I’ve seen guys that never truly bail, gravity starts to win the battle and they get rescued by the spotters. Others will stall out for a few seconds and then bail. How do you or would you approach this situation?
I know I’ve thought I was stuck before and I kept pushing and hit the squat. Is there any sort of criteria for figuring out when it isn’t safe to keep grinding on a squat.
Keep pushing no matter what. If you start to go back down, the head judge will instruct the spotters to take the bar.
Stay with the bar. Your spotters will appreciate it.
[quote]Ramo wrote:
Keep pushing no matter what. If you start to go back down, the head judge will instruct the spotters to take the bar.
Stay with the bar. Your spotters will appreciate it. [/quote]
I definitely didn’t mean bail as in collapse, I meant bail as in shake your head no, stay with the bar, and have the spotters help (I know my scenario was poorly worded). Here’s an example of what I meant for the sake of clarity: Russell Yee 282.5 WR 3rd attempt squat @ AAU Worlds - YouTube .
Alright, keep fighting gravity until you win or lose, thanks!
If the bar starts moving down, then say “Take it!”. You won’t get the lift because the bar moved down, and you’re better off controlling it and getting help from the spotters than trying no matter what.
That said, the ONLY time you give up on a lift is if it is something blatantly obvious like that that not only will probably cause you to miss it, but get 3 reds even if you get it up.
I saw that video…it really pissed me off. Complete bullshit.
He had that lift, and it would have gotten whites.
Russell Yee is a strong dude.
[quote]Ramo wrote:
I saw that video…it really pissed me off. Complete bullshit.
He had that lift, and it would have gotten whites.
Russell Yee is a strong dude.[/quote]
No kidding. That really sucks for him. Even if he gets another opportunity for a lift, it would be hard since that one was difficult and would have taxed him pretty heavily. Mentally it would be tough too. Any idea how he did on the do-over?
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
Ramo wrote:
I saw that video…it really pissed me off. Complete bullshit.
He had that lift, and it would have gotten whites.
Russell Yee is a strong dude.
No kidding. That really sucks for him. Even if he gets another opportunity for a lift, it would be hard since that one was difficult and would have taxed him pretty heavily. Mentally it would be tough too. Any idea how he did on the do-over?[/quote]
Didn’t get it…really there was no way he could. That was a true maximal effort.
Still finished the year as 1st team All American on Powerliftingwatch at 220 raw. He beat Schnitzer in that meet by 4 pounds.
Would have been a hell of a lift.
[quote]Ramo wrote:
ouroboro_s wrote:
Ramo wrote:
I saw that video…it really pissed me off. Complete bullshit.
He had that lift, and it would have gotten whites.
Russell Yee is a strong dude.
No kidding. That really sucks for him. Even if he gets another opportunity for a lift, it would be hard since that one was difficult and would have taxed him pretty heavily. Mentally it would be tough too. Any idea how he did on the do-over?
Didn’t get it…really there was no way he could. That was a true maximal effort.
Still finished the year as 1st team All American on Powerliftingwatch at 220 raw. He beat Schnitzer in that meet by 4 pounds.
Would have been a hell of a lift.[/quote]
I don’t understand why he didn’t get it. Is it because the spotter was touching his chest? What was wrong with the lift???
[quote]elano wrote:
I don’t understand why he didn’t get it. Is it because the spotter was touching his chest? What was wrong with the lift???[/quote]
Yeah, the rear spotter touched him. I have no idea why. The head judge did the right thing, but everyone’s hands were tied. Dude just fucked up.
[quote]Ramo wrote:
elano wrote:
I don’t understand why he didn’t get it. Is it because the spotter was touching his chest? What was wrong with the lift???
Yeah, the rear spotter touched him. I have no idea why. The head judge did the right thing, but everyone’s hands were tied. Dude just fucked up.[/quote]
Dang. That sucks.
[quote]Ramo wrote:
elano wrote:
I don’t understand why he didn’t get it. Is it because the spotter was touching his chest? What was wrong with the lift???
Yeah, the rear spotter touched him. I have no idea why. The head judge did the right thing, but everyone’s hands were tied. Dude just fucked up.[/quote]
So he was shaking his head to signal that he didn’t need help? Not shaking his head to indicate he needed help (which is how I understood it initially, but thought it was bizarre as high up as he was).
[quote]mrodock wrote:
Ramo wrote:
elano wrote:
I don’t understand why he didn’t get it. Is it because the spotter was touching his chest? What was wrong with the lift???
Yeah, the rear spotter touched him. I have no idea why. The head judge did the right thing, but everyone’s hands were tied. Dude just fucked up.
So he was shaking his head to signal that he didn’t need help? Not shaking his head to indicate he needed help (which is how I understood it initially, but thought it was bizarre as high up as he was).[/quote]
Yeah clearly shaking his head to say ‘don’t touch the bar.’ Good lesson for everyone to take from that, just do your lift and let everyone else do their job. No need to try and communicate with anybody mid-lift. But he was definitely robbed.
If in a competition squat, you can think clearly enough to realize you are going to miss a lift and shake your head to give up, then you weren’t thinking about driving the bar up enough.
By the time the weights get heavy the head judge should have had time to evaluate the spotters, and / or the guy running the platform, and the competency of the side judges if he has not worked with these people before.
As soon as he sees one of the side judges raise their hand if he is in agreeance or another side judge does the same the lift is over(unless someone has changed the rules dramatically while I have been asleep)
The head judge must have confidence in the side judges and spotters, and the spotters must have confidence in the head judge so they do not judge the lift and come in early they are just ready when they get the word.
The lifter then should have enough confidence to give it his all, and not think about the “what if”.
The only excuse for bailing and risking your spotters getting injured is balance or equipment failure.
I can almost always tell on the way down whether I’m going to get it or not. I can feel that the weight is pulling me into a bad groove. Usually, I squeak out a “take it” when I get down and can’t coem out of the hole. However, If you are coming up with the weight, just keep shoving. If the bar is still sort of moving, there’s still hope. I watched Mike Schwanke hit a PR 1003 at 220 last year.
He popped out of the hole and then stalled, wobbled and then kept slowly shoving to a solid lockout. I think a lot of guys would have bailed on this lift- particularily with PR weight on the bar- by he stuck it out. Here’s a link to the video from the side. The side view does do justice to the raw intensity of Mike’s lift.
I honestly didn’t think the bar was moving, but kept pushing and eventually the bar started inching up.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
If in a competition squat, you can think clearly enough to realize you are going to miss a lift and shake your head to give up, then you weren’t thinking about driving the bar up enough.[/quote]
Don’t be silly and gung ho. Off course you can realise that you aint got it before the spotters realise and say take, or nod head (which isn’t really a signal to take the load anyway!) etc etc. Off the squats I have outright failed in a comp I knew before any spotter made a move.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
I can almost always tell on the way down whether I’m going to get it or not. I can feel that the weight is pulling me into a bad groove. Usually, I squeak out a “take it” when I get down and can’t coem out of the hole. However, If you are coming up with the weight, just keep shoving. If the bar is still sort of moving, there’s still hope. I watched Mike Schwanke hit a PR 1003 at 220 last year.
He popped out of the hole and then stalled, wobbled and then kept slowly shoving to a solid lockout. I think a lot of guys would have bailed on this lift- particularily with PR weight on the bar- by he stuck it out. Here’s a link to the video from the side. The side view does do justice to the raw intensity of Mike’s lift.
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That is absolutely phenomenal
[quote]JoeG254 wrote:
I honestly didn’t think the bar was moving, but kept pushing and eventually the bar started inching up.[/quote]
Way to go Joe! Awesome!
A friend of mine had spotters take the bar before the judge said to take it. She was pretty pissed.
Every time I’ve bailed on a squat (I do it a lot, it is my favorite hobby) I’ve regretted it after the fact. Sometimes I forget to scream, which seems to help the bar go up.
Definitely stay under the bar. I’ve found the fastest way to get the spotters involved is to dip an inch or two.
God, I hate that I sound like an expert here. 