinny as hell and wanting to cut
2 - Posting pictures of boys with less bodyweight than 80% of women roaming around.
3 - Vegetarian
4 - This was his first post
5 - Telling us eating meat is not healthy
Come on people, even those new to internet forums should be able to spot this one. And if the poster is serious…
You may wanna try the velocity diet 
[quote]trashyandvogue wrote:
i think he looks good.
in response to:
BigRagoo wrote:
Wait, that pic is not you, but what you want to look like?
Ok, then don’t eat…ever. Btw, why do you want to look like a sickly little boy?[/quote]
No, he doesn’t. He looks like an underfed queer boy toy. Not impressive at all.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
IN RESPONSE TO THE POSTER’S QUESTIONS OF WHAT HE SHOULD EAT, WHAT EXERCISES HE SHOULD DO, AND IF HE SHOULD RUN.
I think it’s safe to suggest that you need to go on an emergency anabolic diet. To keep it simple don’t count macronutrients and don’t make up your own strict diet. Just consume at least 4000 calories a day. That’s a lot of food. Basically, just eat 4-5 large meals a day and make sure that after every meal you really feel stuffed to the gills. Eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. Eat 1-2 servings of fruits or vegetables with each of your 4-5 meals. Don’t bother counting veggies and fruits into your caloric intake. They’re now in your diet just for vitamins, fiber, and your overall well being. In each of these meals you should also eat at least 1 carb serving and at least 1 protein serving. When I say serving of meat you might think 4oz. Start thinking 8oz…at least. Some good sources of protein are…
-Flank Steak and other cheap, lean beef
-Chicken
-Eggs and Egg whites (have 3 whites and 2 wholes)
-Fish (all kinds. Just eat some)
-Skim Milk
-Peanut Butter
-Metabolic Drive Brand Protein Powder
-Beans, Eggplants, hearty vegetables
-A full 12-rack of ribs
Some good carb sources are
-not refined sugars or simple carbohydrates
-OATMEAL
-healthy hippie cereals
-Whole Grain Anything
-Corn
-Honey
-Brown Rice
-Whole Grain Pastas
-Potatoes
-Homemade Pizza
-Homemade Bread
NOW FOR EXERCISES
There are a ton of programs on this site. Since you’re a beginner you’ll have to start with comparatively low volume. Allow a muscle group 48 hours of rest before you work it again.
But since you’re a beginner anything will get you big “newbie gains.” So, hell, do this workout on Mon/Wed/Fri
Squats 1 X 12 reps
Glute-Ham Raise 1 X 15 reps
Weighted Dips 1 X 8 reps
Weighted Pull-ups 1 X 8 reps
When you get stronger you can add more sets, more weight, and more reps. Eventually you can add more exercises and start doing a split routine but for now just experiment in the beginning until you find a weight that allows you to perform the prescribed amount of reps when you’re working with an intensity that is equal to the intensity you should have if someone is holding a gun to your head and demanding that you do one more rep.
Running won’t help you put on muscle unless you’re training to become a sprinter. Do you do any sports? If you don’t have any sport-specific goals and you just want to get huge then hold off on the cardio for now. [/quote]
thank you.
finally, some one is helpful.
yeah, i play sports. like i mentioned before, i’m going to be doing track. and yes, i’m a sprinter.
i’m also into cross country, swim, and volleyball.
i usually do eat a lot of food.
i add peanut butter to basically everything.
so will doing all of this build muscle and fat ? or just muscle ?
If you think he looks good then that’s your opinion, but I think most of society would think he looks like something that blows around on a windy day.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Anyone who cant see that this is a troll job needs mental help. This dude is pressing ALL the right buttons…
1 - Skinny as hell and wanting to cut
2 - Posting pictures of boys with less bodyweight than 80% of women roaming around.
3 - Vegetarian
4 - This was his first post
5 - Telling us eating meat is not healthy
Come on people, even those new to internet forums should be able to spot this one. And if the poster is serious…
You may wanna try the velocity diet :-)[/quote]
-sigh- you’re stubborn
and this velocity diet.
i googled it and it led me to a T-Nation article.
this is for like obese people 
i want to add muscle and lose fat.
[quote]trashyandvogue wrote:
derek wrote:
trashyandvogue wrote:
i’m a vegetarian for ethical reasons. i’m not even going to discuss it further. eating an innocent animal is out of the question.
The only vegetarians I know look like shit and feel like shit. Talk to any reformed vegan and you’ll see.
Oh, by the way.
http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_4347580
Kenneth Williams is a vegan bodybuilder.
I don’t think that he is a prime example of your ridiculously gross generalization.
: p[/quote]
Kenneth Williams apparently used to eat a normal bodybuilding diet, got big, stopped eating meat, and maintained his physique with exercise, steroids, high-protein diets, and awesome genetics. And with all that he doesn’t even look like a competitive bodybuilder. The only way you can be a vegan and look like him is if you’re a big black guy with great genetics who eats like a normal bodybuilder for his entire life and replaces meatloaf with wheatloaf once you hit your prime.
DID YOU SERIOUSLY COMPARE EATING WHOLE APPLES TO EATING MEAT? The reason homosapien IIs have their large brains is because they developed fishing techniques long ago in Africa that allowed them go get the necessary protein in their diet to grow that grey matter. I could go on and on about the rational reasons why eating meat is good for humans but I’ll just tell you to shut up and finish high school before you start pretending you’re a certified nutritionist.
AND BESIDES…bodybuilding IS NOT a very natural activity. Look at the tribes in Australia and Africa that still live like natural nomads (who eat meat). They don’t look a damn thing like bodybuilders. Part of bodybuilding is consuming an unnatural surplus of calories and getting a ton of sleep. If you want to get more muscle on your frame, you’re gonna need to eat other creatures muscle tissue.
[quote]PF_88 wrote:
If you think he looks good then that’s your opinion, but I think most of society would think he looks like something that blows around on a windy day.[/quote]
i think he looks fine
( the one on the right)
[quote]trashyandvogue wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
IN RESPONSE TO THE POSTER’S QUESTIONS OF WHAT HE SHOULD EAT, WHAT EXERCISES HE SHOULD DO, AND IF HE SHOULD RUN.
I think it’s safe to suggest that you need to go on an emergency anabolic diet. To keep it simple don’t count macronutrients and don’t make up your own strict diet. Just consume at least 4000 calories a day. That’s a lot of food. Basically, just eat 4-5 large meals a day and make sure that after every meal you really feel stuffed to the gills. Eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. Eat 1-2 servings of fruits or vegetables with each of your 4-5 meals. Don’t bother counting veggies and fruits into your caloric intake. They’re now in your diet just for vitamins, fiber, and your overall well being. In each of these meals you should also eat at least 1 carb serving and at least 1 protein serving. When I say serving of meat you might think 4oz. Start thinking 8oz…at least. Some good sources of protein are…
-Flank Steak and other cheap, lean beef
-Chicken
-Eggs and Egg whites (have 3 whites and 2 wholes)
-Fish (all kinds. Just eat some)
-Skim Milk
-Peanut Butter
-Metabolic Drive Brand Protein Powder
-Beans, Eggplants, hearty vegetables
-A full 12-rack of ribs
Some good carb sources are
-not refined sugars or simple carbohydrates
-OATMEAL
-healthy hippie cereals
-Whole Grain Anything
-Corn
-Honey
-Brown Rice
-Whole Grain Pastas
-Potatoes
-Homemade Pizza
-Homemade Bread
NOW FOR EXERCISES
There are a ton of programs on this site. Since you’re a beginner you’ll have to start with comparatively low volume. Allow a muscle group 48 hours of rest before you work it again.
But since you’re a beginner anything will get you big “newbie gains.” So, hell, do this workout on Mon/Wed/Fri
Squats 1 X 12 reps
Glute-Ham Raise 1 X 15 reps
Weighted Dips 1 X 8 reps
Weighted Pull-ups 1 X 8 reps
When you get stronger you can add more sets, more weight, and more reps. Eventually you can add more exercises and start doing a split routine but for now just experiment in the beginning until you find a weight that allows you to perform the prescribed amount of reps when you’re working with an intensity that is equal to the intensity you should have if someone is holding a gun to your head and demanding that you do one more rep.
Running won’t help you put on muscle unless you’re training to become a sprinter. Do you do any sports? If you don’t have any sport-specific goals and you just want to get huge then hold off on the cardio for now.
thank you.
finally, some one is helpful.
yeah, i play sports. like i mentioned before, i’m going to be doing track. and yes, i’m a sprinter.
i’m also into cross country, swim, and volleyball.
i usually do eat a lot of food.
i add peanut butter to basically everything.
so will doing all of this build muscle and fat ? or just muscle ?
[/quote]
You play four sports? Competitively? I think you need to lose volleyball and cross-country. Just quit them.
My advice should cause you to build muscle and fat. But chances are, because of your body type, you’re so skinny that whatever fat you gain will be offset by whatever muscle you gain so in the end you will look leaner than you ever did before.
God this is my 3rd lengthy post on here. I’m gonna feel like such a cunt when I find out this is a troll job. I mean, that last comment about gaining fat and muscle just says it all. I almost feel like as much of a dork as the people who sent hate mail to Blizzard Entertainment when they announced the release of a fake patch on April Fool’s day that would give everyone in World of Warcraft only 1 life to live with no respawns. For the record I’m not a big enough of a dork to play that game…just to hear about that.
[quote]trashyandvogue wrote:
PF_88 wrote:
If you think he looks good then that’s your opinion, but I think most of society would think he looks like something that blows around on a windy day.
i think he looks fine
( the one on the right)
http://a392.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/31/l_45aeeee79930d0c8ce3c131ddffdb9b7.jpg[/quote]
Im afraid to click on a link to what will most likely be the official myspace page of NAMBLA.
–JB
Alright. It’s become abundantly clear now. Some jerk has found T-Nation, lurked on the forums, and gotten a bunch of pictures from a gay teenager’s myspace and claimed them as his own identity. I don’t have anything against gay people but whoever is stealing pictures from this poor gay kids myspace is an asshole. I’d say it was funny if it wasn’t victimizing this kid.
[quote]trashyandvogue wrote:
PF_88 wrote:
If you think he looks good then that’s your opinion, but I think most of society would think he looks like something that blows around on a windy day.
i think he looks fine
( the one on the right)
[/quote]
Why don’t you just come out and say it “How can I look fabulously gay?” We know that’s your intent.
I didn’t need to see those pics, but hey if you think he looks good then that’s ur choice.
Am I the only one who started gouging at his/her eyes at the first picture in this thread?
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
trashyandvogue wrote:
derek wrote:
trashyandvogue wrote:
i’m a vegetarian for ethical reasons. i’m not even going to discuss it further. eating an innocent animal is out of the question.
The only vegetarians I know look like shit and feel like shit. Talk to any reformed vegan and you’ll see.
Oh, by the way.
http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_4347580
Kenneth Williams is a vegan bodybuilder.
I don’t think that he is a prime example of your ridiculously gross generalization.
: p
Kenneth Williams apparently used to eat a normal bodybuilding diet, got big, stopped eating meat, and maintained his physique with exercise, steroids, high-protein diets, and awesome genetics. And with all that he doesn’t even look like a competitive bodybuilder. The only way you can be a vegan and look like him is if you’re a big black guy with great genetics who eats like a normal bodybuilder for his entire life and replaces meatloaf with wheatloaf once you hit your prime.
DID YOU SERIOUSLY COMPARE EATING WHOLE APPLES TO EATING MEAT? The reason homosapien IIs have their large brains is because they developed fishing techniques long ago in Africa that allowed them go get the necessary protein in their diet to grow that grey matter. I could go on and on about the rational reasons why eating meat is good for humans but I’ll just tell you to shut up and finish high school before you start pretending you’re a certified nutritionist.
AND BESIDES…bodybuilding IS NOT a very natural activity. Look at the tribes in Australia and Africa that still live like natural nomads (who eat meat). They don’t look a damn thing like bodybuilders. Part of bodybuilding is consuming an unnatural surplus of calories and getting a ton of sleep. If you want to get more muscle on your frame, you’re gonna need to eat other creatures muscle tissue. [/quote]
which subspecies is homosapien II ?
[quote]trashyandvogue wrote:
PF_88 wrote:
If you think he looks good then that’s your opinion, but I think most of society would think he looks like something that blows around on a windy day.
i think he looks fine
( the one on the right)
[/quote]
Here’s some material for the OP to study.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=556042
This is an example of looking fine.
The stupidity of some people on this site is mind blowing.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
trashyandvogue wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
IN RESPONSE TO THE POSTER’S QUESTIONS OF WHAT HE SHOULD EAT, WHAT EXERCISES HE SHOULD DO, AND IF HE SHOULD RUN.
I think it’s safe to suggest that you need to go on an emergency anabolic diet. To keep it simple don’t count macronutrients and don’t make up your own strict diet. Just consume at least 4000 calories a day. That’s a lot of food. Basically, just eat 4-5 large meals a day and make sure that after every meal you really feel stuffed to the gills. Eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. Eat 1-2 servings of fruits or vegetables with each of your 4-5 meals. Don’t bother counting veggies and fruits into your caloric intake. They’re now in your diet just for vitamins, fiber, and your overall well being. In each of these meals you should also eat at least 1 carb serving and at least 1 protein serving. When I say serving of meat you might think 4oz. Start thinking 8oz…at least. Some good sources of protein are…
-Flank Steak and other cheap, lean beef
-Chicken
-Eggs and Egg whites (have 3 whites and 2 wholes)
-Fish (all kinds. Just eat some)
-Skim Milk
-Peanut Butter
-Metabolic Drive Brand Protein Powder
-Beans, Eggplants, hearty vegetables
-A full 12-rack of ribs
Some good carb sources are
-not refined sugars or simple carbohydrates
-OATMEAL
-healthy hippie cereals
-Whole Grain Anything
-Corn
-Honey
-Brown Rice
-Whole Grain Pastas
-Potatoes
-Homemade Pizza
-Homemade Bread
NOW FOR EXERCISES
There are a ton of programs on this site. Since you’re a beginner you’ll have to start with comparatively low volume. Allow a muscle group 48 hours of rest before you work it again.
But since you’re a beginner anything will get you big “newbie gains.” So, hell, do this workout on Mon/Wed/Fri
Squats 1 X 12 reps
Glute-Ham Raise 1 X 15 reps
Weighted Dips 1 X 8 reps
Weighted Pull-ups 1 X 8 reps
When you get stronger you can add more sets, more weight, and more reps. Eventually you can add more exercises and start doing a split routine but for now just experiment in the beginning until you find a weight that allows you to perform the prescribed amount of reps when you’re working with an intensity that is equal to the intensity you should have if someone is holding a gun to your head and demanding that you do one more rep.
Running won’t help you put on muscle unless you’re training to become a sprinter. Do you do any sports? If you don’t have any sport-specific goals and you just want to get huge then hold off on the cardio for now.
thank you.
finally, some one is helpful.
yeah, i play sports. like i mentioned before, i’m going to be doing track. and yes, i’m a sprinter.
i’m also into cross country, swim, and volleyball.
i usually do eat a lot of food.
i add peanut butter to basically everything.
so will doing all of this build muscle and fat ? or just muscle ?
You play four sports? Competitively? I think you need to lose volleyball and cross-country. Just quit them.
My advice should cause you to build muscle and fat. But chances are, because of your body type, you’re so skinny that whatever fat you gain will be offset by whatever muscle you gain so in the end you will look leaner than you ever did before.
God this is my 3rd lengthy post on here. I’m gonna feel like such a cunt when I find out this is a troll job. I mean, that last comment about gaining fat and muscle just says it all. I almost feel like as much of a dork as the people who sent hate mail to Blizzard Entertainment when they announced the release of a fake patch on April Fool’s day that would give everyone in World of Warcraft only 1 life to live with no respawns. For the record I’m not a big enough of a dork to play that game…just to hear about that. [/quote]
and yep. volleyball and track is in fall. cross country is in winter. i did swim last year, that was in spring.
no. i seriously have NO idea about any of this stuff.
next year, i’m only doing track, i think. i don’t know.
so what you’re saying is that i won’t get fat and buff like these other guys ? i’ll stay thin and just tone up like the picture i posted ?