Who Has The Best Genetics?

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:

An interesting note about olympic weightlifting not requiring much speed. There was a study done some years ago (I know some have claimed that it was bullshit, but I’ve personally never seen any definitive proof that it didn’t happen) where they took athletes from many different sports and tested their performance in several tests (40m dash, vertical leap, etc…).

Sentoguy[/quote]

I meant it to read that they excelled in the positions in football that didn’t require much speed (a lot of the offensive line, a passing-dominant quarterback, that kind of shit). I wanted to limit that comment only to football. Olympic weightlifting does require the competitor to create a tremendous amount of velocity onto the bar. I read the same article you did. Olympic Weightlifters did better on the combine style vertical jump test than any other Olympic athletes and had faster 20-Yard Dash Times than anyone else. But Olympic Weightlifters are gifted lifters because they have, among other gifts, the ability to put a lot of velocity on a barbell. I’m realizing I feel kind of stupid trying to defend myself at this point about all this because I really do believe that judging sport specific athletic potential by race is just stupid. All I want to really get across is that white guys who play Pro Football are usually the guys who don’t need to do a lot of running and that Olympic Lifters can jump really high because they’ve trained all their lives to jump a barbell - not because they have good genes for it. In fact, a good Olympic lifter who would have long arms short legs would probably have bad natural levers for being good at the vertical jump.

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[quote]FightingScott wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:

An interesting note about olympic weightlifting not requiring much speed. There was a study done some years ago (I know some have claimed that it was bullshit, but I’ve personally never seen any definitive proof that it didn’t happen) where they took athletes from many different sports and tested their performance in several tests (40m dash, vertical leap, etc…).

Sentoguy

I meant it to read that they excelled in the positions in football that didn’t require much speed (a lot of the offensive line, a passing-dominant quarterback, that kind of shit). I wanted to limit that comment only to football. Olympic weightlifting does require the competitor to create a tremendous amount of velocity onto the bar. I read the same article you did. Olympic Weightlifters did better on the combine style vertical jump test than any other Olympic athletes and had faster 20-Yard Dash Times than anyone else. But Olympic Weightlifters are gifted lifters because they have, among other gifts, the ability to put a lot of velocity on a barbell. I’m realizing I feel kind of stupid trying to defend myself at this point about all this because I really do believe that judging sport specific athletic potential by race is just stupid. All I want to really get across is that white guys who play Pro Football are usually the guys who don’t need to do a lot of running and that Olympic Lifters can jump really high because they’ve trained all their lives to jump a barbell - not because they have good genes for it. In fact, a good Olympic lifter who would have long arms short legs would probably have bad natural levers for being good at the vertical jump.[/quote]

Sorry for missing your intention to confine your example to football. And yes, trying to predict a person’s genetic potential for a sport based simply on one’s “race” (which for the umpeenth time is a socially constructed phenomenon) is stupid.

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[quote]sparkym wrote:
Nikiforos wrote:
sparkym wrote:
It’s simple.

White men can’t jump.

Jonathan Edwards, Sergei Bubka, Patrik Sjöberg, Vyacheslav Voronin, Louis Tsatoumas, Robert Emmiyan

You obviously don’t understand satire OR sarcasm. I was making a joke about political correctness and used a movie title to make a point.

Either way, you’re a moron. Sergei Bubka didn’t have to jump over a bar, he had the assistance of a flexible pole.

Most of what I said after the initial joke was true, I threw in a few racist words, such as n** n** and out-and-out black and even honkey and skinny white boy for balance, just to get some reaction, it worked.

There are rare examples of white jumpers, but they are only rare, Jonathan Edwards holds a WR in the triple jump for example but the majority of jumpers or sprinters, that are good, are black, you may get the odd one white in the top ten of all time.

It’s like saying blacks are shit at sprinting because Alan Wells won in 1980 at the Olympic Games. The fact is the majority of sprinters are black. We all know it’s true. You do get the odd white sprinter.

My point about most strength athletes and weightlifters coming from european countries was valid, as the poster above has clearly shown. Most of the other stuff wasn’t far wrong.

Posting a few examples of white jumpers is all good. Now go and find a few black jumpers or sprinters. You’ll find a lot more.

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Ad hominem aside, I don’t disagree with that point. I follow track and field, and you’re obviously right about sprinters. I don’t agree that it’s the same with jumpers, the high level of domination seen in sprinting isn’t the same with jumping.

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I agree with posters who have said that people who have to work, work hard, and work hard everyday generally are going to succeed in things that are competitive in nature.

I’m Irish (white for any idiots out there) I have 4 brothers, and we all have at least one job each, even my 15 kid brother. Our parents work 6 days a week. I live in an apartment with 3 other guys I know from school, and guess what, we all WORK, and WORK hard. That’s the main point that I think some posters are missing.

If you have it easy, with a cushy upbringing and are raised in a pussi-fied, sanitized environment, how the hell are you supposed to win against people who have had to scratch and claw for everything.

Genetics count, but they sure as hell aren’t the whole reason, I played H.S. football (I know, everyone did) and I made all-league 1st teamer linebacker 3 years straight. Guess what, there were other white guys, and black guys, and spanish guys named to that same team.

I was brought up knowing that I had to outwork everybody else to even stand half a chance at anything; academics, sports, weightlifting, whatever. That is what makes people succeed, what makes them great, that drive to succeed, not just what ethnicity they are

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You morons are uneducated, you have the internet so do your research. Black people are the fastest sprinters and naturally tall and they will do well in sports which a short burst of speed or height is the most beneficial (basketball, footbal and sometimes boxing were the faster guy usually wins).

White people on the other hand are the strongest in the world. 9 out of 10 strongest people in the world are always from Europe, not to mention best in gymnastics, up there in soccer, real wrestling olympics endurance etc…

Best genetics are determined by this though…
Blacks have the highest heart disease, lung disease ( 1 out of 2 blcks have some form of asthma), highest genetic diseases, birth problems, mental problems, highest obesity, shortest life spans and have a much lower iq on average compared to whites etc.
White people and Asians have the best genetics when it comes to the problems stated above, and over 90% of the people that have helped humanity move thousands of years forward are of european descent.

It’s no accident whithe people have influenced/dominated the world for over 2500 years, and if it wasnt for whites most of you other nationalities would still be swinging from trees, having life spans of 20 years, dieing of todays easily curable diseases, hunger etc… Just look at Africa were white people have had the least ammount of influence to see what life would be like if it werent for white people.

Sure some unpleasant things also came out of all the good Whites have contributed to the world, but it sure could have been much worse.

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I’m going to go with Chineese. They need some love.

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Afro-Americans men have a higher sensitivity to testosterone than men of European origin. They have a low number of glutamine molecules in the receptor, making it very effective and efficient at performing its role. This is a genetic trait. (Stevens 2002. American Journal of Psychiatry 159:713-719).

Individuals with this trait have advantages in terms of developing muscle mass, type II fibers, fertility and body fat levels - so it is a good discriminator of ability in power sports. It does however have disadvantages and is a reason for the the fact that men of African origin are more prone to prostrate cancer.

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A good question. I do.

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[quote]Alffi wrote:
Winter olympic medals total:
#1 Norway: 263
#3 United States: 193
#4 Austria: 162
#5 Finland: 142

Winter olympic medals per capita:
#1 Liechtenstein: 266.928 per 1 million people
#2 Norway: 57.2611 per 1 million people
#3 Finland: 27.1874 per 1 million people
#4 Austria: 19.7923 per 1 million people
#5 Switzerland: 13.7535 per 1 million people
#6 Sweden: 11.9973 per 1 million people
#7 Luxembourg: 4.2683 per 1 million people
#8 Netherlands: 4.20552 per 1 million people
#9 Canada: 2.92638 per 1 million people
#10 Estonia: 2.25056 per 1 million people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/spo_win_oly_med_all_tim_percap-medals-all-time-per-capita

Summer olympic medals per capita:

  1. Finland.
  2. Sweden.
  3. Hungary.
  4. Denmark.
  5. Norway.
  6. Bulgaria.
  7. Saint Kitts and Nevis.
  8. Switzerland.
  9. Bahamas, The.
  10. Estonia.
    (USA is 17)
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/spo_sum_oly_med_all_tim_percap-medals-all-time-per-capita

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so obv everyone in the Netherlands are on roids

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LOL

Very entertaining, would read again

4/5

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whoa, thought I was in stormfront for a second.

I lol’d though. Thanks for the great laughs guise.

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Thread resurrected by a first time poster troll after like 18 months. Nice.

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sparkym wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
sparkym wrote:
god is bullshit fuck off

really?

then how come the old testament said God will be born in Bethlehem in person form?

and why do the old testament prophets say when God is born in Bethlehem the world wil base their time system on his birth?

does this sound like the A.D. and B.C. phenomenah?

oops…

your a fool…

but as for genetic differences in sports (and particularly the african american myth):

I grew up in the USA and it is 100% a cultural phenomenah that “whites” and “blacks” are involved in different sports…

in the black neighborhood I live in the fathers take their children at age 2 or three to the track and have them do sprints and run hills daily…fact…

no whites do this…

but more on the african american myth (which is advantageous for some people and particularly the media programmers and their boss and their bosses’ boss and his boss who wears a long decorated robe and wants racial divide in a particular country because it will handicap it): THE STUDY

GROUP 1: “White Children”
given IQ test, told its game, scores average

GROUP 2: “Black Children”
given IQ test, told its game, scores average

GROUP 3: “White Children”
given IQ test, told its IQ test, scores high

GROUP 4: “Black Children”
given IQ test, told its IQ test, scores low

this study has been duplicated countless times for grad school projects…it means YOU become what THEY want

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and more on the african american myth:

1.) I go to a church that is all west africans…

2.) they DO NOT look anything like the african americans…

3.) the african americans are CLEARLY 50% IRISH in the Philadelphia area…

4.) so much for sub-saharan african gene specialization explaining NBA prejudice against whites

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and more:

my friend the all american track athlete who almost made the olympic team…

he was running track from 5 years old year round (like all the kids in this 98% black neighborhood)…

they don’t even have track programs until high school in the white neighborhoods

HE BECOME WHAT THEY WANTED

and me?

I could dunk at age 14…but since I moved to a mostly “Black” school they ridiculed me dunking (because whites dunking is NOT accepted) so much that I NEVER would dunk until I left high school…

then I started hanging out with syrians who did not mock me when high school ended dunking I started to enjoy dunking again…then I was dunking from a step inside the foul line with in 6 months…

I BECAME WHAT THEY WANTED IN HIGH SCHOOL

WORDS TO REMEMBER: CULTURAL AND SOCIAL PRESSURE (from top)

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Yes its true, that most white kids are not exposed to certain sports… Im of European descent and i set several records for the long jump in several of my schools and used to run 10.3s for 100 meters in college, and i do believe that is better than 99.9999 of blacks/ whites or whatever.

I lived in Europe until the age of 10 and until that age the only thing i could practice was playing soccer. There werent even any basketball courts, no track fields, no baseball, so I, like millions of other white kids have never gotten a chance to develop my skill in other sports, even though i can dunk a basketball w. no problem, my dribling sucks and im only 5ft 11.
In other words there are many potential great white athletes in many sports but because they arent exposed to them since young they never develop their skill and are never discovered.

I wasnt even allowed to fight, so boxing lessons was waayy out of the question, and it’s like that w. most white kids.
Karate/MMa those kind of sports are usually allowed in white families thats why alot of whites dominate that field.

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also when whites try basketball in the usa the blacks AND WHITES mock them and discourage them doing “black” things like trying to dunk well

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racism still holds against everyone BUT blacks in popular media actually

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[quote]shizen wrote:
This probably is going to sound stupid, but what nationality do you think naturally has the best genetics in terms of strength and speed. I think African Americans averagely round in at the top, following Russians and Samoans for my top 3.

So who do you think averagely naturally has the best genetics based on what you have seen personally or through t.v. �??Come on it can just be by chance African Americans tend to be better at sports, and Russians tend to do well in strength sports-
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I think white men in general are better in strength sports and people with darker skin tend to be better in endurance sports. Take a look at basketball, it’s an endurance sport, and most of the MVPs are blacks…

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Wtf is the point of this thread? Everything involving Genetics to evolution is RANDOM.