Why Do You Hate Crossfit?

Iron_Dwarf · July 24, 2009, 6:53pm

I have nothing against it. Why should I? I’m bodybuilding, they’re not. So what.

I have a good friend in the Army who served (flying copters) in Iraq and Afghanistan, and he’s into Crossfit. He also happens to be the fittest person I know personally.

TO each his own.

debraD · July 24, 2009, 6:54pm

[quote]mmllcc wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
mmllcc wrote:

Yes, this is about right for me. I never gained much mass doing body building protocols. When I started doing Crosfit; I didn’t gain either but I did get stronger and faster in many respects. Then I started eating more and I gained 30 pounds in 6 months.

So you’re really going to go with crossfit as a better hypertrophy program because ONCE YOU ACTUALLY STARTED EATING FOOD you gained weight, and were doing crossfit at that time? But you didn’t gain muscle doing a more traditional BB type routine, even though you didn’t eat enough to grow?

Can you see were I am going with this?

Yes. You are suggesting that I would have gained mass if I ate more and used traditional BB methods. Maybe so. But I couldn’t eat that much food without feeling nauseous when doing standard BB’ing. When I started doing Crossfit I become ravenous. For a long time though I stuck with the zone thinking I didn’t need to stray from it - but T-Nation helped me out of that thinking (I doubled my protein). I also must say, the workouts on T-Nation (generally) are NOT what I would consider traditional body building - they even say so themselves. No doubt I would have gained mass and had the appetite to boot with them.

So your saying CF made your appetite “better” then when you were doing a more traditional hypertrophy program?

Okay. That makes more sense then the way I read your initial post.

Yes, but I also got stronger and faster doing Crossfit though I wasn’t gaining lean mass. Plus I really think if I ate more doing the BB routines I was doing I would have just got fat.[/quote]

Don;t you think that you’re just one of those people that happens to include most people that need to do a bit of cardio, no? I use crossfit in place of cardio more so than lifting because that more of how I view it personally.

mmllcc · July 24, 2009, 6:58pm

[quote]debraD wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
mmllcc wrote:

Yes, this is about right for me. I never gained much mass doing body building protocols. When I started doing Crosfit; I didn’t gain either but I did get stronger and faster in many respects. Then I started eating more and I gained 30 pounds in 6 months.

So you’re really going to go with crossfit as a better hypertrophy program because ONCE YOU ACTUALLY STARTED EATING FOOD you gained weight, and were doing crossfit at that time? But you didn’t gain muscle doing a more traditional BB type routine, even though you didn’t eat enough to grow?

Can you see were I am going with this?

Yes. You are suggesting that I would have gained mass if I ate more and used traditional BB methods. Maybe so. But I couldn’t eat that much food without feeling nauseous when doing standard BB’ing. When I started doing Crossfit I become ravenous. For a long time though I stuck with the zone thinking I didn’t need to stray from it - but T-Nation helped me out of that thinking (I doubled my protein). I also must say, the workouts on T-Nation (generally) are NOT what I would consider traditional body building - they even say so themselves. No doubt I would have gained mass and had the appetite to boot with them.

So your saying CF made your appetite “better” then when you were doing a more traditional hypertrophy program?

Okay. That makes more sense then the way I read your initial post.

Yes, but I also got stronger and faster doing Crossfit though I wasn’t gaining lean mass. Plus I really think if I ate more doing the BB routines I was doing I would have just got fat.

Don;t you think that you’re just one of those people that happens to include most people that need to do a bit of cardio, no? I use crossfit in place of cardio more so than lifting because that more of how I view it personally. [/quote]

No - the BB routines I was going I don’t think stressed my body correctly to build mass. Besides, I don’t have the time to do BB and cardio; I just do it all at once and get it over with.

Besides all that CF is FUN, a lot of times anyway. The competition is great.

jackreape · July 24, 2009, 6:59pm

Hate is a strong word.And should only be reserved for jihadists and folks who hate the designated hitter rule.

Know many folks who do cultfit and most have decent to outstanding GPP. A fine program for folks who are past competing at anything or who never will compete at anything except the Cultfit games. Not the best programming but fervor of practicioners and community aspect pulls/pushes folks to succeed.

Sort of like a cool aid serving line over an oly platform with gymnastic rings overhead.

My issues with cultfit:

Outrageous claims. Google “Crossfit 700lb deadlift”
Celebration of Pukie and rahbdo. Just stupid.
Complex dynamic movements done for high reps with bad technique and a fatigued state.
Some very defensive internet tough guys who go after any critic of the program.

Benefits of Cultfit:

Women thrive on it.
Re-awakening of interest in oly lifts and increased demand/availability/sales of bumper plates and oly shoes.
Community aspects.
Re-awakening of interest in tribal tats.
Interesting web site.

Hazmaticus · July 24, 2009, 7:09pm

I just did a beginners crossfit class today for my first CF experience. It was great and very demanding. My coach was very adament (sp?) About correct form. It exposed a lot of my flexibility/conditioning issues. But alas I am military and already quite strong so I am looking to lean out and become an all around badass. CF definitely has it’s place in the fitness world, but just like any other method, it is what you make of it.

jasmincar · July 24, 2009, 7:12pm

Personally I really don’t care about them

MarvelGirl · July 24, 2009, 7:19pm

I’ve only met one crossfitter and she didn’t do anything to improve anybody’s negative perceptions of crossfit. She would make ridiculous claims about being able to do 40 pullups but would neglect to include the fact that she was jumping on a box while doing these “pullups”. Her idea of a good workout was one where she ended up barfing in the bathroom for half an hour after wards.

She was really, incredibly weird and borderline socially retarded. She attributed all of her “weirdness” to crossfit so it didn’t make me want to go with her to meet “the others”.

I’m sure there are some great people who use it but I tend to avoid kool-aid drinkers of all varieties. Crossfit seems to attract the kool-aid drinkers.

iamthewolf · July 24, 2009, 7:20pm

[quote]mmllcc wrote:
iamthewolf wrote:
this can lead to overuse injuries (becuase the lifter isn’t using the correct muscles / form for the lift) or a fairly serious injury if the lifter uses the same poor form when he does used a heavier weight and fails.

Maybe so. But I don’t know of any examples where this theory of overuse, poor form, etc. has actually resulted in injury. Maybe it has - but if it was experienced on a large scale it would be evident by now. So nothing to worry about.[/quote]

i think one of the reason you don’t see it on a large scale is that even though crossfit has max strength based wod’s a lot (not all) of trainees simply don’t do them. i have a couple friends who do crossfit and neither one will do the wod’s that are just something like “deadlift for 12 sets of 2” or something like that “because they’re not fun.”

BBriere · July 24, 2009, 7:35pm

I tried crossfit. I did 10 sets of 10 on powercleans super setted with 3 sets of 25 inverted atomic abdominal twists. Sure I threw up and and passed out, but after I got out of the hospital I really felt the burn.

masonator · July 24, 2009, 7:39pm

I enjoy doing some of CF’s bodyweight conditioning workouts after my normal workouts in place of running fairly often because it’s easier on my joints and seems pretty helpful with muscular/cardiovascular endurance, both of which will be useful in the Marines.

That being said, I hate the diet, philosophy, and general attitude of crossfit. Just because you don’t like the system doesn’t mean you can’t take some of its parts and make them your own.

mmllcc · July 24, 2009, 7:43pm

[quote]iamthewolf wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
iamthewolf wrote:
this can lead to overuse injuries (becuase the lifter isn’t using the correct muscles / form for the lift) or a fairly serious injury if the lifter uses the same poor form when he does used a heavier weight and fails.

Maybe so. But I don’t know of any examples where this theory of overuse, poor form, etc. has actually resulted in injury. Maybe it has - but if it was experienced on a large scale it would be evident by now. So nothing to worry about.

i think one of the reason you don’t see it on a large scale is that even though Crossfit has max strength based wod’s a lot (not all) of trainees simply don’t do them. i have a couple friends who do Crossfit and neither one will do the wod’s that are just something like “deadlift for 12 sets of 2” or something like that “because they’re not fun.”[/quote]

This has not been my experience. However, I did know a CF trainer that I personally told him NOT to have people doing max lifts until he learned himself how to coach them right…he complied. I saw some his newbie trainees doing max DLs once and I was hoping their backs didn’t split open before me or their guts. Anyway CF wasn’t to blame as much as the dope trainer.

sexy_animal · July 24, 2009, 7:43pm

The great irony here is that I had never heard of CrossFit prior to starting to read the posts on T-Nation. I’m gonna check it out now, thanks…

hawaiilifterMike · July 24, 2009, 8:10pm

[quote]mmllcc wrote:

When I started doing Crossfit I become ravenous.[/quote]

I had a similar effect from just doing morning cardio. I am on a diet and started to do morning cardio - it made me so hungry I just could not see straight. On the DC dvd, Jason Wojo mentioned that Dante wants people to do morning cardio to INCREASE appetite. Now I understand why I was famished all day, everyday.

hawaiilifterMike · July 24, 2009, 8:10pm

[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
if you can’t eat food and do bodybuilding training you’re a fucking pussy

[/quote]

Thank you for the compliment.

Mettahl · July 24, 2009, 8:56pm

MOST people don’t dislike Crossfit for the workouts. Their workouts that have been around for decades, so Crossfit really isn’t anything new anyways. Just a fancy name for circuit training.

Most people hate Crossfit because of people like “mmllcc.” People like this, who have some super-heightened sense of importance for no reason at all. They think that their fitness goals are more important than everyone else’s, so they don’t hesitate to scoff at someone doing low rep work.

I work out at one of those “fitness super centers” where they don’t allow chalk, oly lifts (which is why you have to go at night if you want to do those, so there’s no one to catch you), and tends to be filled with circuit guys. I have no problem with these people’s way of training, because they have their own goals. What I do have a problem with is their attitude. People like “mmllcc” are so fucking stuck on themselves and everything that THEY do, and everything that THEY like, that everyone else’s views are irrelevant and stupid.

I kind of want to shit on this guy’s face. Not because he’s a crossfitter, but because he acts like one.

anon37909890 · July 25, 2009, 1:15am

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
PGA wrote:
A close friend of mine is a Cross-Fit trainer. He is very far from the arrogant douchebag stereotype that has seemed to grow towards Cross-Fit people. There are some, most definitely, but I’ve never met any that are like stereotype.

Yeah, but does he make you measure your shit?? Huh??
[/quote]

Only on weekends, hun!

red04 · July 25, 2009, 3:19am

[quote]mmllcc wrote:
debraD wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
mmllcc wrote:

Yes, this is about right for me. I never gained much mass doing body building protocols. When I started doing Crosfit; I didn’t gain either but I did get stronger and faster in many respects. Then I started eating more and I gained 30 pounds in 6 months.

So you’re really going to go with crossfit as a better hypertrophy program because ONCE YOU ACTUALLY STARTED EATING FOOD you gained weight, and were doing crossfit at that time? But you didn’t gain muscle doing a more traditional BB type routine, even though you didn’t eat enough to grow?

Can you see were I am going with this?

Yes. You are suggesting that I would have gained mass if I ate more and used traditional BB methods. Maybe so. But I couldn’t eat that much food without feeling nauseous when doing standard BB’ing. When I started doing Crossfit I become ravenous. For a long time though I stuck with the zone thinking I didn’t need to stray from it - but T-Nation helped me out of that thinking (I doubled my protein). I also must say, the workouts on T-Nation (generally) are NOT what I would consider traditional body building - they even say so themselves. No doubt I would have gained mass and had the appetite to boot with them.

So your saying CF made your appetite “better” then when you were doing a more traditional hypertrophy program?

Okay. That makes more sense then the way I read your initial post.

Yes, but I also got stronger and faster doing Crossfit though I wasn’t gaining lean mass. Plus I really think if I ate more doing the BB routines I was doing I would have just got fat.

Don;t you think that you’re just one of those people that happens to include most people that need to do a bit of cardio, no? I use crossfit in place of cardio more so than lifting because that more of how I view it personally.

No - the BB routines I was going I don’t think stressed my body correctly to build mass. Besides, I don’t have the time to do BB and cardio; I just do it all at once and get it over with.

Besides all that CF is FUN, a lot of times anyway. The competition is great.[/quote]

It sounds like you are a terrible self motivator and didn’t start actually putting effort into the gym until Glassman got you sippin the drink.

On one hand, congratulations on apparently making some form of progress now, that’s good. On the other hand, how can you sit here and praise one thing but tear down the other when you have not given the other it’s fair chance even by your own admission. Plus you keep saying “BBing training” but never really said what that was(I am tempted to assume from your posts that you think BB training is all isolation work with a year of rest between sets).

In my experience, the respectable male physiques in crossfit come from those that were well trained before they started doing the CF WOD’s, not the other way around.

skohcl · July 25, 2009, 6:17am

One of my friends is in cross-fit… I asked him what his goals were and he was all like: “I don’t know, what do you think my goals should be?”

He was serious, he seriously has no goals in fitness, just to be somewhat “fit” is his goal. That’s pretty much my problem with crossfit, the goal is just to kind of be a “fit” person, not really strong, just fit. And since I can be fit by working out 3-5 days a week and doing cardio 3-5 days a week, what the hell good is cross-fit? Just change up your exercises every once in a while and your golden.

Lift_or_die · July 25, 2009, 6:42am

[quote]Bloobird wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
People hate Crossfit for the following reasons:

They don’t like CFr’s attitudes. But fail to realize they have the very same one about whatever they are doing.
They think Glassman is a fat ass. But fail to realize so is (was) Dave Tate, so was CT, and so is (was) Dan John, etc.
They don’t realize Glassman is probably a fatass because he is handicap from some injury - unlike the others I mentioned; and Dave Tate would probably be handicapped if it wasn’t for his copious amounts roids (not that there is anything wrong with that).
They think Glassman is mean and says mean things and it hurts their feelings. But they forget that so does Dave Tate, PQ and practically every other coach that writes for T-Nation.
They think they are the “real” athletes and the CFr’s are not. Whatever the hell that means. If they think so the CF games are open to anyone. Sign up and go kick their asses.
They think Glasman and CF as a whole say they invented everything they do. But they don’t realize Glassman never said that. They also don’t realize that nothing the T-Nation coaches say or write is original either. Somebody, somewhere has done it all before.
CFrs are good looking and they are ugly. Ugly people are always jealous of the good looking ones.
They don’t like the idea that cultfit is a superior training methodology for ALL specifications, INCLUDING bodybuilding. That brand of arrogance is irritating.
Dave Tate is an elite powerlifter. CT was a successful olympic lifter before he turned to bodybuilding. Dan John has had years of success as a coach in track and field and highland games. The only thing to my knowledge that Glassman has been successful at is creating the biggest fitness scam of the past decade. There is much more to being successful in the world of strength than being lean, and the fact that you are trying to prove a point to the extent of the opposite shows exactly how green you are.
Here comes the crossfitter’s favorite strawman: “Yeah but so and so does steroids! NTTAWWT…”
They think Glassman is an asshole with nothing to back up his self proclaimed expertise. Dave Tate is a champion powerlifter, has trained with the best in the world. CP has trained more olympic athletes than Glassman has seen on TV. When you do big things, then people are more likely to accept your big talk.
They think that Cultfit’s arrogant assertion that “I am good at the Xfit games, therefore, I am better at (insert mainstream sport) than those who train specifically for that mainstream sport” is insulting and asinine.
No one cares where Glassman got his ideas, they hate the way in which he and his cult members present that information as vastly superior to all other training methodologies.
Fuck you.

x2 with stronghold[/quote]

x3 end of thread

mmllcc · July 28, 2009, 1:46pm

[quote]red04 wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
debraD wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
mmllcc wrote: