No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
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Whoa Testy, you need to make a new thread before asking questions like that.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
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this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
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this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves[/quote]
That would be called “faith”, sir.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
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this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves[/quote]
That would be called “faith”, sir.[/quote]
ahh, the check mate play lol
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
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No, because I’m shit out of luck either way. So I’d rather just go on feeling right about how I feel on the subject, and find out when the lights go out.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
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Yes, because even hide and seek has a use by date.
No. If I’m to die tonight in my sleep, I’d rather not know.
I will never die!
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
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this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves[/quote]
That would be called “faith”, sir.[/quote]
'zackly.
Those of us with a hard-wired faith have difficulty fathoming such a seemingly silly question.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
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this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves[/quote]
That would be called “faith”, sir.[/quote]
'zackly.
Those of us with a hard-wired faith have difficulty fathoming such a seemingly silly question.[/quote]
“Faith” by definition is not knowing with certainty.
I am not saying that you can’t believe with every fiber in your body, but it is impossible to “know” at this juncture. Even the absence of proof is faith to the atheist. I don’t see that you could ever prove that an all powerful god doesn’t or never existed, but faith doesn’t prove that he does exist either.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
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this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves[/quote]
That would be called “faith”, sir.[/quote]
'zackly.
Those of us with a hard-wired faith have difficulty fathoming such a seemingly silly question.[/quote]
“Faith” by definition is not knowing with certainty.
I am not saying that you can’t believe with every fiber in your body, but it is impossible to “know” at this juncture. Even the absence of proof is faith to the atheist. I don’t see that you could ever prove that an all powerful god doesn’t or never existed, but faith doesn’t prove that he does exist either.
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Faith, by its virtue, contains truths that only the believer would understand.
I never served in the military. I believe war exists (good or bad), but I would never try to have an argument about the experience of it with a veteran.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
[/quote]
this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves[/quote]
That would be called “faith”, sir.[/quote]
'zackly.
Those of us with a hard-wired faith have difficulty fathoming such a seemingly silly question.[/quote]
“Faith” by definition is not knowing with certainty.
I am not saying that you can’t believe with every fiber in your body, but it is impossible to “know” at this juncture. Even the absence of proof is faith to the atheist. I don’t see that you could ever prove that an all powerful god doesn’t or never existed, but faith doesn’t prove that he does exist either.
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Faith, by its virtue, contains truths that only the believer would understand.
I never served in the military. I believe war exists (good or bad), but I would never try to have an argument about the experience of it with a veteran.
[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t believe this works, it is still just faith not an actual fact.
So if you were a believer but no longer are, can you still understand these “truths” that non believers can’t?
Face sitting accident gone wrong
The booty will be too big
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
[/quote]
this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves[/quote]
That would be called “faith”, sir.[/quote]
'zackly.
Those of us with a hard-wired faith have difficulty fathoming such a seemingly silly question.[/quote]
“Faith” by definition is not knowing with certainty.
I am not saying that you can’t believe with every fiber in your body, but it is impossible to “know” at this juncture. Even the absence of proof is faith to the atheist. I don’t see that you could ever prove that an all powerful god doesn’t or never existed, but faith doesn’t prove that he does exist either.
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Faith, by its virtue, contains truths that only the believer would understand.
I never served in the military. I believe war exists (good or bad), but I would never try to have an argument about the experience of it with a veteran.
[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t believe this works, it is still just faith not an actual fact.
So if you were a believer but no longer are, can you still understand these “truths” that non believers can’t?
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Let’s turn this around and back to the original question.
"If you could find out when and how you die, would you want to know? "
Where’s the certainty there? Where’s the facts that prove it?
Everyone here has answered this based on how it would affect their lives.
Faith is the same.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
[/quote]
this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves[/quote]
That would be called “faith”, sir.[/quote]
'zackly.
Those of us with a hard-wired faith have difficulty fathoming such a seemingly silly question.[/quote]
“Faith” by definition is not knowing with certainty.
I am not saying that you can’t believe with every fiber in your body, but it is impossible to “know” at this juncture. Even the absence of proof is faith to the atheist. I don’t see that you could ever prove that an all powerful god doesn’t or never existed, but faith doesn’t prove that he does exist either.
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Faith is a strong belief in something regardless of tangible proof. This is why there are such great promises to believers because that loyalty is recognized since that person had “faith” even when there wasn’t anything to physically see. It requires no faith to believe in something that is right in front of you. Hence: Walk by faith and not by sight.
Debates on the subject could go on forever but we all have free will to choose to believe what we want.
Would I want to know when I was going to die? Nope. You should live each day like it were your last anyhow.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No.
If you could know with certainty whether God was real or not would you want to know?
[/quote]
this would be a no brainer yes for me, since I doubt one exists. It would be nice to know for certain and anyone that says they are certain is lying to you or themselves[/quote]
That would be called “faith”, sir.[/quote]
'zackly.
Those of us with a hard-wired faith have difficulty fathoming such a seemingly silly question.[/quote]
“Faith” by definition is not knowing with certainty.
I am not saying that you can’t believe with every fiber in your body, but it is impossible to “know” at this juncture. Even the absence of proof is faith to the atheist. I don’t see that you could ever prove that an all powerful god doesn’t or never existed, but faith doesn’t prove that he does exist either.
[/quote]
Faith, by its virtue, contains truths that only the believer would understand.
I never served in the military. I believe war exists (good or bad), but I would never try to have an argument about the experience of it with a veteran.
[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t believe this works, it is still just faith not an actual fact.
So if you were a believer but no longer are, can you still understand these “truths” that non believers can’t?
[/quote]
Let’s turn this around and back to the original question.
"If you could find out when and how you die, would you want to know? "
Where’s the certainty there? Where’s the facts that prove it?
Everyone here has answered this based on how it would affect their lives.
Faith is the same.
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I already answered no to the original question. I think it would be a horrible thing to know, with consequences we may not even be able to fathom.
As far as the certainty in knowing, he didn’t suggest a method, just if you would want to know.
No trying to be difficult, but I don’t understand your “Faith is the same” statement. Could you please clarify? Faith is the same based on how it would effect your life?
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
I already answered no to the original question. I think it would be a horrible thing to know, with consequences we may not even be able to fathom.
As far as the certainty in knowing, he didn’t suggest a method, just if you would want to know.[/quote]
No. He did ask how and when.
[quote]No trying to be difficult, but I don’t understand your “Faith is the same” statement. Could you please clarify? Faith is the same based on how it would effect your life?
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I meant, as many here would take that knowledge as truth, they answered accordingly (based on how it would affect their lives). Just as many take the tenets of their faith as knowledge, it subsequently affects their lives. We can’t know the how and when of our own demise. The question was posed based on faith that it was truth. You even answered it as such.
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Would I want to know when I was going to die? Nope. You should live each day like it were your last anyhow.
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I appreciate the spirit behind this sentiment, and of course each day, each moment could very well be our last. However, any type of reasonable existence is based on the assumption that we will be around for a while.
Who honestly goes to work, takes out he garbage, pays their bills or watches what they eat and otherwise tends to those necessary but not-so-sexy details on their last day on earth?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
I already answered no to the original question. I think it would be a horrible thing to know, with consequences we may not even be able to fathom.
As far as the certainty in knowing, he didn’t suggest a method, just if you would want to know.[/quote]
No. He did ask how and when.
[quote]No trying to be difficult, but I don’t understand your “Faith is the same” statement. Could you please clarify? Faith is the same based on how it would effect your life?
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I meant, as many here would take that knowledge as truth, they answered accordingly (based on how it would affect their lives). Just as many take the tenets of their faith as knowledge, it subsequently affects their lives. We can’t know the how and when of our own demise. The question was posed based on faith that it was truth. You even answered it as such.[/quote]
I meant he didn’t state how you would come about this knowledge.
Thanks for the clarification.
I assumed the knowledge of your demise was a hypothetical, as your are correct it is not something you can know with certainty. Like the existence of God.