(on the famous Mexico Olympics study where Olympic Lifters were the highest jumpers in vertical jump and fastest runners for 20 meter sprint times of all athletes)
"Ok now I remember.
There was a discussion about it at elitetrack.com, and one of the posters emailed Yessis about it. Yessis had no recollection of it.
If you do a search of the site you should be able to find the thread. I’m not interested enough to do it myself."
[/quote]
All right…official notice: You are delusional.
let’s summarize your argument:
Some guy from some internet forum “Benchasaurus” claims he emailed an 80 year old researcher in russia who does not speak english about a study 40 years ago and “Benchasaurus” claims that the 80 year old russian researcher said in his reply email that he doesn’t remember as part of God knows what the researcher wrote or tried to write in this alleged email…
therefore:
A.) the published study is a fraud
B.) the many world famous participants are all lying and they are in on the conspiracy too
C.) the fraudulent study was published to irritate power lifters especially on internet forums who argue with olympic lifters
D.) Yessis saying in a alleged email response email to “Benchasaurys” he “doesn’t remember” means he knew what “Benchasaurus” was asking in english and the 80 year old russian speaker asserting in english that he does not recall even doing the study and not trying to say something else in poor english rather than he could or didn’t feel like answering some skeptic in an email about exhaustive details in a study 40 years ago that is already famous and published and that has numerous follow up studies showing the same thing…
E.) “Benchasaurus” and his internet forum post 40 years later is more reliable than a research journal and its peer review board of the study…and this forum post wipes the study off the books as a fraud conspiracy…
you really don’t like the truth because it beats your argument…
You seem to be taking the existence of this article wholly on faith. I have seen it referred to many times, but never cited with the researchers’ names, date of publication, or journal in which it was published. I’m pro-olympic lifting all the way, but unless you can produce this study, the evidence suggests that it’s an urban legend in the strength sports community. Hatfield doesn’t cite it, it doesn’t come up in any search of Yessis’ published work, it’s nowhere on pubmed…it literally is NOWHERE to be found.
Who participated? Who performed the study? Where was it published? If you can’t provide any evidence as to its existence other than various “references” that can’t provide any identifying information, why would anyone assume on faith that it exists? You’re being rather irrational about this.
(on the famous Mexico Olympics study where Olympic Lifters were the highest jumpers in vertical jump and fastest runners for 20 meter sprint times of all athletes)
"Ok now I remember.
There was a discussion about it at elitetrack.com, and one of the posters emailed Yessis about it. Yessis had no recollection of it.
If you do a search of the site you should be able to find the thread. I’m not interested enough to do it myself."
All right…official notice: You are delusional.
let’s summarize your argument:
Some guy from some internet forum “Benchasaurus” claims he emailed an 80 year old researcher in russia who does not speak english about a study 40 years ago and “Benchasaurus” claims that the 80 year old russian researcher said in his reply email that he doesn’t remember as part of God knows what the researcher wrote or tried to write in this alleged email…
therefore:
A.) the published study is a fraud
B.) the many world famous participants are all lying and they are in on the conspiracy too
[/quote]
Who are the world famous participants?
I’m not a powerlifter.
Show me these follow up studies showing the same thing.
??-Original Message??-
From: mortac8
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:57 AM
To: dryessis@
Subject: weightlifter vs sprinter 30m dash study
Dr. Yessis,
I often hear about the study (done by you, I believe) that compared short
sprint times of weightlifter and sprinters. It showed that weightlifters
had better starting speed than olympic sprinter. Where can I find this
study? Thanks!
don’t recall if I mentioned a study or wrote up what I learned in the
Soviet weightlifing literature. The information should read that world
class weightlifters can out do world class sprinters for the first 5-10
meters. Also, some had better absolute vericals but especially in relation
to their size as for example Alexeyev. This does not apply to all
weightlifters, only the better ones
Michael Yessis, Ph.D
Professor Emeritus, CSUF
President, Sports Training, Inc. dryessis@dryessis.com http://www.dryessis.com
760-480-0558
So it seems that the Yessis simply translated some research from the Soviet literature.
And again, this likely has much less to do with the execution of the lifts themselves, and more to do with the high volume and intensity of other, more general means like back squats, different varieties of jumps, etc.
Nope. Not on google scholar. Not on PubMed. Not on Yessis’ website. I just did a search through Princeton University’s research journal databases and it’s not there either.
I even asked the Thinker on Elitefts, who has a great command of Soviet and weightlifting literature. He did not know of the study (although said if anywhere, it might be found in Bondarchuk’s Transfer of Training–too bad I left mine back at school for now), but said that data of this nature (i.e. comparing weightlifters and other athletes) was certainly collected in the USSR.
This would seem to echo what was posted above–that no actual study was conducted at the 1968 Olympics, although the data may have been translated by Yessis at some point.
It makes NO SENSE for any athlete or coach to allow such tests to be run AT THE OLYMPICS. Newbatman, you are displaying some really, really poor inductive reasoning skills here.
[quote]newbatman wrote:
I am going to lift weights…
the email from “chestbumpy” the internet forum conspiracy theorist shows rather the exact opposite and Yessis does remember it…
but can someone post the raw data…
just search for “Yessis” “research journal” on yahoo…
but if you need to go into archives at a website then someone with a research journal site subscription can probably get the data…
the data will show what all other similar studies show…
these are the best jumpers and sprint starters…[/quote]
After reading some of your posts in other threads I have realized that you are probably a troll. This will be the last time I bother responding to any of your posts.
Yessis certainly didn’t seem to remember conducting a huge study at the Mexico city Olympics as has been claimed. What he recalls is what he read in the soviet literature.
He also didn’t exactly say that weightlifters are the best jumpers. He said that “some” had better absolute verticals.
Also your initial claim was that they could beat the sprinters to 20m. Yessis says 5-10m.
You also have to factor in that this research is from a time when weight training was much less widespread among non weightlifting athletes. I would be very surprised if elite weightlifters could beat guys like Maurice Green even to 5m.
For the record, I actually like oly lifts when applied correctly. I just think that their benefits to athletic performance often get greatly exaggerated.
PS, If you aren’t a troll I seriously suggest you get some psychological treatment.
[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
newbatman wrote:
I am going to lift weights…
the email from “chestbumpy” the internet forum conspiracy theorist shows rather the exact opposite and Yessis does remember it…
but can someone post the raw data…
just search for “Yessis” “research journal” on yahoo…
but if you need to go into archives at a website then someone with a research journal site subscription can probably get the data…
the data will show what all other similar studies show…
these are the best jumpers and sprint starters…
After reading some of your posts in other threads I have realized that you are probably a troll. This will be the last time I bother responding to any of your posts.
Yessis certainly didn’t seem to remember conducting a huge study at the Mexico city Olympics as has been claimed. What he recalls is what he read in the soviet literature.
He also didn’t exactly say that weightlifters are the best jumpers. He said that “some” had better absolute verticals.
Also your initial claim was that they could beat the sprinters to 20m. Yessis says 5-10m.
You also have to factor in that this research is from a time when weight training was much less widespread among non weightlifting athletes. I would be very surprised if elite weightlifters could beat guys like Maurice Green even to 5m.
For the record, I actually like oly lifts when applied correctly. I just think that their benefits to athletic performance often get greatly exaggerated.
PS, If you aren’t a troll I seriously suggest you get some psychological treatment.
[quote]Sneaky weasel wrote:
Nope. Not on google scholar. Not on PubMed. Not on Yessis’ website. I just did a search through Princeton University’s research journal databases and it’s not there either.
I even asked the Thinker on Elitefts, who has a great command of Soviet and weightlifting literature. He did not know of the study (although said if anywhere, it might be found in Bondarchuk’s Transfer of Training–too bad I left mine back at school for now), but said that data of this nature (i.e. comparing weightlifters and other athletes) was certainly collected in the USSR.
This would seem to echo what was posted above–that no actual study was conducted at the 1968 Olympics, although the data may have been translated by Yessis at some point.
It makes NO SENSE for any athlete or coach to allow such tests to be run AT THE OLYMPICS. Newbatman, you are displaying some really, really poor inductive reasoning skills here.[/quote]