Why I, BODYBUILDER Isn't as Important as You Think

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
porkpie wrote:
I see what your saying Prof X, but people are just interested in seeing it after the whole ‘black ops’, ‘i gained XX lbs in 6 weeks’ etc ?

And now everyone is being fed lines such as ‘you won’t benefit unless you…’

After all the initial hype there now appears to be a caveat, and i think thats why people are asking questions.

You mean the caveat that people need to work harder than many are willing to get the results?

Exactly. It sounds like people were expecting something you take and instantly become huge…without all of those years of sweating and hard work.

I am guessing quite a few will be sorely disappointed that the goal here is to work EVEN HARDER.

not to dismiss what you’re saying, however with the marketing, it made it sound simple enough. Up to 27 lbs in 6 weeks, forget what the quoted figure was for the average person
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Brutally hard work is simple.

All the figures I saw discussed were the gains of Christian and other bodybuilders. I don’t believe there were any promises as to what the “average” person could/would achieve.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
porkpie wrote:
I see what your saying Prof X, but people are just interested in seeing it after the whole ‘black ops’, ‘i gained XX lbs in 6 weeks’ etc ?

And now everyone is being fed lines such as ‘you won’t benefit unless you…’

After all the initial hype there now appears to be a caveat, and i think thats why people are asking questions.

You mean the caveat that people need to work harder than many are willing to get the results?

Exactly. It sounds like people were expecting something you take and instantly become huge…without all of those years of sweating and hard work.

I am guessing quite a few will be sorely disappointed that the goal here is to work EVEN HARDER.[/quote]

With that said, there are plenty of people (myself included) who are no stranger to hard work and look forward to busting ass even more.

Those who inquire about the program shouldn’t be at fault. We have snippets here and there of how to execute the rep, ramping, auto regulation, programming but there hasn’t been a very cohesive, detailed outline putting everything together. I don’t think any of us “needs” to be spoon-fed explicit directions for growth - clearly, forum members have been getting stronger and more muscular applying concepts from forum posts - but for optimal growth, it would be very helpful.

The intelligent and relentless pursuit of muscle includes “intelligent” for a reason; and I don’t think any of us want to be wasting time misapplying principles of HTH/I, BODYBUILDER at the expense of gains.

Definitely though, continued thanks to CT and other forum members who have shared their experiences with the program/framework.

Prof X,

Perhaps you could share some of your insights from your visit about HTH? Some practical instruction on perfect rep (for various exercises) or general HTH style programming that would help “hold over” some of the people here who can’t wait for Ibodybuilder to come out? Much appreciated.

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[quote]HK24719 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
porkpie wrote:
I see what your saying Prof X, but people are just interested in seeing it after the whole ‘black ops’, ‘i gained XX lbs in 6 weeks’ etc ?

And now everyone is being fed lines such as ‘you won’t benefit unless you…’

After all the initial hype there now appears to be a caveat, and i think thats why people are asking questions.

You mean the caveat that people need to work harder than many are willing to get the results?

Exactly. It sounds like people were expecting something you take and instantly become huge…without all of those years of sweating and hard work.

I am guessing quite a few will be sorely disappointed that the goal here is to work EVEN HARDER.

not to dismiss what you’re saying, however with the marketing, it made it sound simple enough. Up to 27 lbs in 6 weeks, forget what the quoted figure was for the average person

Brutally hard work is simple.

All the figures I saw discussed were the gains of Christian and other bodybuilders. I don’t believe there were any promises as to what the “average” person could/would achieve.
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in the article TC clearly stated what the average person could expect, I forget the figure

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[quote]-Sigil- wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
porkpie wrote:
I see what your saying Prof X, but people are just interested in seeing it after the whole ‘black ops’, ‘i gained XX lbs in 6 weeks’ etc ?

And now everyone is being fed lines such as ‘you won’t benefit unless you…’

After all the initial hype there now appears to be a caveat, and i think thats why people are asking questions.

You mean the caveat that people need to work harder than many are willing to get the results?

Exactly. It sounds like people were expecting something you take and instantly become huge…without all of those years of sweating and hard work.

I am guessing quite a few will be sorely disappointed that the goal here is to work EVEN HARDER.

With that said, there are plenty of people (myself included) who are no stranger to hard work and look forward to busting ass even more.

Those who inquire about the program shouldn’t be at fault. We have snippets here and there of how to execute the rep, ramping, auto regulation, programming but there hasn’t been a very cohesive, detailed outline putting everything together. I don’t think any of us “needs” to be spoon-fed explicit directions for growth - clearly, forum members have been getting stronger and more muscular applying concepts from forum posts - but for optimal growth, it would be very helpful.

The intelligent and relentless pursuit of muscle includes “intelligent” for a reason; and I don’t think any of us want to be wasting time misapplying principles of HTH/I, BODYBUILDER at the expense of gains.

Definitely though, continued thanks to CT and other forum members who have shared their experiences with the program/framework.

Prof X,

Perhaps you could share some of your insights from your visit about HTH? Some practical instruction on perfect rep (for various exercises) or general HTH style programming that would help “hold over” some of the people here who can’t wait for Ibodybuilder to come out? Much appreciated.
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That’s exactly what I had said awhile back. I just want to see the ‘program’ with all of the techniques together in one place. Very few people have time to go through dozens of threads and page after page in each thread to piece this all together.

And yes, there was a mention about how much weight the “average” trainer could make although I don’t remember the specific number either.

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from page 4 of the I, BODYBUILDER article on the homepage:

"Specifically, from using these methods, we expect the average lifter to gain about 20 pounds of muscle from his first 15-week program â?? hopefully more â?? and keep all of it.

also:

"Anyway, like I said, that average guy should expect to gain about 20 pounds of muscle within the first 12 to 15 weeks of using our methods.

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[quote]kg wrote:
from page 4 of the I, BODYBUILDER article on the homepage:

"Specifically, from using these methods, we expect the average lifter to gain about 20 pounds of muscle from his first 15-week program â?? hopefully more â?? and keep all of it.

also:

"Anyway, like I said, that average guy should expect to gain about 20 pounds of muscle within the first 12 to 15 weeks of using our methods.[/quote]

I stand corrected.

With as much as I respect CT, this has me looking forward to following the program more than I already was.

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[quote]HK24719 wrote:
kg wrote:
from page 4 of the I, BODYBUILDER article on the homepage:

"Specifically, from using these methods, we expect the average lifter to gain about 20 pounds of muscle from his first 15-week program �¢?? hopefully more �¢?? and keep all of it.

also:

"Anyway, like I said, that average guy should expect to gain about 20 pounds of muscle within the first 12 to 15 weeks of using our methods.

I stand corrected.

With as much as I respect CT, this has me looking forward to following the program more than I already was.

[/quote]

that’s why there are a lot of eager people waiting to try this. I don’t get all the back lash from people saying otherwise. After all, people always say why not follow what’s optimal

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[quote]kg wrote:
from page 4 of the I, BODYBUILDER article on the homepage:

"Specifically, from using these methods, we expect the average lifter to gain about 20 pounds of muscle from his first 15-week program â?? hopefully more â?? and keep all of it.

also:

"Anyway, like I said, that average guy should expect to gain about 20 pounds of muscle within the first 12 to 15 weeks of using our methods.[/quote]

Biotest cant have it both ways on this one i’m afraid, you don’t get to make huge claims and hype and then bitch about people being eager to have it and asking about it all the time.

They’ve been talking about some of this stuff for 3 fuckin years. Originally it was going to put MAG-10 to shame.

And full credit to them for brining X, Stu etc out to Biotest etc to trial all this stuff but if you pay for peoples flights, accommodation, free supps etc haven’t you basically just made them paid spokesman?

If they don’t want people talking about all this stuff i can tell you a really really easy way to achieve that…Dont tell people about it.

I just find both sides of this whole thing utterly bizarre at times.

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[quote]-Sigil- wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
porkpie wrote:
I see what your saying Prof X, but people are just interested in seeing it after the whole ‘black ops’, ‘i gained XX lbs in 6 weeks’ etc ?

And now everyone is being fed lines such as ‘you won’t benefit unless you…’

After all the initial hype there now appears to be a caveat, and i think thats why people are asking questions.

You mean the caveat that people need to work harder than many are willing to get the results?

Exactly. It sounds like people were expecting something you take and instantly become huge…without all of those years of sweating and hard work.

I am guessing quite a few will be sorely disappointed that the goal here is to work EVEN HARDER.

With that said, there are plenty of people (myself included) who are no stranger to hard work and look forward to busting ass even more.

Those who inquire about the program shouldn’t be at fault. We have snippets here and there of how to execute the rep, ramping, auto regulation, programming but there hasn’t been a very cohesive, detailed outline putting everything together. I don’t think any of us “needs” to be spoon-fed explicit directions for growth - clearly, forum members have been getting stronger and more muscular applying concepts from forum posts - but for optimal growth, it would be very helpful.

The intelligent and relentless pursuit of muscle includes “intelligent” for a reason; and I don’t think any of us want to be wasting time misapplying principles of HTH/I, BODYBUILDER at the expense of gains.

Definitely though, continued thanks to CT and other forum members who have shared their experiences with the program/framework.

Prof X,

Perhaps you could share some of your insights from your visit about HTH? Some practical instruction on perfect rep (for various exercises) or general HTH style programming that would help “hold over” some of the people here who can’t wait for Ibodybuilder to come out? Much appreciated.
[/quote]

I think you are assuming quite a few things here. First, I don’t even follow most of these threads and have no idea what “HTH” is. Going to Colorado and meeting CT resulted in him agreeing that what I was already doing naturally was pretty much what he was trying to get across to other people. That means even though I might not have been using catch phrases or cool terms like “the perfect rep” over the last NINE YEARS or so on this site, this stuff has been discussed in extreme detail over several years.

The only difference is, now people are finally figuring out that we knew what we were talking about.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
-Sigil- wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
porkpie wrote:
I see what your saying Prof X, but people are just interested in seeing it after the whole ‘black ops’, ‘i gained XX lbs in 6 weeks’ etc ?

And now everyone is being fed lines such as ‘you won’t benefit unless you…’

After all the initial hype there now appears to be a caveat, and i think thats why people are asking questions.

You mean the caveat that people need to work harder than many are willing to get the results?

Exactly. It sounds like people were expecting something you take and instantly become huge…without all of those years of sweating and hard work.

I am guessing quite a few will be sorely disappointed that the goal here is to work EVEN HARDER.

With that said, there are plenty of people (myself included) who are no stranger to hard work and look forward to busting ass even more.

Those who inquire about the program shouldn’t be at fault. We have snippets here and there of how to execute the rep, ramping, auto regulation, programming but there hasn’t been a very cohesive, detailed outline putting everything together. I don’t think any of us “needs” to be spoon-fed explicit directions for growth - clearly, forum members have been getting stronger and more muscular applying concepts from forum posts - but for optimal growth, it would be very helpful.

The intelligent and relentless pursuit of muscle includes “intelligent” for a reason; and I don’t think any of us want to be wasting time misapplying principles of HTH/I, BODYBUILDER at the expense of gains.

Definitely though, continued thanks to CT and other forum members who have shared their experiences with the program/framework.

Prof X,

Perhaps you could share some of your insights from your visit about HTH? Some practical instruction on perfect rep (for various exercises) or general HTH style programming that would help “hold over” some of the people here who can’t wait for Ibodybuilder to come out? Much appreciated.

I think you are assuming quite a few things here. First, I don’t even follow most of these threads and have no idea what “HTH” is. Going to Colorado and meeting CT resulted in him agreeing that what I was already doing naturally was pretty much what he was trying to get across to other people. That means even though I might not have been using catch phrases or cool terms like “the perfect rep” over the last NINE YEARS or so on this site, this stuff has been discussed in extreme detail over several years.

The only difference is, now people are finally figuring out that we knew what we were talking about.[/quote]

Okay,you are basically saying TC’s quote in which he says “new” twice is bullshit, and the plan was to rehash old shit and smack it all together in a pretty package with videos and sell supplements.

“To do so would be to potentially miss out on hearing about a new type of nutrition strategy and a new type of “black ops” training that has, without fail, turned test subject after test subject into a monster.”

We trust this site, this is probably the best site for actual legitimate training advice. Yes, I’ve only been training for 4 YEARS, but that’s because I’m not old. Why are you insulting us for our curiosity? Of course you don’t care for the program, you are in the loop. The rest of us are not, and we trust CT and are very interested in anything that he puts together, I mean look at the dude. How are certain we don’t all train hard, this is the internet you aren’t in the gym with me everyday.

Further more, Nate Green apparently wished he new about this “Black Ops” training four years ago. So even some of are major contributors aren’t training right? He looks like his arms are at least 16 inches.

I don’t mean to insult you back Prof. X, you’ve contributed just as much or even more than the people writing articles for this site, but understand we are excited about learning something that is new to us. Weightlifting for football doesn’t exactly include this “new” shit.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
First, I don’t even follow most of these threads and have no idea what “HTH” is. [/quote]

I assume it’s head to head X, have you made modifications to your training?

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[quote]esh2424 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
-Sigil- wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HK24719 wrote:
porkpie wrote:
I see what your saying Prof X, but people are just interested in seeing it after the whole ‘black ops’, ‘i gained XX lbs in 6 weeks’ etc ?

And now everyone is being fed lines such as ‘you won’t benefit unless you…’

After all the initial hype there now appears to be a caveat, and i think thats why people are asking questions.

You mean the caveat that people need to work harder than many are willing to get the results?

Exactly. It sounds like people were expecting something you take and instantly become huge…without all of those years of sweating and hard work.

I am guessing quite a few will be sorely disappointed that the goal here is to work EVEN HARDER.

With that said, there are plenty of people (myself included) who are no stranger to hard work and look forward to busting ass even more.

Those who inquire about the program shouldn’t be at fault. We have snippets here and there of how to execute the rep, ramping, auto regulation, programming but there hasn’t been a very cohesive, detailed outline putting everything together. I don’t think any of us “needs” to be spoon-fed explicit directions for growth - clearly, forum members have been getting stronger and more muscular applying concepts from forum posts - but for optimal growth, it would be very helpful.

The intelligent and relentless pursuit of muscle includes “intelligent” for a reason; and I don’t think any of us want to be wasting time misapplying principles of HTH/I, BODYBUILDER at the expense of gains.

Definitely though, continued thanks to CT and other forum members who have shared their experiences with the program/framework.

Prof X,

Perhaps you could share some of your insights from your visit about HTH? Some practical instruction on perfect rep (for various exercises) or general HTH style programming that would help “hold over” some of the people here who can’t wait for Ibodybuilder to come out? Much appreciated.

I think you are assuming quite a few things here. First, I don’t even follow most of these threads and have no idea what “HTH” is. Going to Colorado and meeting CT resulted in him agreeing that what I was already doing naturally was pretty much what he was trying to get across to other people. That means even though I might not have been using catch phrases or cool terms like “the perfect rep” over the last NINE YEARS or so on this site, this stuff has been discussed in extreme detail over several years.

The only difference is, now people are finally figuring out that we knew what we were talking about.

Okay,you are basically saying TC’s quote in which he says “new” twice is bullshit, and the plan was to rehash old shit and smack it all together in a pretty package with videos and sell supplements.

“To do so would be to potentially miss out on hearing about a new type of nutrition strategy and a new type of “black ops” training that has, without fail, turned test subject after test subject into a monster.”

We trust this site, this is probably the best site for actual legitimate training advice. Yes, I’ve only been training for 4 YEARS, but that’s because I’m not old. Why are you insulting us for our curiosity? Of course you don’t care for the program, you are in the loop. The rest of us are not, and we trust CT and are very interested in anything that he puts together, I mean look at the dude. How are certain we don’t all train hard, this is the internet you aren’t in the gym with me everyday.

Further more, Nate Green apparently wished he new about this “Black Ops” training four years ago. So even some of are major contributors aren’t training right? He looks like his arms are at least 16 inches.

I don’t mean to insult you back Prof. X, you’ve contributed just as much or even more than the people writing articles for this site, but understand we are excited about learning something that is new to us. Weightlifting for football doesn’t exactly include this “new” shit.[/quote]

PX wasn’t shown the workout techniques. As a teacher I know that not everybody will fall in love with the same concepts. I like women with black hair, others prefer blondes! PX has found stuff that works for him and he is comfortable training his way, and does get results. So we decided that it would be a better investment of our time to explain the supplements we use and talk nutrition with him.

For that reason we mostly talked shop, supplements and nutrition.

With Stu, ACTrain, Nate and Kyle we focused more on the training techniques themselves.

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I think a lot of people may be looking for something that’s simpler, concept wise, and not necessarily easier, physically.

Any website or magazine has to keep things fresh making new articles, talking about new techniques, what’s working better than something else, what’s not working so well…and it can lead to ‘paralysis by analysis’.

People start to second guess what they’re doing, even when it’s working, when they read there are better or more efficient ways to do something.

Anyone would like to get results faster and more efficient. I think that’s what a lot of people are looking for when they get interested in the next new routine, article or supplement.

Of course there are going to be people also looking for something simpler and easier, and they most likely won’t get the great results someone with a stronger work ethic will.

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You’ve already got people that are training with ‘less-than-optimal’ strategies, and yet with the addition of better workout nutrition they have started making better gains. Obviously not everyone is willing (or even able) to put the time and effort into totally revamping what they’ve been doing. I think I said it before, but I like to think that I’ve achieved a certain level of development so far, and that’s without what could have been a more effective approach (CT explains things amazingly well). Hopefully the changes I’ve been shown will allow me to continue to progress. But the important thing here is that I’m not sitting on my ass waiting for some magical combination of supplements and training methods that will suddenly cause me to look like Dorian Yates. I’m taking what ever new methods, whether nutritional, or training-wise, and applying them to my own methods (either as a replacement, or as an adjustment). The smart trainers on here are most likely doing the same, not whining about how they don’t have their Anaconda yet, but instead making use of what they can apply. PX obviously has found strategies that have and continue to work for him, but with the adjustment to his nutrition (peri-WO), it sounds like things have just been upped a notch.

I’m sure some people are a little pissy because they were just so antsy waiting on their magic bullet, but with all the hype that was stirred up, I would imagine that Tim wants to live up to what people are expecting, what with his company’s name and Christian’s reputation behind it. (Think about what you would do)

S

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Aren’t the supplements that accompany the I BB program designed to allow you to recover faster so you can work harder, more frequently?

Or am I missing something?

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[quote]Invictica wrote:
Aren’t the supplements that accompany the I BB program designed to allow you to recover faster so you can work harder, more frequently?

Or am I missing something?[/quote]

Yep, that’s a big part of it. Right now I am training 3 times a day.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Invictica wrote:
Aren’t the supplements that accompany the I BB program designed to allow you to recover faster so you can work harder, more frequently?

Or am I missing something?

Yep, that’s a big part of it. Right now I am training 3 times a day.[/quote]

CT,

What is the duration of your training sessions? And what’s a rough estimate of your daily calorie intake (along with protein/fat/carb ratios)?

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[quote]Eric Buratty wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Invictica wrote:
Aren’t the supplements that accompany the I BB program designed to allow you to recover faster so you can work harder, more frequently?

Or am I missing something?

Yep, that’s a big part of it. Right now I am training 3 times a day.

CT,

What is the duration of your training sessions? And what’s a rough estimate of your daily calorie intake (along with protein/fat/carb ratios)?

[/quote]

Each workout is around 30-45 minutes long.

I have no idea of my exact macro ration. But It’s fairly low carbs outside of the peri-workout period. I’d say out of my three meals 1 one them has a significant amount of carbs (100-125g) while the rest is mostly protein and good fats.

I might add one snack per day if hungry. But with three workouts I rarely am because the peri-workout protocol gives me plenty of fuel.

When training 3 times a day, I don’t use the full protocol. Each time I use 2 FINiBARs, for the first workout I use 2 Anaconda and 2 MAG-10, second workout 1 and 1 and last workout 2 and 1.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
You’ve already got people that are training with ‘less-than-optimal’ strategies, and yet with the addition of better workout nutrition they have started making better gains. Obviously not everyone is willing (or even able) to put the time and effort into totally revamping what they’ve been doing. I think I said it before, but I like to think that I’ve achieved a certain level of development so far, and that’s without what could have been a more effective approach (CT explains things amazingly well). Hopefully the changes I’ve been shown will allow me to continue to progress. But the important thing here is that I’m not sitting on my ass waiting for some magical combination of supplements and training methods that will suddenly cause me to look like Dorian Yates. I’m taking what ever new methods, whether nutritional, or training-wise, and applying them to my own methods (either as a replacement, or as an adjustment). The smart trainers on here are most likely doing the same, not whining about how they don’t have their Anaconda yet, but instead making use of what they can apply. PX obviously has found strategies that have and continue to work for him, but with the adjustment to his nutrition (peri-WO), it sounds like things have just been upped a notch.

I’m sure some people are a little pissy because they were just so antsy waiting on their magic bullet, but with all the hype that was stirred up, I would imagine that Tim wants to live up to what people are expecting, what with his company’s name and Christian’s reputation behind it. (Think about what you would do)

S
[/quote]

Of course we are antsy, but why do we all have to be “waiting for a magic bullet.” That’s not it at all as I’ve tried to explain. We are just excited, and we just want to know if the super program is still going to be done because it’s been a long time since they announcement. And don’t act like you didn’t get excited about what you were gonna learn when they called you to come train with them. We should all be excited to learn about more tools to add to our training.

And my thing wanting Anaconda now, is with the amount of crap I’m doing I need more help on the recovery side and if it is even makes the slightest sliver of difference, I want it like crack. Factory work doesn’t quite help when training in the gym and on the track.

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[quote]esh2424 wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
You’ve already got people that are training with ‘less-than-optimal’ strategies, and yet with the addition of better workout nutrition they have started making better gains. Obviously not everyone is willing (or even able) to put the time and effort into totally revamping what they’ve been doing. I think I said it before, but I like to think that I’ve achieved a certain level of development so far, and that’s without what could have been a more effective approach (CT explains things amazingly well). Hopefully the changes I’ve been shown will allow me to continue to progress. But the important thing here is that I’m not sitting on my ass waiting for some magical combination of supplements and training methods that will suddenly cause me to look like Dorian Yates. I’m taking what ever new methods, whether nutritional, or training-wise, and applying them to my own methods (either as a replacement, or as an adjustment). The smart trainers on here are most likely doing the same, not whining about how they don’t have their Anaconda yet, but instead making use of what they can apply. PX obviously has found strategies that have and continue to work for him, but with the adjustment to his nutrition (peri-WO), it sounds like things have just been upped a notch.

I’m sure some people are a little pissy because they were just so antsy waiting on their magic bullet, but with all the hype that was stirred up, I would imagine that Tim wants to live up to what people are expecting, what with his company’s name and Christian’s reputation behind it. (Think about what you would do)

S

Of course we are antsy, but why do we all have to be “waiting for a magic bullet.” That’s not it at all as I’ve tried to explain. We are just excited, and we just want to know if the super program is still going to be done because it’s been a long time since they announcement. And don’t act like you didn’t get excited about what you were gonna learn when they called you to come train with them. We should all be excited to learn about more tools to add to our training.

And my thing wanting Anaconda now, is with the amount of crap I’m doing I need more help on the recovery side and if it is even makes the slightest sliver of difference, I want it like crack. Factory work doesn’t quite help when training in the gym and on the track.

[/quote]

Exactly, when a company makes the claims that they did with I,Bodybuilder, of course its gonna pique everyone’s interest. I’m hell of excited for this info and supplements to come out and just cause I’m not a member of T-Cell Alpha doesn’t mean I’m “waiting for a magic bullet” or not gonna work out til Anaconda comes out, or a newbie who has no clue how to deadlift properly. 0h, I’m sure there are plenty of guys like that and thats why the veterens on this site make these broad generalizations, so no knock on them, but I personally know how effective the older Surge Recovery have enhanced my 8 years of training.

So when I see what this style of training did to a pro who trains others for a living like Christian, of course it has me hooked like crack. I check this site several times a day to see if its come out yet. Sad? Very, but those claims by people I trust on the I, Bodybuilder article would have me excited even if I was Ronnie Coleman.