[quote]hawaiilifterMike wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
Then I started eating more and I gained 30 pounds in 6 months.
Man, if I started eating more and did any form of exercise, I will gain weight and get stronger. Right now I am cutting so I can barely maintain what little strength I have.
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That is great but you are a genetic exception. I know black guy that gains mass just by looking at weights. That is great and all. But most people have to work really hard and eat gut busting amounts of food to gain a considerable amount of lean mass.
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
People hate Crossfit for the following reasons:
They don’t like CFr’s attitudes. But fail to realize they have the very same one about whatever they are doing.
They think Glassman is a fat ass. But fail to realize so is (was) Dave Tate, so was CT, and so is (was) Dan John, etc.
They don’t realize Glassman is probably a fatass because he is handicap from some injury - unlike the others I mentioned; and Dave Tate would probably be handicapped if it wasn’t for his copious amounts roids (not that there is anything wrong with that).
They think Glassman is mean and says mean things and it hurts their feelings. But they forget that so does Dave Tate, PQ and practically every other coach that writes for T-Nation.
They think they are the “real” athletes and the CFr’s are not. Whatever the hell that means. If they think so the CF games are open to anyone. Sign up and go kick their asses.
They think Glasman and CF as a whole say they invented everything they do. But they don’t realize Glassman never said that. They also don’t realize that nothing the T-Nation coaches say or write is original either. Somebody, somewhere has done it all before.
CFrs are good looking and they are ugly. Ugly people are always jealous of the good looking ones.
They don’t like the idea that cultfit is a superior training methodology for ALL specifications, INCLUDING bodybuilding. That brand of arrogance is irritating.
Dave Tate is an elite powerlifter. CT was a successful olympic lifter before he turned to bodybuilding. Dan John has had years of success as a coach in track and field and highland games. The only thing to my knowledge that Glassman has been successful at is creating the biggest fitness scam of the past decade. There is much more to being successful in the world of strength than being lean, and the fact that you are trying to prove a point to the extent of the opposite shows exactly how green you are.
Here comes the crossfitter’s favorite strawman: “Yeah but so and so does steroids! NTTAWWT…”
They think Glassman is an asshole with nothing to back up his self proclaimed expertise. Dave Tate is a champion powerlifter, has trained with the best in the world. CP has trained more olympic athletes than Glassman has seen on TV. When you do big things, then people are more likely to accept your big talk.
They think that Cultfit’s arrogant assertion that “I am good at the Xfit games, therefore, I am better at (insert mainstream sport) than those who train specifically for that mainstream sport” is insulting and asinine.
No one cares where Glassman got his ideas, they hate the way in which he and his cult members present that information as vastly superior to all other training methodologies.
[quote]Kaizen514 wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
4. What champions has Glassman trained? What has he accomplished himself? Until you give hard evidence of the efficacy of the Crossfit methodology in a certain arena (ie, “Crossfit makes good football players” and then present the good football players who use Xfit), then you’re all just blowing smoke.
Cf never says they make good football players, I believe what they said was that they can make good football players better.
Which football players have they made better?[/quote]
I don’t know. I don’t follow football because it is full of gay men (who you ask are gay? – All of them). But maybe these people can answer that question:
Yes, this is about right for me. I never gained much mass doing body building protocols. When I started doing Crosfit; I didn’t gain either but I did get stronger and faster in many respects. Then I started eating more and I gained 30 pounds in 6 months.[/quote]
So you’re really going to go with crossfit as a better hypertrophy program because ONCE YOU ACTUALLY STARTED EATING FOOD you gained weight, and were doing crossfit at that time? But you didn’t gain muscle doing a more traditional BB type routine, even though you didn’t eat enough to grow?
[quote]mmllcc wrote:
Kaizen514 wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
4. What champions has Glassman trained? What has he accomplished himself? Until you give hard evidence of the efficacy of the Crossfit methodology in a certain arena (ie, “Crossfit makes good football players” and then present the good football players who use Xfit), then you’re all just blowing smoke.
Cf never says they make good football players, I believe what they said was that they can make good football players better.
Which football players have they made better?
I don’t know. I don’t follow football because it is full of gay men (who you ask are gay? – All of them). But maybe these people can answer that question:
One of the first signs someone is losing an argument is name calling. You are trying to antagonize people by throwing around the word “gay” just stick to your argument if you are for crossfit then good for you just stick to the facts. Its pretty hard to compel people when you sound ignorant.
That is great but you are a genetic exception. I know black guy that gains mass just by looking at weights. That is great and all. But most people have to work really hard and eat gut busting amounts of food to gain a considerable amount of lean mass.[/quote]
Oh, you are talking about lean mass. Sorry, I don’t know how to gain that type of mass, I meant gaining fat mass because that is the only type I have ever gained which lead to some strength gains as well.
Yes, this is about right for me. I never gained much mass doing body building protocols. When I started doing Crosfit; I didn’t gain either but I did get stronger and faster in many respects. Then I started eating more and I gained 30 pounds in 6 months.
So you’re really going to go with crossfit as a better hypertrophy program because ONCE YOU ACTUALLY STARTED EATING FOOD you gained weight, and were doing crossfit at that time? But you didn’t gain muscle doing a more traditional BB type routine, even though you didn’t eat enough to grow?
Can you see were I am going with this?
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Yes. You are suggesting that I would have gained mass if I ate more and used traditional BB methods. Maybe so. But I couldn’t eat that much food without feeling nauseous when doing standard BB’ing. When I started doing Crossfit I become ravenous. For a long time though I stuck with the zone thinking I didn’t need to stray from it - but T-Nation helped me out of that thinking (I doubled my protein). I also must say, the workouts on T-Nation (generally) are NOT what I would consider traditional body building - they even say so themselves. No doubt I would have gained mass and had the appetite to boot with them.
[quote]bonerjams98 wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
Kaizen514 wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
4. What champions has Glassman trained? What has he accomplished himself? Until you give hard evidence of the efficacy of the Crossfit methodology in a certain arena (ie, “Crossfit makes good football players” and then present the good football players who use Xfit), then you’re all just blowing smoke.
Cf never says they make good football players, I believe what they said was that they can make good football players better.
Which football players have they made better?
I don’t know. I don’t follow football because it is full of gay men (who you ask are gay? – All of them). But maybe these people can answer that question:
One of the first signs someone is losing an argument is name calling. You are trying to antagonize people by throwing around the word “gay” just stick to your argument if you are for crossfit then good for you just stick to the facts. Its pretty hard to compel people when you sound ignorant. [/quote]
Name calling is funny…to me anyway. I actually laugh when some calls my mother fat.
I’ve never met any Crossfitters in real life, and I’ve never “studied” their history or philosophy, so I can’t really comment on their attitudes. But I do like to do their little workout of the day every now and then to supplement my training. I’ll do it for general conditioning, because to me, that’s all Crossfit is good for.
Yes, this is about right for me. I never gained much mass doing body building protocols. When I started doing Crosfit; I didn’t gain either but I did get stronger and faster in many respects. Then I started eating more and I gained 30 pounds in 6 months.
So you’re really going to go with crossfit as a better hypertrophy program because ONCE YOU ACTUALLY STARTED EATING FOOD you gained weight, and were doing crossfit at that time? But you didn’t gain muscle doing a more traditional BB type routine, even though you didn’t eat enough to grow?
Can you see were I am going with this?
Yes. You are suggesting that I would have gained mass if I ate more and used traditional BB methods. Maybe so. But I couldn’t eat that much food without feeling nauseous when doing standard BB’ing. When I started doing Crossfit I become ravenous. For a long time though I stuck with the zone thinking I didn’t need to stray from it - but T-Nation helped me out of that thinking (I doubled my protein). I also must say, the workouts on T-Nation (generally) are NOT what I would consider traditional body building - they even say so themselves. No doubt I would have gained mass and had the appetite to boot with them.[/quote]
So your saying CF made your appetite “better” then when you were doing a more traditional hypertrophy program?
Okay. That makes more sense then the way I read your initial post.
A close friend of mine is a Cross-Fit trainer. He is very far from the arrogant douchebag stereotype that has seemed to grow towards Cross-Fit people. There are some, most definitely, but I’ve never met any that are like stereotype.
I’m middle of the pack at most CrossFit stuff, judging from the times and numbers posted on their WOD site. But I’m stronger than virtually all of them. By that I mean MAYBE one or two posts will be higher than mine when they do a strength WOD.
That’s why CrossFit isn’t my cup of tea.
But I do tons of MetCons and burpees, for the record.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
I’ve never met any Crossfitters in real life, and I’ve never “studied” their history or philosophy, so I can’t really comment on their attitudes. But I do like to do their little workout of the day every now and then to supplement my training. I’ll do it for general conditioning, because to me, that’s all Crossfit is good for.[/quote]
[quote]PGA wrote:
A close friend of mine is a Cross-Fit trainer. He is very far from the arrogant douchebag stereotype that has seemed to grow towards Cross-Fit people. There are some, most definitely, but I’ve never met any that are like stereotype.[/quote]
Yeah, but does he make you measure your shit?? Huh??
They don’t like the idea that cultfit is a superior training methodology for ALL specifications, INCLUDING bodybuilding. That brand of arrogance is irritating.
Dave Tate is an elite powerlifter. CT was a successful olympic lifter before he turned to bodybuilding. Dan John has had years of success as a coach in track and field and highland games. The only thing to my knowledge that Glassman has been successful at is creating the biggest fitness scam of the past decade. There is much more to being successful in the world of strength than being lean, and the fact that you are trying to prove a point to the extent of the opposite shows exactly how green you are.
Here comes the crossfitter’s favorite strawman: “Yeah but so and so does steroids! NTTAWWT…”
They think Glassman is an asshole with nothing to back up his self proclaimed expertise. Dave Tate is a champion powerlifter, has trained with the best in the world. CP has trained more olympic athletes than Glassman has seen on TV. When you do big things, then people are more likely to accept your big talk.
They think that Cultfit’s arrogant assertion that “I am good at the Xfit games, therefore, I am better at (insert mainstream sport) than those who train specifically for that mainstream sport” is insulting and asinine.
No one cares where Glassman got his ideas, they hate the way in which he and his cult members present that information as vastly superior to all other training methodologies.
High-effort deadlifts followed by 15 rep power snatches. I really hate to think what could happen trying that many O-style lifts in such a fatigued state, especially when you just finished beating the hell out of your spinal erectors.
Plus, the cultish feeling that Glassman tries to create. Don’t get me wrong here, I think it’s good to feel connected to your organization, especially a fitness organization, and most especially in a world that has too many people that don’t move enough. But they denounce all other forms of fitness, as if what they do is far superior. Like others have said… there are many athletes of many different disciplines that are far stronger, faster, and more agile than even the best CFers.
Yes, this is about right for me. I never gained much mass doing body building protocols. When I started doing Crosfit; I didn’t gain either but I did get stronger and faster in many respects. Then I started eating more and I gained 30 pounds in 6 months.
So you’re really going to go with crossfit as a better hypertrophy program because ONCE YOU ACTUALLY STARTED EATING FOOD you gained weight, and were doing crossfit at that time? But you didn’t gain muscle doing a more traditional BB type routine, even though you didn’t eat enough to grow?
Can you see were I am going with this?
Yes. You are suggesting that I would have gained mass if I ate more and used traditional BB methods. Maybe so. But I couldn’t eat that much food without feeling nauseous when doing standard BB’ing. When I started doing Crossfit I become ravenous. For a long time though I stuck with the zone thinking I didn’t need to stray from it - but T-Nation helped me out of that thinking (I doubled my protein). I also must say, the workouts on T-Nation (generally) are NOT what I would consider traditional body building - they even say so themselves. No doubt I would have gained mass and had the appetite to boot with them.
So your saying CF made your appetite “better” then when you were doing a more traditional hypertrophy program?
Okay. That makes more sense then the way I read your initial post.[/quote]
Yes, but I also got stronger and faster doing Crossfit though I wasn’t gaining lean mass. Plus I really think if I ate more doing the BB routines I was doing I would have just got fat.
