[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
That’s fine, you just won’t be doing a Pendlay row. You’re arguing what the namesake of the freaking lift says about it, not some anonymous internet article. I didn’t say there was anything wrong with a BB row from the floor, but that’s what you’re doing, not a Pendlay row.[/quote]
OK. Like I give a flying fuck what some internet article hunter thinks.
always thought pendlay ows were when your body is in an almost 90 degree and you do them without any legs or extra back movement , just pure arms and upperback…repping 225 like that is hard
I would be impressed with a 315 pendlay row. I would pay money to see 405.
Most people don’t bend over far enough to be what I’d call a pendlay row.
I’ll see if I can’t figure out a way to put a clip of Gilly doing them from my DVD (don’t hold your breath because I suck at that kind of stuff).
To me it’s kind of like anything. You can interpret anyway you want but I think it is a hell of an accesory movement and needs to be done tight but explosive.
[quote]zombiec wrote:
always thought pendlay ows were when your body is in an almost 90 degree and you do them without any legs or extra back movement , just pure arms and upperback…repping 225 like that is hard[/quote]
They are. That’s the fundamental difference. They are initiated from the floor and the aim is to hold your torso as close to perpendicular to the floor as possible.
However, I think you need to be aggressive when you do them.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
That’s fine, you just won’t be doing a Pendlay row. You’re arguing what the namesake of the freaking lift says about it, not some anonymous internet article. I didn’t say there was anything wrong with a BB row from the floor, but that’s what you’re doing, not a Pendlay row.[/quote]
OK. Like I give a flying fuck what some internet article hunter thinks.[/quote]
Cool dude. I guess when someone asks what a respectable paused narrow-grip bench is, I’ll interpret it as touch-and-go wide grip. Since you know, it’s the same thing.
What’s my experience with them? I managed a 275x4 Pendlay row IIRC doing them as he himself describes them. I’ve done 365x7 on BB row and it’s not even close to the same. The OP asked about the Pendlay row, not about a generic row from the floor…that’s the point you’re missing.
I guess I’m going to have to reevaluate my own thoughts about strength on the exercise after reading some of these responses and step my game up. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen a Pendlay Row over 275 on Youtube let alone in real life.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Cool dude. I guess when someone asks what a respectable paused narrow-grip bench is, I’ll interpret it as touch-and-go wide grip. Since you know, it’s the same thing.
What’s my experience with them? I managed a 275x4 Pendlay row IIRC doing them as he himself describes them. I’ve done 365x7 on BB row and it’s not even close to the same. The OP asked about the Pendlay row, not about a generic row from the floor…that’s the point you’re missing.[/quote]
Sweet. Glad to see you agree with me.
Anyway, I tried them as I gathered from the article:
-start with rounded middle and upper back
-start arching from upper back down
-explode the weight off the floor while doing the above
-use my lats to drive my elbows up
-at same time, use my lats to arch my middle/upper back
-finish the concentric with the middle and upper back like they would in the bottom of a press or like a squat (arched really hard with tight squeeze)
Felt a lot more in my lats and upper back and a lot less PC involvement compared to BB rows. I liked the explosive component too. I didn’t like the strength curve. With the barbell row, it’s hardest close to the body, but for the Pendlay rows it was hardest at the bottom and easier at the top (closer to the body). I imagine from the explosiveness of the movement.
I’ll add chains and see if that makes the strength curve work better for me. I’ll increase the amount of sets and decrease the reps/set since it’s an explosive movement (I did 135x2x10, 135x1x8 right after speed benching today). Just a feeler weight and rep range pretty much this time. Maybe a straight 5x5 next time.
[quote]IronAbrams wrote:
I guess I’m going to have to reevaluate my own thoughts about strength on the exercise after reading some of these responses and step my game up. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen a Pendlay Row over 275 on Youtube let alone in real life.[/quote]
No bro, 315 for reps is average.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
No bro, 315 for reps is average.[/quote]
I find your arrogance baffling.
You are aware that Pendlay is an OL coach right? What’s his best PL total? I’m not aware of him having ever posted a total. Maybe he has, but I don’t know about it.
He’s a fantastic coach. Brilliant, perhaps. His accomplishments speak for themselves.
However, do you really think that powerlifters haven’t taken his technique and adapted it to meet their own needs? Would you argue OL and PL are two entirely differnt disciplines?
This is the PL forum. I am telling you how I learned the movement from world class PL’s. You can call it whatever the fuck you want. I’m disinterested in your rhetoric.
I understand you read an article and are now a self-professed expert. Get in line, pal.
You are just like all the litte Westside Barbell/EliteFTS parrots and the other fags who read an article and think they have it all figured out so they decide they are now in a position to assert their silliness on other people. Next thing you know they are leap frogging to another program and performing the same act. It’s bullshit.
I don’t accept a single written word of yours in the context of this forum and think you need to scamper off somewhere else where you can convice people with less applied experience of your ‘expertise’ because I am not buying it. Maybe try the beginners forum. Perhaps you can help some 150# guy get RIPPED.
To me, you’re just another, “I read an article and now I know it all,” waste of oxygen.
Seriously, save it. You’re like arguing with an 11 year old.
But, but…this is what I read.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
No bro, 315 for reps is average.[/quote]
I find your arrogance baffling.
You are aware that Pendlay is an OL coach right? What’s his best PL total? I’m not aware of him having ever posted a total. Maybe he has, but I don’t know about it.
He’s a fantastic coach. Brilliant, perhaps. His accomplishments speak for themselves.
However, do you really think that powerlifters haven’t taken his technique and adapted it to meet their own needs? Would you argue OL and PL are two entirely differnt disciplines?
This is the PL forum. I am telling you how I learned the movement from world class PL’s. You can call it whatever the fuck you want. I’m disinterested in your rhetoric.
I understand you read an article and are now a self-professed expert. Get in line, pal.
You are just like all the litte Westside Barbell/EliteFTS parrots and the other fags who read an article and think they have it all figured out so they decide they are now in a position to assert their silliness on other people. Next thing you know they are leap frogging to another program and performing the same act. It’s bullshit.
I don’t accept a single written word of yours in the context of this forum and think you need to scamper off somewhere else where you can convice people with less applied experience of your ‘expertise’ because I am not buying it. Maybe try the beginners forum. Perhaps you can help some 150# guy get RIPPED.
To me, you’re just another, “I read an article and now I know it all,” waste of oxygen.
Seriously, save it. You’re like arguing with an 11 year old.
But, but…this is what I read.[/quote]
Do you have a vid or a detailed explanation of how you do your Pendlay rows? I just want to know how to do this PL modified Pendlay row.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Do you have a vid or a detailed explanation of how you do your Pendlay rows? I just want to know how to do this PL modified Pendlay row.[/quote]
I can’t tell on the internet if you are being a ball buster or not but like I said before, buy Gillingham’s DL DVD. You won’t regret it.
Lastly, from a T-Nation interview with Pendlay:
T NATION: Not many coaches have exercises named after them. You do. What are Pendlay Rows?
Pendlay: Well, I didn’t give them this name myself. Someone else started calling them that and it kind of got traction.
Basically, this came about because I advocated doing rows in such a way as to keep the back parallel or near parallel to the floor the whole lift, return the bar to the floor between each rep, and explosively attempt to flex the thorasic spine on each rep. Very different than a standard barbell row.
Jus’ row the shit.
@apwsearch How strong are you? Can we see some vids?
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
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I’m very much aware of that, and I assume he made this lift to help his lifters. Personally I think reducing hip involvement in this lift would probably benefit an olympic lifter, so it makes perfect sense to me that he advocates keeping it strict.
Wading through the rest of that bullshit, I’ll respond thusly: I read that article months ago when I wanted to learn how to do a fucking PENDLAY ROW, not apwsearch’s modification of it. When the OP asks about a PENDLAY ROW, I’ll assume that’s what he means. Nowhere did I advocate abandoning other, heavier rows, but the OP didn’t ask a question about them.
Cool name-drops…still don’t care. I’ll trust Pendlay’s name-drops over those of a faceless clown on the internet. Since you seem to be harping on this point about me being an article expert, how are you different? Apparently you’re parroting some DVD. No one has any reason to trust your credibility on here, so your word means exactly jack shit.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Do you have a vid or a detailed explanation of how you do your Pendlay rows? I just want to know how to do this PL modified Pendlay row.[/quote]
I can’t tell on the internet if you are being a ball buster or not but like I said before, buy Gillingham’s DL DVD. You won’t regret it.
Lastly, from a T-Nation interview with Pendlay:
T NATION: Not many coaches have exercises named after them. You do. What are Pendlay Rows?
Pendlay: Well, I didn’t give them this name myself. Someone else started calling them that and it kind of got traction.
Basically, this came about because I advocated doing rows in such a way as to keep the back parallel or near parallel to the floor the whole lift, return the bar to the floor between each rep, and explosively attempt to flex the thorasic spine on each rep. Very different than a standard barbell row.
So, suck it Heavy “overly thinking what I do but I’m better than you because I am doing them strict based on an article I read” Triple fuckface.
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Are you a grown-ass man? I’m having a hard time believing it at this point. But moving on, that confirms exactly what I’ve been saying. Please tell me how that confirms your point and disproves mine. Since that what was a pretty self-congratulatory closing sentence, I’ll assume you think that was some sort of ace in this argument.
I basically mocked the “pendlay row” in this article.
I think setting the bar on the floor is what really made the difference for me, i did use a rounded upper back though and extended it like the stronglifts article indicated for pendlay rows, much like i deadlift. However, I used some hip extension on the heaviest set.
It felt right whatever i was doing. 
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
So, suck it Heavy “overly thinking what I do but I’m better than you because I am doing them strict based on an article I read” Triple fuckface.
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Serious attitude issues severely affect your credibility. Here and on other forums. I always have to wonder about people who resort to this level of insult.
[quote]HeavyTriple wrote:
Are you a grown-ass man? I’m having a hard time believing it at this point. But moving on, that confirms exactly what I’ve been saying. Please tell me how that confirms your point and disproves mine. Since that what was a pretty self-congratulatory closing sentence, I’ll assume you think that was some sort of ace in this argument.[/quote]
I guess my ass is fully grown, haven’t really thought about it.
First off, I’m not parroting a DVD. I am talking about how PL’s perform this movement (because this is the PL forum) based on more than 20 years in the sport and providing a reference point because I can’t find any video of Coan doing them.
Additionally, it confirms my point because he loosely defines it and refers to it as explosive. He doesn’t go into a huge diatribe about how strict it has to be, etc. He just say’s start from the floor, stay as close to parallel as you can and be explosive.
When I talk to someone and they say I am doing Pendlays, or I write a cycle for someone and tell them to do Pendlays (we use them a lot as an accesory on DL days), I mean do rows from the floor and work on a hard arch and staying as close to parallel with the floor as possible.
To those of you questioning my credibility, I’m fine with that. Half the shit I say is just being a ball buster and if it was said person to person the message wouldn’t change but the attitude portrayed would be different.
Over the course of my time on this site I have written training cycles for and meet prepped dozens of people who have contacted me via this site and have even video trained a few of them if they had those capabilities.
Sadly, most of them are no longer here because of bullshit like this but as I have said before, I really don’t give a shit what kind of ‘e-cred’ I have because all it takes is for someone to contact me with questions and I do my best for them. It’s not very visible to anyone but whomever I am working with because most of that is done via email and PM.
I stand on my own two feet and don’t feel compelled to build a horde of nut huggers.
I just have a low tolerance for silly shit and I think the nature of this discussion is in line with some of those driven by the anti-belt brigade.