Who Has The Best Genetics?

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[quote]Fitnessdiva wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
scottiscool wrote:
I thought I posted on this topic this morning but maybe not. I basically said what Phil did, different sports favor different genetics.

undeadlift wrote:
I wouldn’t be suprised if African-Americans had the best genetics. Their ancestors were used to work after all.

And then this sort of comment comes out and the thread will spiral totally out of control. Joking or not which I hope you are.

Well, I hope nobody here’s too sensitive. It was just an objective comment.

Let me expound anyway as to avoid any misunderstanding. If you and your children and their children and their children’s children, etc. become gym lovers and lift heavy, chances are that your descendants will inherit genes conducive to heavy lifting. It’s simply an adaptive response that has shaped the genetics of many people.

Actually heredity doesn’t work that way. Unless the genetics were already there and/or throughout the lineage people were procreating with people who had better genetics for lifting. If its just something they do in the family there is no guarantee they would be any good at it no matter how far back it goes.[/quote]

No, but there is something to the notion that those of superior constituion survived the horrors or slavery. It took someone of damn hardy constitution to survive the voyage over here and to survive the rigors of working the fields in the early years. Similarly, there are many in the field of anthropology who believe African-Americans are genetically predisposed to higher blood pressure for similar reasons. It’s hard to believe today, but there was a time when sodium was scarce and it was difficult to get the amount the body needed. This was particularly true in Africa. Those who survived and thrived had bodies who used it efficiently. Good in those days. Not so good today when the saltshaker is a step away.

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[quote]shizen wrote:
rander wrote:
i read on wikipedia that larry allen has an unequipped bench press of 800 pounds.
so its obvious the most genetically gifted race is larry allen, as he doesnt even compete in BP but as a gaurd in the NFL. hes also really fast. 325 pounds is alot of fast. case closed lets move on.

I think it was 700 lbs, yeah he was a beast I think he retired though right? [/quote]

hes on the niners now and still a beast. on wikipedia it says he has a 800 pound BP and during a football game one of the announcers says he has a 800 pound BP. I assumed it was touch and go. ive heard mendelson can do 800 touch and go in the gym raw.

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Disclaimer:Larry Allen is strong as an ox and could do well in powerlifting if he chose

Having said that:
I’ve seen a video of Allen’s 700 lb bench press and he has spotters hands all over the bar with a lift that wouldn’t be close to competition caliber. A 600 lb bench might be closer.

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i think the easiest way to see the genetic differences between blacks, whites, asians etc. is to watch a basketball game and take a look at the the deltiods and arms of the players. it has always been very aparent to me that the black guys arms were far superior to the other players. and the most famous white players are usually known for their shooting (larry bird) and the most famous black player (jordan) hmm… what is he known for. there are no white players that are known for their jumping prowess. not that i watch basketball or anything.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

Your argument is just as flawed as hers. While its easy to say blacks this or that because color is easy to say, fact is you haven’t quantified anything. Before you say blacks are genetically gifted to do anything you would have to define what is your definition of black? If my great grandmother was black but everybody else down the line to me was white are you saying I"m black? or are you saying Africans? Then your saying blacks are genetically gifted towards what? At first I thought you were saying explosiveness, but after fitnessdiva said scandinavians were known for jumping you proceeded to say well whats their strength to weight ratio. Are you now saying that blacks are gifted towards strength to weight ratio? and if someone gives you an example of a group of white people who have great numbers you are going to say something else?

I’ve seen genetically gifted athletes in both races, just the ones I’ve seen that were white were more likely to want to work for their dads company, or hang out with their frat brothers in college. One that didn’t is Brian Urlacher. Speed, Strength, Athletecism weight taken into account he’s as genetically gifted as any of the other blacks in the NFL.

Since training has become better I’ve also seen a rise in the number of white and other races in college sports. So are these whites injecting black serum into themselves, or are blacks not privelaged to athletic training the white people have available.

And the truth is whether anybody feels black people deserve to feel this way or not, black people in predominantly white countries are born feeling like their backs are agains the wall. Since the begining of time the man with his back against the wall and nothing to lose has always had a little more in him. [/quote]

I suggest that certain physical attributes which tend to be more widespread in certain races leads to better performances in certain sports. You discount this and offer what instead? The idea that blacks excel because they feel their back is against the wall? Give me a break.

The arguments that I am making are rooted in evolutionary principles. Certain birds have beaks that allow them to eat foods that are inaccessible to other birds. Maybe certain things that make black people black make them better at certain activities.

I never said that genetically advantaged athletes are limited to the descendents of Africans. I am talking about specificity. Yao Ming is a genetically advantaged Chinese dude. Fine and dandy. But for every 7 foot Chinese guy, there seem to be a ton of 7 foot or near 7 foot black guys. Are you starting to get the picture?

Like whoever it was that I replied to, you still offer no good explanation to account for the virtual dominance of blacks in certain areas. Why, for example, has France or Germany not offered up a lilly white sprinter to beat the likes of Asafa Powell from Jamaica in the 100 meter? Is it because all the lilly white kids from France and Germany haven’t been kicked around sufficiently that they aren’t yet pissed off enough to excel at track? Give me a goddamn break.

The access to training methods is an interesting theory. I argue that blacks, not whites, have had the least access to quality training knowledge and facilities. Now that access is more uniform, blacks dominate. You are suggesting the trend is going in reverse? Okay. Watch a tape of an NBA game from the 1940s. Then watch a tape from last season. Tell me what you see.

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[quote]BALBO wrote:

Croats had very tough history full of long wars that decimated the population.Its Darvinism…survival of the fittest! [/quote]

Then the Jews must be superhuman.

There is no croat gene. Nations are nowadays separated by languages and not by genes. You are probably geneticaly stronger related to a german , hungarian, italian or turk than to your nearest neighbour.

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[quote]eic wrote:
Airtruth wrote:

I suggest that certain physical attributes which tend to be more widespread in certain races leads to better performances in certain sports. You discount this and offer what instead? The idea that blacks excel because they feel their back is against the wall? Give me a break.

The arguments that I am making are rooted in evolutionary principles. Certain birds have beaks that allow them to eat foods that are inaccessible to other birds. Maybe certain things that make black people black make them better at certain activities.

I never said that genetically advantaged athletes are limited to the descendents of Africans. I am talking about specificity. Yao Ming is a genetically advantaged Chinese dude. Fine and dandy. But for every 7 foot Chinese guy, there seem to be a ton of 7 foot or near 7 foot black guys. Are you starting to get the picture?

Like whoever it was that I replied to, you still offer no good explanation to account for the virtual dominance of blacks in certain areas. Why, for example, has France or Germany not offered up a lilly white sprinter to beat the likes of Asafa Powell from Jamaica in the 100 meter? Is it because all the lilly white kids from France and Germany haven’t been kicked around sufficiently that they aren’t yet pissed off enough to excel at track? Give me a goddamn break.

The access to training methods is an interesting theory. I argue that blacks, not whites, have had the least access to quality training knowledge and facilities. Now that access is more uniform, blacks dominate. You are suggesting the trend is going in reverse? Okay. Watch a tape of an NBA game from the 1940s. Then watch a tape from last season. Tell me what you see. [/quote]

Again you are not defining what you are using as a race, nor what physical attributes are widespread in any race. Lacking any backing of any kind. Equivelant to me saying food makes you fat, never mind how much you must eat or what kind of foods you are eating.

You also completely skipped over the fact that even in France and germany there are blacks who feel less privelaged then the “lilly white kids”. Some even claim the racism is worse. So when bringing forth their best athletes they too have to deal with one group with the possibility of a stronger drive to perform.

I’m an avid NBA fan and the 1940’s was a time when black athletes were not allowed to play college basketball so I think that might be why its predominatly white. I was also talking about much more recent times as in early 90’s compared to current crop of athletes and the ones coming up. Even in track and field white american athletes are getting faster.

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considering that theres clear different levers (tendon lengths (think calves)), muscle shapes, bone structures from average black to average white, why is it so hard to believe that could help out (again thinking calves, butt etc)

-besides, white kids are shaped differently that other white kids, why is it so hard to believe that you may be able to generalize sometimes without being offensive and actually just noting an interesting fact?? sheez, is it just not sensative enough?

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[quote]scottiscool wrote:
Disclaimer:Larry Allen is strong as an ox and could do well in powerlifting if he chose

Having said that:
I’ve seen a video of Allen’s 700 lb bench press and he has spotters hands all over the bar with a lift that wouldn’t be close to competition caliber. A 600 lb bench might be closer.[/quote]

really is it on youtube? it would be cool if he went into powerlifting after football.
I had a football coach in highschool who coached linemen at butte college and knew larry allen. It was funny cause he would bring that up everyday.

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Larry Allen Bench Press 225 x 43

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Like many of the others have said, it depends on what sport or task. Strength is usually whites. Speed, mainly because of tendon and limb length, goes to the blacks. Asians are also fast. You have Bruce Lee and Liu Xang (sp?) who is the best Hurdler in the world. Then there is Jeremy Wariner who is white and the fastest 400m runner in the world. He is very close to Michael Johnson status. Samoans are also very gifted genetically.

There are fast black people and there are also fat never-will-be-athlete blacks. The genetic attributes for certain races can vary greatly.

To truly decide the best genetics, we have to look at which race has the best potential in the broadest areas. We have to see which race can produce great athletes anywhere from marathoners to powerlifters. I would have to say the Slavs. They have the ability to specialize and many different areas AND excel at them too.

One more note. I think it is unfair to list ALL blacks as African Americans. Not all blacks are the same just like how not all whites are the same. There is a difference between a Spaniard, French, German, Irish and Russian.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

GENETICS ARE NOT A MEANS TO AN END AS BEING AN ADVANTAGE…PERIOD!?! And to you,…Not all black people have high calfs/glute muscle attachments,higher fast twitch percentages. Nor do all black people have sickle cell and “bad” hair. Do you have a small penis because you’re Asian genetics?? My point exactly.

This thread is doing nothing but showing how stupid and ignorant some people really are. This is getting ridiculous.[/quote]

I guess you’ve never heard of a thing called statistical significance. If you can reference a robust list of scholarly articles that find statistical significance between Asians and smaller penes/penises, I would agree that me being Asian makes it more likely that I have a small penis.

This is pretty much your sorely lacking argument/point:
Not everyone who didn’t study for tests did poorly on the algebra test! 3 guys did pretty well! SHIT THAT MEANS THAT STUDYING FOR THE TEST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW WELL YOU DO ON THE TEST!

The only worthy tidbit in your post is: “This thread is doing nothing but showing how stupid and ignorant some people really are. This is getting ridiculous.”

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[quote]rander wrote:

really is it on youtube? it would be cool if he went into powerlifting after football.
I had a football coach in highschool who coached linemen at butte college and knew larry allen. It was funny cause he would bring that up everyday.[/quote]

It was on the Dallas Cowboys website a long time ago. I’m a Redskins fan and in some friendly trash talking prior to a matchup a Dallas fan sent me it. I think the Skins lost:(

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Who has the best genetics?

I do!

And I know that you all wish you had them, you sorry bastards, but I’m not giving them away, selling them or even accidentally misplacing them for you to pick up inadvertently and make millions of dollars patenting and selling them and offering me no royalties whatsoever.
You can have my genetics when you pry them from my cold dead fingers.
They’re mine, do you hear?
Mine!

Go get your own damn genetics.

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i also read he had a 900+ pound partial squat. anyone know what his DL is?

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
eic wrote:
Airtruth wrote:

I suggest that certain physical attributes which tend to be more widespread in certain races leads to better performances in certain sports. You discount this and offer what instead? The idea that blacks excel because they feel their back is against the wall? Give me a break.

The arguments that I am making are rooted in evolutionary principles. Certain birds have beaks that allow them to eat foods that are inaccessible to other birds. Maybe certain things that make black people black make them better at certain activities.

I never said that genetically advantaged athletes are limited to the descendents of Africans. I am talking about specificity. Yao Ming is a genetically advantaged Chinese dude. Fine and dandy. But for every 7 foot Chinese guy, there seem to be a ton of 7 foot or near 7 foot black guys. Are you starting to get the picture?

Like whoever it was that I replied to, you still offer no good explanation to account for the virtual dominance of blacks in certain areas. Why, for example, has France or Germany not offered up a lilly white sprinter to beat the likes of Asafa Powell from Jamaica in the 100 meter? Is it because all the lilly white kids from France and Germany haven’t been kicked around sufficiently that they aren’t yet pissed off enough to excel at track? Give me a goddamn break.

The access to training methods is an interesting theory. I argue that blacks, not whites, have had the least access to quality training knowledge and facilities. Now that access is more uniform, blacks dominate. You are suggesting the trend is going in reverse? Okay. Watch a tape of an NBA game from the 1940s. Then watch a tape from last season. Tell me what you see.

Again you are not defining what you are using as a race, nor what physical attributes are widespread in any race. Lacking any backing of any kind. Equivelant to me saying food makes you fat, never mind how much you must eat or what kind of foods you are eating.

You also completely skipped over the fact that even in France and germany there are blacks who feel less privelaged then the “lilly white kids”. Some even claim the racism is worse. So when bringing forth their best athletes they too have to deal with one group with the possibility of a stronger drive to perform.

I’m an avid NBA fan and the 1940’s was a time when black athletes were not allowed to play college basketball so I think that might be why its predominatly white. I was also talking about much more recent times as in early 90’s compared to current crop of athletes and the ones coming up. Even in track and field white american athletes are getting faster. [/quote]

Good post Airtruth.

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[quote]Wyaeengee wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:

GENETICS ARE NOT A MEANS TO AN END AS BEING AN ADVANTAGE…PERIOD!?! And to you,…Not all black people have high calfs/glute muscle attachments,higher fast twitch percentages. Nor do all black people have sickle cell and “bad” hair. Do you have a small penis because you’re Asian genetics?? My point exactly.

This thread is doing nothing but showing how stupid and ignorant some people really are. This is getting ridiculous.

I guess you’ve never heard of a thing called statistical significance. If you can reference a robust list of scholarly articles that find statistical significance between Asians and smaller penes/penises, I would agree that me being Asian makes it more likely that I have a small penis.

This is pretty much your sorely lacking argument/point:
Not everyone who didn’t study for tests did poorly on the algebra test! 3 guys did pretty well! SHIT THAT MEANS THAT STUDYING FOR THE TEST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW WELL YOU DO ON THE TEST!

The only worthy tidbit in your post is: “This thread is doing nothing but showing how stupid and ignorant some people really are. This is getting ridiculous.”

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Those “studies” that supposedly measure penis length are often times ridiculous. Sure there are some more legitimate ones. But honestly, how do you think they determine who is “Asian” or “black” or “white”? Does it matter that the population where they are conducting the tests are predominantly “white” or that only a couple of “Asians” are present?

And while we’re on the subject, what does it mean to be “Asian”? Can you define for me what the qualifying characteristics for being “Asian” are? Or how about “black”? What are the characteristics needed to be considered “black”?

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[quote]brian.m wrote:
considering that theres clear different levers (tendon lengths (think calves)), muscle shapes, bone structures from average black to average white, why is it so hard to believe that could help out (again thinking calves, butt etc)

-besides, white kids are shaped differently that other white kids, why is it so hard to believe that you may be able to generalize sometimes without being offensive and actually just noting an interesting fact?? sheez, is it just not sensative enough?
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If someone disagrees with you in a discussion doesn’t mean they are offended it means they think what you said was wrong. Otherwise you would be offended by yourself in your contradicting post.

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Airtruth, so you dont think that people are overly sensitive in today’s society? (*for reference, i live in Canada)

ps, if i’m saying people are overly sensative, how could i take offense to that, however if there was a way-the irony would damn near kill me haha, sorry, i must be tired

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[quote]fattymcfatso wrote:
i think the easiest way to see the genetic differences between blacks, whites, asians etc. is to watch a basketball game and take a look at the the deltiods and arms of the players. it has always been very aparent to me that the black guys arms were far superior to the other players. and the most famous white players are usually known for their shooting (larry bird) and the most famous black player (jordan) hmm… what is he known for. there are no white players that are known for their jumping prowess. not that i watch basketball or anything. [/quote]

You can look to other sports for whites “known for their jumping prowess”, high jump, pole vaulting, triple jump.

In the case of basketball, maybe the “blacks” are just better players?