Who Is Captain America?

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[quote]TShaw wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Anybody else think he looks a little to young to be captain America?[/quote]

Youth could work in his favor. Steve Rogers was of an age to enlist in WW II just as the US was getting involved, and then within a few years (he never saw the end of that war) he was frozen in a block of ice. Chris Evans looks the age Steve SHOULD look when he’s revived by the Avengers. I agree that Evans has some serious acting chops–he was, after all, the most “right on” of the FF movie actors, in my opinion. As for the physique, he could easily put on some mass in the next 6-12 months.

But will he be able to pull of the gravitas of Cap when addressing Thor and Tony Stark? That will take some good writing AND acting, to portray that respect.[/quote]

I agree and I think he will do fine. He can do serious parts and he can do them well. Sunshine was not a bullshit movie even though there wasn’t all that much action in it.

Captain America isn’t that old initially. He is portrayed as being in his mid to late 30’s NOW because he has been out of the ice for many years.

…and for the record, the concept of freezing that character and having him suddenly introduced into today’s world is an EPIC concept. America was much more “innocent” in the eyes of the general public when Captain America was created. That character would have a hard time being created for the first time today because the morals and values he stands for are largely considered outdated in politics.

I know one thing, if done right, you can NOT do Captain America without dealing with politics. I am very interested in which direction they plan to go with that.

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In an interview earlier this month, the director said:

“Casting Captain America is really casting two roles…Steve Rogers before and after the transformation from 98 pound weakling to perfect physical specimen. I can’t divulge how we’re going to do it, but the performance will be Chris Evans from beginning to end.”

So we should be actually seeing him go from skinny to Super Soldierized. Could be interesting, as long as there are no shades of Peter Parker flexing in the mirror admiring his new bod.

Also, in another interview, Evans talked about taking on the role:

“It is a big responsibility. I’m a little scared, to be honest. I’d be lying if I said anything else, and I have no problem being honest about that. It’s intimidating. It’s a big responsibility and you want to do your best work.
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He’s a wonderful character, just as a man, aside from the comic hero background. If it was just a story about the man, Steve Rogers, I’d be really interested. He’s an incredibly noble, honest, selfless man, and those are qualities that I think people can aspire to and look up to.”

http://news.screenstar.com/Article/683

Sounds like he “gets it”, so I’m even more comfortable with him tackling it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I know one thing, if done right, you can NOT do Captain America without dealing with politics. I am very interested in which direction they plan to go with that.[/quote]

KINDA-SORTA-MAYBE HALF-SPOILER RE: Movie Setting

A different interview with the director, that should clue into the “direction” they’re going with the politics.

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After seeing him giving the best performance out of anyone in the FF movies, along with the range he showed in other roles (From "Push and “Sunshine” to “The Losers”), I’m sold. And even though FF:Silver Surfer was terrible, it definitely presented him as someone who could tackle a role like Captain America.

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I think he’ll do fine, he has the “all american” look and has decent acting range hes just doesn’t have the size but he can always work on that.

What I’m interested in is:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
In an interview earlier this month, the director said:

“Casting Captain America is really casting two roles…Steve Rogers before and after the transformation from 98 pound weakling to perfect physical specimen. I can’t divulge how we’re going to do it, but the performance will be Chris Evans from beginning to end.”
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I really wonder how they’ll pull it off. Marvel’s movies are getting better than ever so I have faith in them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I know one thing, if done right, you can NOT do Captain America without dealing with politics. I am very interested in which direction they plan to go with that. [/quote]

Agreed. I want to see where CA fits in with his WW II American hardwiring in a ‘post modern’ U.S.

I was not a big comic book guy growing up, but I did have access to ‘everything’ CA was one I liked more than most and I am look forward to this, film.

Make this dude a little bigger and I will be cool…

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[quote]Johnny T Frisk wrote:
I think he’ll do fine, he has the “all american” look and has decent acting range hes just doesn’t have the size but he can always work on that.

What I’m interested in is:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
In an interview earlier this month, the director said:

“Casting Captain America is really casting two roles…Steve Rogers before and after the transformation from 98 pound weakling to perfect physical specimen. I can’t divulge how we’re going to do it, but the performance will be Chris Evans from beginning to end.”
[/quote]

I really wonder how they’ll pull it off. Marvel’s movies are getting better than ever so I have faith in them.

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They may actually either go in reverse (as in have him get in great shape and then starve himself for the earlier scenes)…or do like Christian Bale and literally starve himself first and then gain it back.

I would be way more impressed if he does this physically for real than if they do this strictly by CGI.

The fact that they won’t divulge how they will do it makes me optimistic…but they could very well fuck up.

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I’m fine with Chris Evans as Cap. (would’ve preferred Garrett Hedlund, though). Channing Tatum was a serious contender for a while - thank God that didn’t happen.

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[quote]roybot wrote:
I’m fine with Chris Evans as Cap. (would’ve preferred Garrett Hedlund, though). Channing Tatum was a serious contender for a while - thank God that didn’t happen.[/quote]

There is no way in hell I would support this movie with Tatum.

He fucked up GI Joe…along with the writers, the director and the casting agent.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

There is no way in hell I would support this movie with Tatum.

He fucked up GI Joe…along with the writers, the director and the casting agent.[/quote]

I refuse to watch G.I. Joe solely because of him…to hear that it’s bad is no suprise, because he lacks the chops to carry a movie, let alone share screentime with the likes of SLJ, Downey Jr. and (possibly) Jeremy Renner, and emerge without look like a complete hack. I don’t know why Marvel even considered auditioning him based on their casting decisions to date. My only guess is that they were getting really desperate at that point. Really fucking desperate it seems.

Tatum is the type of actor that should only be cast as a last resort. Like if some evil genius genetically engineered a virus to kill all the actors on the planet (Tatum, having zero acting talent, has a natural immunity, so is the only choice left) or if they have a leading man-shaped hole to fill and need an appropriately-sized block of wood to fill the gap…that’s literally all he’s good for. His continued success is a true mystery.

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[quote]roybot wrote:
His continued success is a true mystery.[/quote]

I blame 14 year old girls. They seem to be the default blame carriers for all that is wrong in movies.

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Captian America always had a powerful image in my mind, not just size but face structure. I don’t see it with chris evans good actor or not, i hope it end up ok.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Johnny T Frisk wrote:
I think he’ll do fine, he has the “all american” look and has decent acting range hes just doesn’t have the size but he can always work on that.

What I’m interested in is:

[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
In an interview earlier this month, the director said:

“Casting Captain America is really casting two roles…Steve Rogers before and after the transformation from 98 pound weakling to perfect physical specimen. I can’t divulge how we’re going to do it, but the performance will be Chris Evans from beginning to end.”
[/quote]

I really wonder how they’ll pull it off. Marvel’s movies are getting better than ever so I have faith in them.

[/quote]

They may actually either go in reverse (as in have him get in great shape and then starve himself for the earlier scenes)…or do like Christian Bale and literally starve himself first and then gain it back.

I would be way more impressed if he does this physically for real than if they do this strictly by CGI.

The fact that they won’t divulge how they will do it makes me optimistic…but they could very well fuck up.[/quote]

Shooting in reverse would work out pretty well, the only problem is the movie starts shooting at the end of June so hopefully he started taking his ass to the gym right after getting the role. I really hope they don’t throw a bunch of cg on him.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
I’m fine with Chris Evans as Cap. (would’ve preferred Garrett Hedlund, though). Channing Tatum was a serious contender for a while - thank God that didn’t happen.[/quote]

There is no way in hell I would support this movie with Tatum.

He fucked up GI Joe…along with the writers, the director and the casting agent.[/quote]

That movie was fucking awful, the only reason I finished watching the damn thing was because Rachel Nichols is so damn hot.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:
His continued success is a true mystery.[/quote]

I blame 14 year old girls. They seem to be the default blame carriers for all that is wrong in movies.[/quote]

True, true. As long as he sticks to movies I’ll never watch (like Dear John), I’m willing to live and let live.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Captian America always had a powerful image in my mind, not just size but face structure. I don’t see it with chris evans good actor or not, i hope it end up ok. [/quote]

With regards to his build, I think it’s safe to say that Chris Evans will be considerably heavier in the movie. As mentioned earlier, he’ll be hitting the ground running regarding his training, and he’s got the potential to be more developed than, say Ryan Reynolds.

I’ve seen Chris Evans’ workout plan circa FF1, and let’s just say that it isn’t exactly bodybuilder-friendly (five hour-long sessions of cardio per week & a variation on the zone diet). He can add a lot of mass if allowed to.

Marvel aren’t shying away from having characters with powerful builds: we’re about to have Mickey Rourke, and one of the main villains in Thor (played by Joseph Gatt, best known for providing the motion capture for Kratos) is pretty muscular before training for the movie. Rumor has it that he will play Skurge The Executioner…

The point being that they are unlikely to let the villains eclipse the heroes in the physique department. Although looking at Hollywood’s liking for “method” physical preparation, I wouldn’t be suprised if they put Chris Evans through some kind of WW2 boot camp-style training…

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Evans is in pretty good shape to begin with, has some acting ability [haven’t seen Sunshine but hear good things, but check out London] and seems pretty likeable. He’s probably not as masculine looking as you’d want Cap to be but he’s not a complete fuck up by casting. Let’s see what he can do before condemning the guy.

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CGI do your magic, you will need lots of it.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Captian America always had a powerful image in my mind, not just size but face structure. I don’t see it with chris evans good actor or not, i hope it end up ok. [/quote]

This is true. Cap always had a distinct jaw line especially.

I still think Evans should be able to pull it off.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
Hmmm so we can tell so far from the Cast they are not going to have normal size people and boost up the costumes. I’m cool with that as long as they get the Acting/Character traits down. I don’t want a wise cracking CAPT. HMMMMM wonder who they have in mind for Thor?[/quote]

Thor has been set for a while…in fact I think they started shooting in January.

That’s the guy who played Captain Kirk’s dad in opening scenes of Star Trek. He actually has a pretty decent build to put on some Thor-like mass. [/quote]

I’m glad that dude is getting some recognition, but I wanted him to be Hal Jordan. They need some huge Scandinavian strong man competitor to play Thor.

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[quote]Petermus wrote:
CGI do your magic, you will need lots of it.[/quote]

The Incredible Hulk gave us a sneak peak at what a replicated version of the super-soldier serum can do to a man. It’s possible that they will use CGI muscles, but they’ve already tried that with the pre-Abomination Blonsky and it wasn’t that convincing (besides, Chris Evans isn’t built like Tim Roth to begin with)…

I have a hunch that it’s going to involve motion capture technology in some way, but that’s just speculation.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Captian America always had a powerful image in my mind, not just size but face structure. I don’t see it with chris evans good actor or not, i hope it end up ok. [/quote]

With regards to his build, I think it’s safe to say that Chris Evans will be considerably heavier in the movie. As mentioned earlier, he’ll be hitting the ground running regarding his training, and he’s got the potential to be more developed than, say Ryan Reynolds.

I’ve seen Chris Evans’ workout plan circa FF1, and let’s just say that it isn’t exactly bodybuilder-friendly (five hour-long sessions of cardio per week & a variation on the zone diet). He can add a lot of mass if allowed to.

Marvel aren’t shying away from having characters with powerful builds: we’re about to have Mickey Rourke, and one of the main villains in Thor (played by Joseph Gatt, best known for providing the motion capture for Kratos) is pretty muscular before training for the movie. Rumor has it that he will play Skurge The Executioner…

The point being that they are unlikely to let the villains eclipse the heroes in the physique department. Although looking at Hollywood’s liking for “method” physical preparation, I wouldn’t be suprised if they put Chris Evans through some kind of WW2 boot camp-style training… [/quote]

I don’t understand this pic.