Kai is the Arnold of this time’s bodybuilders. He’s bringing in charisma and an aura that doesn’t have anything to do with bodybuilding, but by force of his personality en extravagance he enriches it. Up on that stage there was only Kai.
[quote]anonym wrote:
Kai doing his act solo.[/quote]
ROfl i fucken love the skipping he does it in it LOL that shit is funny.
[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
BTW Kai looks like a complete monster there, I don’t know what’s his offseason weight right now but DAMN.[/quote]
DAM THAT was cool seeing Ronnie and Jay on the stage together. Somebody needs to do a like a training video of those 2 together like MD has with Victor martinez and Kai. I would love to hear the stories or banter between those 2 from when Ronnie was competing. GET TO IT MD GOGOGO
Heath’s arms still look more impressive even if they aren’t quite as big. Kai’s legs are no joke!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
looks like a luchador mask to me.[/quote]
It is. It seems most here have more experience with S&M than they do Mexican wrestling.[/quote]
There’s a difference?
[quote]Matsa wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
looks like a luchador mask to me.[/quote]
It is. It seems most here have more experience with S&M than they do Mexican wrestling.[/quote]
There’s a difference?[/quote]
Am I the only one in America who caught that cartoon about Mexican wrestler kids who were all being trained to be these guys…so they came from a society where everyone wore a mask like this?
I guess so. The cartoon sucked, but I sure as hell know the difference now.
Mucha Lucha…just so people don’t think I’m crazy. I think this shit aired for about 2 years and would see bits while channel surfing.
It used to catch my attention because it was one of the first shows I had seen on American tv networks that combined English and Spanish in one episode as if we all lived in Miami.
lol lucha something? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it on in the background before.
The shorts Kai is wearing in that last picture posted, that’s what I think people should be wearing for competition.
re: Kai
Let’s take genetics and conditioning out of this for a moment. I mean, to be a pro-BB at that level, you’re pretty much equal with your ‘colleagues’ at that moment in the physical department. Given that there is some level of expectation when standing on a stage with Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Branch Warren, etc. etc. – the people who stand out amongst millions, how do you stand out??
With among 10 or so of the world’s most genetically gifted (and hardworking) humans on the Earth at the time, my eye kept going to Kai. Why? His routines and stage presence are brilliant. Brilliant.
Just in terms of sheer presentation of the body to an audience be it spectators, judges, whoever, Kai is exceptionally exceptional in every aspect.
The guy went on stage with a luchador mask. Brilliant! No matter what, the spectators and judges will keep their eyes on him. After it’s all over and they’re talking about this and that, their mind’s eye will visualize a Kai Greene pose in a mask.
Maybe it’s his artistic background (the fact that he’s wired artistically) and understands the art of human presentation at a deeper level, but his routines are all memorable amongst other mass monsters.
Further, Kai understands this: “With great risk comes great reward”.
His routines are very risky. They could cross a line and be remembered as ridiculous or even overshadow the work he’s put into his body. I think the vast majority of the time, they actually do what they’re designed to do and accentuate and present the body to the audience-- that’s not by accident. Ask yourself “Who on that stage took a greater risk than Kai Greene”? Who had the most memorable stage presence and routine?
Personable + Smart + Intuitive + Artistic + BigFuckingMusclesOnABigFuckingDude = Win.
I hear you guys, I just disagree. Obviously he’s doing something right so I don’t expect him to log on here, read my comments and decide to change his style. I just don’t like it.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
Kai is the Arnold of this time’s bodybuilders. He’s bringing in charisma and an aura that doesn’t have anything to do with bodybuilding, but by force of his personality en extravagance he enriches it. Up on that stage there was only Kai.
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Let’s not get crazy, eh?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I hear you guys, I just disagree. Obviously he’s doing something right so I don’t expect him to log on here, read my comments and decide to change his style. I just don’t like it.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
Kai is the Arnold of this time’s bodybuilders. He’s bringing in charisma and an aura that doesn’t have anything to do with bodybuilding, but by force of his personality en extravagance he enriches it. Up on that stage there was only Kai.
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Let’s not get crazy, eh?[/quote]
IT is pretty much undeniable that his actions cause even more talk about him than being a 300lbs ripped human does. It is also pretty clear to me that the man puts MUCH thought into his routines even if a little over the top…because as the other poster wrote, he does seem to scale it back right at the point where it would turn into something obnoxious.
It’s different, looks strange and he looked a little crazy doing some of this shit when he first started…but I think most people have heard hims speak enough to know a little how his mind works at this point and insanity doesn’t seem to be the driving force.
I am ok with it because this “sport” needed something. Whether that something is a 300lb’er in face paint and wigs who can dance better than some guys on Hip Hop videos, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
At this point though, I’m betting on Kai.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I hear you guys, I just disagree. Obviously he’s doing something right so I don’t expect him to log on here, read my comments and decide to change his style. I just don’t like it.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
Kai is the Arnold of this time’s bodybuilders. He’s bringing in charisma and an aura that doesn’t have anything to do with bodybuilding, but by force of his personality en extravagance he enriches it. Up on that stage there was only Kai.
[/quote]
Let’s not get crazy, eh?[/quote]
Arnold didn’t win because he had the best physique bar none at every show he attended ( 1980, anyone?)but he WAS win. He brought a star-quality and charisma that before was unseen except for films and musical stars. kai does the same, he brings showmanship from several arenas into what has been a freakshow lately. Kai understands that, but he also understands that people aren’t satisfied with 300 pound monsters posing anymore, they want 300 pound monsters giving them a show, something we have gotten all too used to in the consumerist society we live in. Few appreciate the work and dedication, they just see a huge guy and go ‘gosh golly, look at him! WOW!Crazy! CWAAAZY!’ then forgets. Kai creates discussion, polarizes opinions, has everything lined up to be the greatest, or remembered as a misunderstood bodybuilder who should have gone all the way but didn’t.
Holy fuck,these videos motivate the shit out of me…I’m just back from the gym and I wanna go a train again…These guys are just AMAZING…
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I hear you guys, I just disagree. Obviously he’s doing something right so I don’t expect him to log on here, read my comments and decide to change his style. I just don’t like it.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
Kai is the Arnold of this time’s bodybuilders. He’s bringing in charisma and an aura that doesn’t have anything to do with bodybuilding, but by force of his personality en extravagance he enriches it. Up on that stage there was only Kai.
[/quote]
Let’s not get crazy, eh?[/quote]
Arnold didn’t win because he had the best physique bar none at every show he attended ( 1980, anyone?)but he WAS win. He brought a star-quality and charisma that before was unseen except for films and musical stars. kai does the same, he brings showmanship from several arenas into what has been a freakshow lately. Kai understands that, but he also understands that people aren’t satisfied with 300 pound monsters posing anymore, they want 300 pound monsters giving them a show, something we have gotten all too used to in the consumerist society we live in. Few appreciate the work and dedication, they just see a huge guy and go ‘gosh golly, look at him! WOW!Crazy! CWAAAZY!’ then forgets. Kai creates discussion, polarizes opinions, has everything lined up to be the greatest, or remembered as a misunderstood bodybuilder who should have gone all the way but didn’t.
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Considering Kai does have one of the best physiques in the game, if he’s the Arnold of our generation than why doesn’t he have multiple Olympia titles under his belt?
Listen, Kai is just becoming a successful bodybuilder, I’m not saying he won’t win multiple O titles, but he has to DO IT before people start making claims about him being the new Arnold, the new Ronnie, the greatest of all time, etc.
(I think I had this same discussion with cyruseven)
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I hear you guys, I just disagree. Obviously he’s doing something right so I don’t expect him to log on here, read my comments and decide to change his style. I just don’t like it.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
Kai is the Arnold of this time’s bodybuilders. He’s bringing in charisma and an aura that doesn’t have anything to do with bodybuilding, but by force of his personality en extravagance he enriches it. Up on that stage there was only Kai.
[/quote]
Let’s not get crazy, eh?[/quote]
Arnold didn’t win because he had the best physique bar none at every show he attended ( 1980, anyone?)but he WAS win. He brought a star-quality and charisma that before was unseen except for films and musical stars. kai does the same, he brings showmanship from several arenas into what has been a freakshow lately. Kai understands that, but he also understands that people aren’t satisfied with 300 pound monsters posing anymore, they want 300 pound monsters giving them a show, something we have gotten all too used to in the consumerist society we live in. Few appreciate the work and dedication, they just see a huge guy and go ‘gosh golly, look at him! WOW!Crazy! CWAAAZY!’ then forgets. Kai creates discussion, polarizes opinions, has everything lined up to be the greatest, or remembered as a misunderstood bodybuilder who should have gone all the way but didn’t.
[/quote]
Considering Kai does have one of the best physiques in the game, if he’s the Arnold of our generation than why doesn’t he have multiple Olympia titles under his belt?
Listen, Kai is just becoming a successful bodybuilder, I’m not saying he won’t win multiple O titles, but he has to DO IT before people start making claims about him being the new Arnold, the new Ronnie, the greatest of all time, etc.
(I think I had this same discussion with cyruseven)[/quote]
Are you being serious with this? Without Weider, you wouldn’t even know who the fuck Schwarzenegger was. Weider is why he won so much. Weider personally MADE HIM a household name.
Therefore, when you ask a question like how he didn’t win, that means you think every win before 1982 was legit?
LO fucking L.
Sergio should have beaten Arnold more than once. He didn’t because of Arnold’s name by that point and Weider himself.
You didn’t know this?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]Amonero wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I hear you guys, I just disagree. Obviously he’s doing something right so I don’t expect him to log on here, read my comments and decide to change his style. I just don’t like it.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
Kai is the Arnold of this time’s bodybuilders. He’s bringing in charisma and an aura that doesn’t have anything to do with bodybuilding, but by force of his personality en extravagance he enriches it. Up on that stage there was only Kai.
[/quote]
Let’s not get crazy, eh?[/quote]
Arnold didn’t win because he had the best physique bar none at every show he attended ( 1980, anyone?)but he WAS win. He brought a star-quality and charisma that before was unseen except for films and musical stars. kai does the same, he brings showmanship from several arenas into what has been a freakshow lately. Kai understands that, but he also understands that people aren’t satisfied with 300 pound monsters posing anymore, they want 300 pound monsters giving them a show, something we have gotten all too used to in the consumerist society we live in. Few appreciate the work and dedication, they just see a huge guy and go ‘gosh golly, look at him! WOW!Crazy! CWAAAZY!’ then forgets. Kai creates discussion, polarizes opinions, has everything lined up to be the greatest, or remembered as a misunderstood bodybuilder who should have gone all the way but didn’t.
[/quote]
Considering Kai does have one of the best physiques in the game, if he’s the Arnold of our generation than why doesn’t he have multiple Olympia titles under his belt?
Listen, Kai is just becoming a successful bodybuilder, I’m not saying he won’t win multiple O titles, but he has to DO IT before people start making claims about him being the new Arnold, the new Ronnie, the greatest of all time, etc.
(I think I had this same discussion with cyruseven)[/quote]
Are you being serious with this? Without Weider, you wouldn’t even know who the fuck Schwarzenegger was. Weider is why he won so much. Weider personally MADE HIM a household name.
Therefore, when you ask a question like how he didn’t win, that means you think every win before 1982 was legit?
LO fucking L.
Sergio should have beaten Arnold more than once. He didn’t because of Arnold’s name by that point and Weider himself.
You didn’t know this?[/quote]
You completely missed my point. Arnold is one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. This is undisputable.
If people are going to make comparison from someone to Arnold, Ronnie, etc. (any of the greatest of all time) than they need to be WINNING Olympias before the comparison even makes sense. It’s like when Trey Brewer first came out everyone said he was the next Mr. O. Seriously?
I’m not saying the best physique always wins the show. But Amonera said Arnold won multiple O’s with his charisma, writing that Kai had similar charisma. Ok, then Kai should be winning the Arnold!
Like I said, I’m not saying Kai won’t do it, but he needs to DO IT FIRST before the comparisons make any sense. Everyone wants to jump the gun.
It comes down to opinion. That of the judges, that of those who want to market a certain person for their own gain… In my opinion, Kai is the best now. Am I an olympia-judge or powerful enough to have a say in who wins or not? Hell no. But it is my opinion that what Kai has exhibited the past years, last Olympia included, is way above what it has been judged as.
Like X said, Sergio should have beat Swarzenegger, but that would mean far less $ in the pocket of Weider and far less marketability. Why do you think Kai switched from MD to Flex?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
You completely missed my point. Arnold is one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time. This is undisputable.[/quote]
BULLSHIT. He isn’t. He is one of the most personable and maybe even one of the most memorable historically, but the greatest bodybuilder? What the fuck?
Flex Wheeler at his best standing next to Arnold would leave Arnold in the dust.
Flex just isn’t a household name.
Arnold is the most popular. Popularity does not mean you actually physically beat everyone else who ever crossed a stage.
Arnold would have a hard time even winning an NPC contest today with the competition that is out there.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Ok, then Kai should be winning the Arnold!
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u mean Olympia?