I change my pick to Rufus…he scares me
[quote]RHINO928 wrote:
kenedy13 wrote:
He would crush them easily. He’s not about pussy endurance fights with gloves and breaks. He’s used to killing people in single blows.
That’s why he’s my guy and also why I LOVE and practice Krav.
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Krav’s the bad shit. We’re definitely gonna see some Krav fighters come out in the next ten years.
I would go with Rickson and Amir.
The thing about the Krav Maga and the IDF, and Combat Sombo and the Russian Spez Natz (sp?), is that, yes, they are trained to do some serious damage. Same with SEALs and Rangers and whatever “system” they were trained in. There is a difference, however, between fighting for your life and the cage.
There have been some SEALs in MMA and they haven’t done so well. Put those same SEALs against the opponents they lost to in a jungle for a kill or be killed bout and my money would go with the SEAL, or anyother Special Forces guy. IMHO
Tyler
[quote]teedog wrote:
I would go with Rickson and Amir.
The thing about the Krav Maga and the IDF, and Combat Sombo and the Russian Spez Natz (sp?), is that, yes, they are trained to do some serious damage. Same with SEALs and Rangers and whatever “system” they were trained in. There is a difference, however, between fighting for your life and the cage.
There have been some SEALs in MMA and they haven’t done so well. Put those same SEALs against the opponents they lost to in a jungle for a kill or be killed bout and my money would go with the SEAL, or anyother Special Forces guy. IMHO
Tyler
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Unless that SEAL happens to be fighting Gan McGee at a bar in San Diego where he gets his ass handed to him.
http://www.robclaw.com/crocop%20.wmv
had to steal this link from a different post by xen nova. it’s unreal.
this guy is a monster…
[quote]slimjim wrote:
teedog wrote:
I would go with Rickson and Amir.
The thing about the Krav Maga and the IDF, and Combat Sombo and the Russian Spez Natz (sp?), is that, yes, they are trained to do some serious damage. Same with SEALs and Rangers and whatever “system” they were trained in. There is a difference, however, between fighting for your life and the cage.
There have been some SEALs in MMA and they haven’t done so well. Put those same SEALs against the opponents they lost to in a jungle for a kill or be killed bout and my money would go with the SEAL, or anyother Special Forces guy. IMHO
Tyler
Unless that SEAL happens to be fighting Gan McGee at a bar in San Diego where he gets his ass handed to him.
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LOL, didn’t think of that, and I’m sure he didn’t either.
[quote]balljack8 wrote:
if it`s streetfighting, then Rufus is the man.[/quote]
LOL.
That dudes breath probably fucked that camera up!
[quote]quietpro wrote:
Mirko “Cro Cop”
If you don’t know him yet, you will once he beats Fedor this month.[/quote]
I don’t see Mirko beating Fedor, especially after being tapped by Nog. Granted that was like 2 years ago but he hasn’t fought a rematch. I think Nog is a better fighter and I don’t think he could take Fedor.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Z2nd_Comng wrote:
Xen Nova wrote:
Silva is a fucking BEAST.
GSP (George St. Pierre) will dominate soon he’ll steam roll his division just watch.
I love that Canadian bastard, but I think Matt Hughes will own the welterweights for as long as he wants.
Agree!
I’ll reiterate. Matt Hughes got demolished by BJ Penn. It wasn’t even close to being a battle. Penn took whatever position he wanted on the ground. Side control, mount, whatever. He owned that bastard. Owned I say.
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BJ Penn is a great fighter no doubt. However the first time around Hughes underestimated him, that won’t happen again.
Im gonna go with Michael McDonald from K1…he’s one of the top K1 fighters and has the biggest back I’ve ever seen!
[quote]j281 wrote:
Im gonna go with Michael McDonald from K1…he’s one of the top K1 fighters and has the biggest back I’ve ever seen![/quote]
Michael McDonald also has one heck of a voice:
http://www.delafont.com/music_acts/Doobie-Brothers.htm
Of course that’s a different McDonald…
If it is outdated then why does everyone study it?.. As for my post i’m talking about Rickson not ‘the Gracies’. He is the older brother Royce said could beat him in under two minutes. He is the one, unlike many of the other brothers, who had no problem with punching the shit out of you if he saw fit, as opposed to just submissions.
Its not his fault that he is now too old to compete & that it took this long for everyone else to catch up!.. All of the fighters mentioned are very good but none are GREAT. (Wunderlai, Liddell, & CroCop are some of my favorites also!)… A GREAT fighter adapts to the situation.
Rickson has practiced jiujitsu for 40+ years & you think someone can study if for a few years (mostly defensive grappling)like many have done & compete? If you studied videos of Roy Jones,sparred with Roy Jones style fighters, do you think you could hang in the ring with him?
I’m a lifelong grappler & still got my ass handed to me a few years ago by Rickson’s nephew who was only 21 at the time. He verified to me that none in the familly could even compete with Rickson. The story i mentioned in an earlier post about Rickson holding off 3 of his brothers with one arm tied behind his back was not fiction. How many fighters could claim that?..
Don’t be fooled by many of today’s fighters who practice jiujitsu defensive grappling techniques, lay there, &/or hang onto the fence waiting for the ref to break them & make them stand up! It makes for an exciting SPORT but not for realism.
Correct me if i’m wrong but when they advertise Ultimate Fighting don’t they ALWAYS show the knockouts? Don’t they sell a DVD of “Ultimate Fight’s Greatest Knockouts”?.. Many of today’s fighters have adapted to the sport but in my book none could have competed with Rickson.
He was extremely fast & specialized in avoiding being hit. Unlike many of today’s ‘grapplers’, once he took you down there were no mistakes allowing for escape, even for world ranked grapplers in his time! Some questioned if he had a chin, but of all of the highly skilled strikers he fought, none could hit him!
[quote]kickboxer wrote:
Until I see proof of 400 fights I don’t believe it. The gracies were good fighters, but they were also salesman and they tended to skew the facts. Until they step back in and face the best the UFC/Pride has to offer, they’re just yesterday’s news. They had a good system, but now everyone has it and they’re outdated…
If it is outdated then why does everyone study it?.. As for my post i’m talking about Rickson not ‘the Gracies’. He is the older brother Royce said could beat him in under two minutes. He is the one, unlike many of the other brothers, who had no problem with punching the shit out of you if he saw fit, as opposed to just submissions.
Its not his fault that he is now too old to compete & that it took this long for everyone else to catch up!.. All of the fighters mentioned are very good but none are GREAT. (Wunderlai, Liddell, & CroCop are some of my favorites also!)… A GREAT fighter adapts to the situation.
Rickson has practiced jiujitsu for 40+ years & you think someone can study if for a few years (mostly defensive grappling)like many have done & compete? If you studied videos of Roy Jones,sparred with Roy Jones style fighters, do you think you could hang in the ring with him?
I’m a lifelong grappler & still got my ass handed to me a few years ago by Rickson’s nephew who was only 21 at the time. He verified to me that none in the familly could even compete with Rickson. The story i mentioned in an earlier post about Rickson holding off 3 of his brothers with one arm tied behind his back was not fiction. How many fighters could claim that?..
Don’t be fooled by many of today’s fighters who practice jiujitsu defensive grappling techniques, lay there, &/or hang onto the fence waiting for the ref to break them & make them stand up! It makes for an exciting SPORT but not for realism.
Correct me if i’m wrong but when they advertise Ultimate Fighting don’t they ALWAYS show the knockouts? Don’t they sell a DVD of “Ultimate Fight’s Greatest Knockouts”?.. Many of today’s fighters have adapted to the sport but in my book none could have competed with Rickson.
He was extremely fast & specialized in avoiding being hit. Unlike many of today’s ‘grapplers’, once he took you down there were no mistakes allowing for escape, even for world ranked grapplers in his time! Some questioned if he had a chin, but of all of the highly skilled strikers he fought, none could hit him! [/quote]
kickboxer:
I take nothing away from the Gracies. I even had the pleasure of training with Royce during the summer of 97’. However, please name even one quality opponent who Rickson defeated. He seemed to build his reputation beating nobodys.
[quote]teedog wrote:
I would go with Rickson and Amir.
The thing about the Krav Maga and the IDF, and Combat Sombo and the Russian Spez Natz (sp?), is that, yes, they are trained to do some serious damage. Same with SEALs and Rangers and whatever “system” they were trained in. There is a difference, however, between fighting for your life and the cage.
There have been some SEALs in MMA and they haven’t done so well. Put those same SEALs against the opponents they lost to in a jungle for a kill or be killed bout and my money would go with the SEAL, or anyother Special Forces guy. IMHO
Tyler
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Ummmm Why wouldn’t the SEAL, ranger, special forces guy, or any other military person just shoot the bad guy with one of the multiple weapons they carry, stab them with one of the many knives, throw a grenade at them, or even have an airplane drop bombs on them? That hand to hand shit sucks.
And all of this talk about Mr Amir “trains to kill” is kind of un-realistic. That’s what every martal artist thought until the first UFC. Everyone thought they had the death touch, killer kicks, and chi power that would let them dominate the enemy without actual strength or fitness. I would need to see extraordinary proof.
What ever happened to Ernesto Hoost? I am a bit behind the news… I just remember him having a killer kick.
Do you all know that Fox sports net is showing Pride on August 21, at 9:00 pm. Check your listings. They are showing some of the best fights in recent pride history. After this initial showing, they will have a monthly episode of pride fights. MMA is going mainstream.
About freaking time.
Just a comment about the several Bruce Lee votes…I don’t think he qualifies as being “The Baddest Fighter Around”, since he’s been stone cold dead for about 3 decades. Just wanted to toss that out there.
If we’re talking the toughest S.O.B. of all time, I’d say the Ken Shamrock of the 1990’s.
For a “fantasy fighter”, I’d say WWE’s Undertaker, after making him study BJJ and Muay Thai.
Goku could destroy any of these fighters you guys mentioned.
Ok but about the MMA thing going mainstream, UFC has a one hour show on after wresting on mondays, it’s a couple of past UFC bouts and they play some really good ones. Cool as shit!
V
[quote]IronHell wrote:
What ever happened to Ernesto Hoost? I am a bit behind the news… I just remember him having a killer kick.[/quote]
I think that he retired… 2 bad, I would shure as hell like to see the fight between Hoost and Cro Cop…
yeah I’m aware of the UFC shows. If you haven’t seen Nog, Silva, Fedor, Jackson fight, then you need to catch these on FSN