Whats a Respectable Pendlay Row?

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
The OP asked about the Pendlay row, not about a generic row from the floor…that’s the point you’re missing.[/quote]

No, the point you are missing is Pendlay never named the row and only credits himself with suggesting initiating them from the floor, staying parallel, and being explosive.

That is the basic concept. Like I said before, if you are talking to another PL and they say they are doing Pendlays it’s a universal term and nobody gets into some wandering conversation and starts pulling out articles they read on the internet about wether what they are doing is a ‘true’ Pendlay.

You’re making it way too complicated. Put the barbell on the floor, get a tight arch and lift some fucking weight.

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[quote]apwsearch wrote:

[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Are you a grown-ass man? I’m having a hard time believing it at this point. But moving on, that confirms exactly what I’ve been saying. Please tell me how that confirms your point and disproves mine. Since that what was a pretty self-congratulatory closing sentence, I’ll assume you think that was some sort of ace in this argument.[/quote]

I guess my ass is fully grown, haven’t really thought about it.

First off, I’m not parroting a DVD. I am talking about how PL’s perform this movement (because this is the PL forum) based on more than 20 years in the sport and providing a reference point because I can’t find any video of Coan doing them.

Additionally, it confirms my point because he loosely defines it and refers to it as explosive. He doesn’t go into a huge diatribe about how strict it has to be, etc. He just say’s start from the floor, stay as close to parallel as you can and be explosive.

When I talk to someone and they say I am doing Pendlays, or I write a cycle for someone and tell them to do Pendlays (we use them a lot as an accesory on DL days), I mean do rows from the floor and work on a hard arch and staying as close to parallel with the floor as possible.

To those of you questioning my credibility, I’m fine with that. Half the shit I say is just being a ball buster and if it was said person to person the message wouldn’t change but the attitude portrayed would be different.

Over the course of my time on this site I have written training cycles for and meet prepped dozens of people who have contacted me via this site and have even video trained a few of them if they had those capabilities.

Sadly, most of them are no longer here because of bullshit like this but as I have said before, I really don’t give a shit what kind of ‘e-cred’ I have because all it takes is for someone to contact me with questions and I do my best for them. It’s not very visible to anyone but whomever I am working with because most of that is done via email and PM.

I stand on my own two feet and don’t feel compelled to build a horde of nut huggers.

I just have a low tolerance for silly shit and I think the nature of this discussion is in line with some of those driven by the anti-belt brigade.[/quote]

Well there’s a 180 in attitude.

We’re clearly running in circles at this point, and apparently it’s because we disagree on how to interpret what he’s saying. Fine. My stance isn’t changing and neither is yours. Moving on…

Don’t lump me in with those goons. You made a lot of assumptions that are completely bogus.

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[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Well there’s a 180 in attitude.

We’re clearly running in circles at this point, and apparently it’s because we disagree on how to interpret what he’s saying. Fine. My stance isn’t changing and neither is yours. Moving on…

Don’t lump me in with those goons. You made a lot of assumptions that are completely bogus.[/quote]

What, you don’t like the ABB either? Imagine that…

Fine.

Sincerely sorry if I got a little carried away. The name calling is childish and truth be told I was laughing as I wrote it. To me it was kind of a Tropic Thunder (fuck face)/Land of the Lost (suck it) hybrid. It was much more nasty on the internet than it would have come across in person if you knew me. Plus, Sierra Nevada is on sale right now and I was about a 6 pack in when I wrote that.

Keep training hard. I was looking at your log. Some decent work in there.

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“May the good lord blow you up real good!” - John Candy

Its easy to get carried away on forums because you can interpret it so many different ways. I don’t take anything personally very often but i certainty did once upon a time. I hate drama.

Thumbs up on the Sierra Nevada! Craft beer is the bomb!

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This is what would be considered by many to be a “Pendlay Row” :

This, is not:

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[quote]absolute3 wrote:
This is what would be considered by many to be a “Pendlay Row” :

This, is not:

The second vid looks pretty terrible. I really don’t see much benefit to that lift. My lift wasn’t has strict has the first vid though i used more hip action. Something to play around with.

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I’m sure he doesn’t need me to jump to his defense, but just for perspective, the guy in the second vid is our own hungry4more. He posts a lot in BOI. He’s got a high 600’s deadlift and a pretty thick back at around 200 lb IIRC, so in that case, I’d say “sloppy” form or not, he’s gotten pretty good results out of them.

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[quote]A Ninny Mouse wrote:
I’m sure he doesn’t need me to jump to his defense, but just for perspective, the guy in the second vid is our own hungry4more. He posts a lot in BOI. He’s got a high 600’s deadlift and a pretty thick back at around 200 lb IIRC, so in that case, I’d say “sloppy” form or not, he’s gotten pretty good results out of them. [/quote]

Ditto that. Hungry is a beast. Very close to 700 lb dead at 205 ish.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]A Ninny Mouse wrote:
I’m sure he doesn’t need me to jump to his defense, but just for perspective, the guy in the second vid is our own hungry4more. He posts a lot in BOI. He’s got a high 600’s deadlift and a pretty thick back at around 200 lb IIRC, so in that case, I’d say “sloppy” form or not, he’s gotten pretty good results out of them. [/quote]

Ditto that. Hungry is a beast. Very close to 700 lb dead at 205 ish.[/quote]

Deadly!

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[quote]A Ninny Mouse wrote:
I’m sure he doesn’t need me to jump to his defense, but just for perspective, the guy in the second vid is our own hungry4more. He posts a lot in BOI. He’s got a high 600’s deadlift and a pretty thick back at around 200 lb IIRC, so in that case, I’d say “sloppy” form or not, he’s gotten pretty good results out of them. [/quote]

I do them both ways and find them both super effective. But by definition, the second way would not be considered a true “Pendlay Row” due to the significant hip drive.

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You happy now ?

What a worthless debate, and 225 for reps on pendlay isn’t strong.

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This thread illustrates exactly why I never post here.

A respectable row is one that’s heavier than the last one you did. Don’t ask anonymous people on the internet what is a good row because our opinion doesn’t matter. Just try to do better than you did last time and eventually you’ll have what you consider to be a strong lift.

I suppose that form doesn’t truly matter in these as they are not a competitive lift. My bottom line for accessory lifts are to do them however they best work for me. Typically being strict will be safer with less chance of pulling something but there’s always risk vs reward to think of sometimes.

james

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[quote]atypical1 wrote:
This thread illustrates exactly why I never post here.

A respectable row is one that’s heavier than the last one you did. Don’t ask anonymous people on the internet what is a good row because our opinion doesn’t matter. Just try to do better than you did last time and eventually you’ll have what you consider to be a strong lift.

I suppose that form doesn’t truly matter in these as they are not a competitive lift. My bottom line for accessory lifts are to do them however they best work for me. Typically being strict will be safer with less chance of pulling something but there’s always risk vs reward to think of sometimes.

james[/quote]

Well i post to learn. And i can say i learned a few things from this thread!

I’m no technique ninja i use a lot of “cheated” movements. I love training explosively.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I would be impressed with a 315 pendlay row. I would pay money to see 405.

Most people don’t bend over far enough to be what I’d call a pendlay row.[/quote]

right on, show me a 315 pendlay for reps on video, where the person is PERPENDICULAR to the ground, not at 30 degress at the top of the movement
a PENDLAY row, I think some here are basically talking barbell close to yates

that vid posted, too high in my pinon

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strict

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405 for NON Pendlay Rows

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Execute the pendlay row in a three piece suit…now that is “respectable”

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“My version of pendlay row is better!”

“NO! My version is perfect!”

good lord, if it makes your back stronger so that you can fucking bench more, then do it. If not, fucking dont. A “respectable weight” is one that makes you better.

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Do people find these to be a bitch to do with hex plates?

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Do people find these to be a bitch to do with hex plates?[/quote]

Not as bad as deadlifts, but yeah.