[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Do people find these to be a bitch to do with hex plates?[/quote]
Not as bad as deadlifts, but yeah.
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Yeah, it’s miserable. Go to jesupgym.com. If hex are all you have access to they have some real thin 10# bumper plates that are cheap. Buy a set and take them with you to the gym. Put them on the inside of the bar and load the plates outside them. This will solve that problem.
As long as you use collars and keep the weight tight they will last a long time.
What a worthless debate, and 225 for reps on pendlay isn’t strong.
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What you are doing is not strictly a pendlay row the way I understand it.
The problem is that there isn’t a hard criteria for the motion of the movement. It isn’t a touch your chest and then lock it out thing. Its a gray area.
Doing a pendlay row as written by the man himself, 225 isn’t bad.
But there is no reason to talk down to someone for their weight used when you aren’t doing the same movement. I mean, you look to be all the way up in the 45 deg range, which is what I would call a standard row, not a pendlay.
This is Gillingham doing a barbell row, don’t know if this is the sort of body english apwsearch was talking about or not (couldn’t find Gillingham doing Pendlay’s on youtube):
[quote]zombiec wrote:
225 for reps but STRICT reps , that why they are pendlay cus they must be super strict[/quote]
I don’t agree with that at all. They are not a strict movement. You need to keep the chest up and your arch with torso as close to perpendicular as possible but if you are doing them ultra strict you’re not doing them right.
Go over to a chest supported row, then.
My thoughts are if you can pull 400, should be able to do 225 for reps, 500, 315 for reps, 600 365 for reps…if not you either need to do more of them or you’re too focused on being ‘strict’ which to me is just silly with an explosive movement like that.[/quote]
I can pull 450 and I can’t even row 220 for a single.
God I suck at rowing and pullup movements.
[quote]mrodock wrote:
This is Gillingham doing a barbell row, don’t know if this is the sort of body english apwsearch was talking about or not (couldn’t find Gillingham doing Pendlay’s on youtube):
Hey. Where you been?
No, this is not the vid I am looking for. I actually found that one but the one on his DVD shows him doing Pendlays (rows from the floor) as opposed to these.
I did some searching on the net and what I read is that a Gillingham row is where you start with the barbell on the ground, use something close to a snatch grip, and row it up to your nipple line using minimal body english with your lower back and hips.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I did some searching on the net and what I read is that a Gillingham row is where you start with the barbell on the ground, use something close to a snatch grip, and row it up to your nipple line using minimal body english with your lower back and hips.
Does that sound right?[/quote]
I don’t know where you found that but really, Fletch? Has it come to this?
We have a Pendlay row, a Gillingham row, and if I could find some footage we would have a Coan row. Plus all the other posters on this forum.
Listen up, if you posted a video of you doing a row from the floor, we need your last name so we can name it after you. We then need a detailed description of how you did them
This was my whole point. A Pendlay row is performed from the floor with minimial deviation in the angle of the upper torso to the floor.
Why is this becoming so difficult? It’s exhausting. I literally don’t have energy for it.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I did some searching on the net and what I read is that a Gillingham row is where you start with the barbell on the ground, use something close to a snatch grip, and row it up to your nipple line using minimal body english with your lower back and hips.
Does that sound right?[/quote]
I don’t know where you found that but really, Fletch? Has it come to this?
We have a Pendlay row, a Gillingham row, and if I could find some footage we would have a Coan row. Plus all the other posters on this forum.
Listen up, if you posted a video of you doing a row from the floor, we need your last name so we can name it after you. We then need a detailed description of how you did them
This was my whole point. A Pendlay row is performed from the floor with minimial deviation in the angle of the upper torso to the floor.
Why is this becoming so difficult? It’s exhausting. I literally don’t have energy for it.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I did some searching on the net and what I read is that a Gillingham row is where you start with the barbell on the ground, use something close to a snatch grip, and row it up to your nipple line using minimal body english with your lower back and hips.
Does that sound right?[/quote]
I don’t know where you found that but really, Fletch? Has it come to this?
We have a Pendlay row, a Gillingham row, and if I could find some footage we would have a Coan row. Plus all the other posters on this forum.
Listen up, if you posted a video of you doing a row from the floor, we need your last name so we can name it after you. We then need a detailed description of how you did them
This was my whole point. A Pendlay row is performed from the floor with minimial deviation in the angle of the upper torso to the floor.
Why is this becoming so difficult? It’s exhausting. I literally don’t have energy for it.
I tap out.[/quote]
You forgot Kroc Rows
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I dunno… I think db rows are better than Kroc rows…
I’m pulling about 600 and use 245 for fives now with relatively strict form.
It’s all relative. But if that row is up I bet the deadlift will be up and vice versa.
[quote]Broseph21 wrote:
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
[quote]zombiec wrote:
225 for reps but STRICT reps , that why they are pendlay cus they must be super strict[/quote]
I don’t agree with that at all. They are not a strict movement. You need to keep the chest up and your arch with torso as close to perpendicular as possible but if you are doing them ultra strict you’re not doing them right.
Go over to a chest supported row, then.
My thoughts are if you can pull 400, should be able to do 225 for reps, 500, 315 for reps, 600 365 for reps…if not you either need to do more of them or you’re too focused on being ‘strict’ which to me is just silly with an explosive movement like that.[/quote]
I can pull 450 and I can’t even row 220 for a single.
God I suck at rowing and pullup movements.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m pulling about 600 and use 245 for fives now with relatively strict form.
It’s all relative. But if that row is up I bet the deadlift will be up and vice versa.
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I actually think this is good weight as an accesory movement. 245 3x5 is solid. In particular on a DL day where you need to be careful how much volume you add.
My comments about weight handled were relative to walking in the gym, warming up and jumping right into them. Not what is a reasonable weight for accesory movements.
I probably should have made that distinction…in addition to the volumes of detail I neglected.
BTW, now you are obligated to post videos of the ‘tom63’ Row as I am just not buying you do actual Pendlays.
i started doing pendlay rows this past training cycle. i find them much harder than a typical bent over row because there’s no stretch reflex in the bottom to keep the bar moving. i’ll attach two vids that i have of my bent over barbell rows and the pendlay rows. i’ve done over 400lbs for reps with the bent over row with what i think is pretty good form and i’ve done 405 for a few reps with the pendlay row and they were hard as shit. i videoed todays last set with 315. hopefully my form was good enough to actually call them pendlay rows.
here’s my bent over row form-
here’s today’s pendlay rows-
feel free to critique the shit out of them. they seem to work though.
I’m in your camp. Push up the weight and reps in context with your volume and tonnage keeping decent form
. I’ll check back on the weight Josh started me with
.
Personally I find the pendlay style easier than the hold off the floor style keeping decent form .
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m pulling about 600 and use 245 for fives now with relatively strict form.
It’s all relative. But if that row is up I bet the deadlift will be up and vice versa.
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I actually think this is good weight as an accesory movement. 245 3x5 is solid. In particular on a DL day where you need to be careful how much volume you add.
My comments about weight handled were relative to walking in the gym, warming up and jumping right into them. Not what is a reasonable weight for accesory movements.
I probably should have made that distinction…in addition to the volumes of detail I neglected.
BTW, now you are obligated to post videos of the ‘tom63’ Row as I am just not buying you do actual Pendlays.
I’m in your camp. Push up the weight and reps in context with your volume and tonnage keeping decent form
. I’ll check back on the weight Josh started me with
.
Personally I find the pendlay style easier than the hold off the floor style keeping decent form .
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m pulling about 600 and use 245 for fives now with relatively strict form.
It’s all relative. But if that row is up I bet the deadlift will be up and vice versa.
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I actually think this is good weight as an accesory movement. 245 3x5 is solid. In particular on a DL day where you need to be careful how much volume you add.
My comments about weight handled were relative to walking in the gym, warming up and jumping right into them. Not what is a reasonable weight for accesory movements.
I probably should have made that distinction…in addition to the volumes of detail I neglected.
BTW, now you are obligated to post videos of the ‘tom63’ Row as I am just not buying you do actual Pendlays.
Sorry, bud. [/quote]
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Yeah i feel the same way about taking the bar off the floor each rep. It just feels more natural to me.
i started doing pendlay rows this past training cycle. i find them much harder than a typical bent over row because there’s no stretch reflex in the bottom to keep the bar moving. i’ll attach two vids that i have of my bent over barbell rows and the pendlay rows. i’ve done over 400lbs for reps with the bent over row with what i think is pretty good form and i’ve done 405 for a few reps with the pendlay row and they were hard as shit. i videoed todays last set with 315. hopefully my form was good enough to actually call them pendlay rows.
here’s my bent over row form-
here’s today’s pendlay rows-
feel free to critique the shit out of them. they seem to work though.
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Beard strong! I imagine that when you’ve let the beard grow a few more months it will row the bar for you.
i started doing pendlay rows this past training cycle. i find them much harder than a typical bent over row because there’s no stretch reflex in the bottom to keep the bar moving. i’ll attach two vids that i have of my bent over barbell rows and the pendlay rows. i’ve done over 400lbs for reps with the bent over row with what i think is pretty good form and i’ve done 405 for a few reps with the pendlay row and they were hard as shit. i videoed todays last set with 315. hopefully my form was good enough to actually call them pendlay rows.
here’s my bent over row form-
here’s today’s pendlay rows-
feel free to critique the shit out of them. they seem to work though.
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Beard strong! I image that when you’ve let the beard grow a few more months it will row the bar for you.[/quote]
that’s right. once it reaches an epic level i won’t even need to go to the gym anymore.
Hi everybody,I tend to be more of a lurker and just read posts, but this post/saga on Pendlay rows motivated me enough to sign up and add my 2 cents. I’ve recently finished up a 10 week cycle on Madcow’s 5x5.
In the weekly layout I was rowing(pendlay) twice a week and and ended up topping out at 100kg/5 and 105kg/3.Now, this back and forth about strictness and being explosive on Pendlay’s is really part of the same mindset/cues when doing pendlay rows.
The strictness being, that you stay at about parallel to the floor and the explosiveness being, that you explode/accelerate the bar as fast as possible and arch your upper back hard. In my humble opinion I think 225(100kg) is ok, but the real target for anyone serious is 315(142kg). Here’s how I did them during the 5x5 cycle.
