[quote]brian.m wrote:
first of all, i’ve yet to ever see a legit 35" standing 2 foot vertical by a girl…ever, online, anywhere in the world[/quote]
Its listed as 30" according to her profile on the NBC olympics website and by the NY Times.
elih8er, sorry i must not have been clear, the main reason i didnt believe was because shes a female (thats going to get me in trouble i’m sure)…and i just havnt seen any females ever jump over 30" legit standing vert , nevermind a 300 lb one
if you go back to my post with that frame of mind, i’m sure we should be agreeing with more than we disagree with
EDIT…now that i see it was 30" not 35", i eat my words (could have sworn it said 35" above but who cares)
-that is much more believeable, (although i’d be inclined to shave a couple inches as most gain a couple while measuring, but thats neither here nor there), but yeah, i’ll buy the 30inch vert, so again…words are eaten
edit edit…sorry about the highjack, i always like these threads and i got carried away cluttering it up
to debra, one of my female friends that squats doublebodyweight cleans probably about 30 lbs over bodyweight, she is a bobsledder, but i think bodyweight clean would be a great first goal for you, what part is the hardest part for you? the pull, squat, just feels too heavy on the floor or what?
[quote]brian.m wrote:
elih8er, sorry i must not have been clear, the main reason i didnt believe was because shes a female (thats going to get me in trouble i’m sure)…and i just havnt seen any females ever jump over 30" legit standing vert , nevermind a 300 lb one
if you go back to my post with that frame of mind, i’m sure we should be agreeing with more than we disagree with[/quote]
No offense taken. I agree. If you have seen pictures of her, it is difficult to imagine. If I saw her walking down the street, I would have great difficulty believing at one time she could clean and jerk a 160 kgs. Seeing her in a singlet is quite disturbing as well, especially when she is wearing a weight belt…
Most woman do not jump well due to lack of test levels, even if they have good relative strength level. They also don’t tend to have that ommph or snappy appearance when moving. But you get the odd freak
this girl is the highest jumping female in the world ever. Mireya Lius, Cuban volleyball player
and she has around a 36 inch vertical jump and around 40 off a run.
stats from an old Volleyball mag I have from 1994
27 years old 69kg 152lbs
175cm 5’9" tall
spike reach 335cm 11’
2 hand block 316cm 10’4.4"
2 hand block is a standing jump with 2 hands
she’s had 2 kids and a knee reconstruction and can dunk like an NBA pro 
I don’t see any female olympic lifters getting near her to be honest. She jumps higher than 95% of all men at any bodyweight. She just has better structure and levers than female oly lifters for jumping
[quote]elih8er wrote:
brian.m wrote:
elih8er, no disrespect, but this goes back to not believing everything you read, but that is just untrue (i very well beleive you read that in the magazine but its still not true)
Anyone who gets USAW quarterly saw the same thing (published by the USAW). I do not doubt it. It may have been 30 inches, I forget, but Hayworth is stupid strong for a woman. [/quote]
That seems a bit more believable then.
30 inches is still extremely impressive for a female, let alone at over 300lb.
[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
Most woman do not jump well due to lack of test levels, even if they have good relative strength level. They also don’t tend to have that ommph or snappy appearance when moving. But you get the odd freak
this girl is the highest jumping female in the world ever. Mireya Lius, Cuban volleyball player
and she has around a 36 inch vertical jump and around 40 off a run.
stats from an old Volleyball mag I have from 1994
27 years old 69kg 152lbs
175cm 5’9" tall
spike reach 335cm 11’
2 hand block 316cm 10’4.4"
2 hand block is a standing jump with 2 hands
she’s had 2 kids and a knee reconstruction and can dunk like an NBA pro
I don’t see any female olympic lifters getting near her to be honest. She jumps higher than 95% of all men at any bodyweight. She just has better structure and levers than female oly lifters for jumping[/quote]
Damn, that was sick. It was so effortless that it doesn’t even look that high until you see the shot from ground level.
thats Insane CoolColJ! thx for the link
Cilit bang
oh, sorry, my bad
[quote]elih8er wrote:
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Am I the only one that thinks this pictures is f#cking hilarious? I dont know what it is but seeing a guy like that practically float just cracks me up.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
I believe the study you are thinking of turned out to be purely fictional.
[/quote]
it was at the Mexico City Olympics and the weightlifters had the highest vert and faster 20 meter…
(of all athletes)
I’ve seen it cited in articles in the fitness industry before a billion times it seems and one guy even specified some russian researchers…
I think it is legit…
[quote]HBergeron wrote:
Here’s Pyrros Dimas showing his hops.
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/08/28/cg_108096272_gallery__550x412.jpg [/quote]
nice picture…
superimpose a basketball in his hand and then remember that he had no running start…
and then remember that he just lifted a world record and it is still bouncing in front of him and he had no rest time and this is basically his “second rep” after a world record “rep”…
then remember he isn’t even trying to jump high but rather just celebrating…
Who said “White man can’t jump”? (this is Marc Huster after setting the world record in the C & J with no rest period haha, arguably one of the greatest 85kg ever but, was over-shadowed by the aforementioned DIMAS) HAHA…I have been away from all the great debates (or lack their of). I have defintly heard about Shane Hammond and his hops.
With regard to powerlifting as mentioned before it is really hard to compare the two. One sport uses gear and one does not. I know Hammond squatted over 1k, high bar squat? I am not sure if he used gear or not, i would assume NO because i have never heard of any OLY lifters using gear in training for any reason because that would be counterproductive. Also, these guys never do any benching the closest they might do as far as benching goes is a push press or military press. Yet, they would have no problem pushing impressive numbers on the flat bench without even training it (can’t think of examples off the top of my head).
Alffi Should know that OLY are suprior for athletics i mean you are from Finland greatest Javelin country in the world, you can bet your ass that jan zelezny was doing his Olympic Lifts.
[quote]newbatman wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
I believe the study you are thinking of turned out to be purely fictional.
it was at the Mexico City Olympics and the weightlifters had the highest vert and faster 20 meter…
(of all athletes)
I’ve seen it cited in articles in the fitness industry before a billion times it seems and one guy even specified some russian researchers…
I think it is legit…[/quote]
Yep, that’s the one I was thinking of. I’m pretty sure it turned out to be fake.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
I believe the study you are thinking of turned out to be purely fictional.
it was at the Mexico City Olympics and the weightlifters had the highest vert and faster 20 meter…
(of all athletes)
I’ve seen it cited in articles in the fitness industry before a billion times it seems and one guy even specified some russian researchers…
I think it is legit…
Yep, that’s the one I was thinking of. I’m pretty sure it turned out to be fake.
[/quote]
I don’t think its fake…
it was just written about in a huge article recently at bb.com…
I think you don’t want it to be true so you just ignore all the people citing it…
somebody please post it…
[quote]newbatman wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
I believe the study you are thinking of turned out to be purely fictional.
it was at the Mexico City Olympics and the weightlifters had the highest vert and faster 20 meter…
(of all athletes)
I’ve seen it cited in articles in the fitness industry before a billion times it seems and one guy even specified some russian researchers…
I think it is legit…
Yep, that’s the one I was thinking of. I’m pretty sure it turned out to be fake.
I don’t think its fake…
it was just written about in a huge article recently at bb.com…
I think you don’t want it to be true so you just ignore all the people citing it…
somebody please post it…[/quote]
You won’t find it. All that you will find are vague references to it in badly written articles.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
I believe the study you are thinking of turned out to be purely fictional.
it was at the Mexico City Olympics and the weightlifters had the highest vert and faster 20 meter…
(of all athletes)
I’ve seen it cited in articles in the fitness industry before a billion times it seems and one guy even specified some russian researchers…
I think it is legit…
Yep, that’s the one I was thinking of. I’m pretty sure it turned out to be fake.
I don’t think its fake…
it was just written about in a huge article recently at bb.com…
I think you don’t want it to be true so you just ignore all the people citing it…
somebody please post it…
You won’t find it. All that you will find are vague references to it in badly written articles.
[/quote]There was a discussion about it recently on a WL board. The consensus seemed to be that it does not exist.
http://www.goheavy.com/forums/olympic/
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
newbatman wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
I believe the study you are thinking of turned out to be purely fictional.
it was at the Mexico City Olympics and the weightlifters had the highest vert and faster 20 meter…
(of all athletes)
I’ve seen it cited in articles in the fitness industry before a billion times it seems and one guy even specified some russian researchers…
I think it is legit…
Yep, that’s the one I was thinking of. I’m pretty sure it turned out to be fake.
I don’t think its fake…
it was just written about in a huge article recently at bb.com…
I think you don’t want it to be true so you just ignore all the people citing it…
somebody please post it…
You won’t find it. All that you will find are vague references to it in badly written articles.
There was a discussion about it recently on a WL board. The consensus seemed to be that it does not exist.
http://www.goheavy.com/forums/olympic/
[/quote]
so you quote a forum and not the article at the webiste mentioned that cites by name the researchers?
[quote]Alffi wrote:
There was a discussion about it recently on a WL board. The consensus seemed to be that it does not exist.
[/quote]
translation: “truth please stop hurting me…please go away”
yessis was his name
[quote]newbatman wrote:
Alffi wrote:
There was a discussion about it recently on a WL board. The consensus seemed to be that it does not exist.
translation: “truth please stop hurting me…please go away”
yessis was his name
[/quote]
Ok now I remember.
There was a discussion about it at elitetrack.com, and one of the posters emailed Yessis about it. Yessis had no recollection of it.
If you do a search of the site you should be able to find the thread. I’m not interested enough to do it myself.
I love the lifts, and I think if they’re well-coached they can add a lot to other sports, BUT even IF this mythical study exists, it is extremely likely that excellent vertical jump and short sprint performance from these lifters is due more to the general means (squat and front squat) that these lifters do on a regular basis than to the lifts themselves.
I dislike equally the people who dismiss the classic lifts entirely, and those who make them out to be the be-all, end-all of strength training for sport.