I would not be surprised if there were less than … 3-5 people on the planet that could do ALL of these. In fact I don’t think I’d be incredibly shocked to find there are actually 0, but I wouldn’t bet on it either cause absolutes are pretty stupid.
I’m sure it creates a fun goal to shoot for, but there’s ‘elite’ and then there’s some higher up category, and that’s what these numbers are. I don’t mean to come off as poo-pooing on something you and Jim probably came up with for entertainment/carrot on a stick effect, but it does seem a little out there.
Also FWIW I think people are glossing over the 315x20 bench, which seems to be the easiest out of them(not that it is an easy goal itself, but I mean look at that bench contest rxmuscle did, didn’t 3-4 people hit 20+? I doubt there was a guy in the room that could’ve done the other feats except maybe the dips since it corresponds with tricep strength).
[quote]red04 wrote:
I would not be surprised if there were less than … 3-5 people on the planet that could do ALL of these. In fact I don’t think I’d be incredibly shocked to find there are actually 0, but I wouldn’t bet on it either cause absolutes are pretty stupid.
I’m sure it creates a fun goal to shoot for, but there’s ‘elite’ and then there’s some higher up category, and that’s what these numbers are. I don’t mean to come off as poo-pooing on something you and Jim probably came up with for entertainment/carrot on a stick effect, but it does seem a little out there.[/quote]
i think it’s an awesome goal to shoot for and definitely can be done. maybe not all at the same time but definitely individually over time… at least that’s what i’ve convinced myself of.
i think it’s an awesome goal to shoot for and definitely can be done. maybe not all at the same time but definitely individually over time… at least that’s what i’ve convinced myself of. [/quote]
Individually over time would make a lot more sense… cause you’ll need some serious mass for the squat/deadlift/bench goals, and that mass will make the pullups extremely difficult(not impossible though).
[quote]red04 wrote:
Individually over time would make a lot more sense… cause you’ll need some serious mass for the squat/deadlift/bench goals, and that mass will make the pullups extremely difficult(not impossible though).[/quote]
Hmmmmmmmmmm…you mean you could build serious muscle mass just by squatting, deadlifting, benching, and chinning working towards those goals and doing little else?
Interesting…
The one thing I have found to be true over the years, is the less crap I did, the better I got at everything else I did do. Which is why now I basically squat, dead, bench, incline/overhead, chin and not a lot else.
I lift twice a week, I condition hard three or four days a week. I squat one week, deadlift the other. These are things we found that work best/great for us at this stage in our lifting life. I wish I had learned these lessons 10-15 years ago. I guess better late than never.
[quote]red04 wrote:
Individually over time would make a lot more sense… cause you’ll need some serious mass for the squat/deadlift/bench goals, and that mass will make the pullups extremely difficult(not impossible though).[/quote]
Hmmmmmmmmmm…you mean you could build serious muscle mass just by squatting, deadlifting, benching, and chinning working towards those goals and doing little else?
Interesting…
The one thing I have found to be true over the years, is the less crap I did, the better I got at everything else I did do. Which is why now I basically squat, dead, bench, incline/overhead, chin and not a lot else.
I lift twice a week, I condition hard three or four days a week. I squat one week, deadlift the other. These are things we found that work best/great for us at this stage in our lifting life. I wish I had learned these lessons 10-15 years ago. I guess better late than never.[/quote]
I think you’re reading more into what I wrote than what is there, or perhaps you were agreeing and adding on to the point about those being great ways to add said mass that is required for huge lifts. I won’t argue against those movements for adding meat, because that would be incredibly stupid =p
[quote]red04 wrote:
I would not be surprised if there were less than … 3-5 people on the planet that could do ALL of these. In fact I don’t think I’d be incredibly shocked to find there are actually 0, but I wouldn’t bet on it either cause absolutes are pretty stupid.
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I bet Mariusz, Poundstone, and probably Kevin Nee can do all of them. KK and Efferding can probably hang as well. Sounds like pretty elite company to me.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
deadlift night- everything is progressing nicely. i came up with a plan to hit the deadlift goal of 500x20. I’ve decided to pull against bands for reps with 405 for 10 reps and then increase the reps with 405 until i reach 20. then, i’ll up the weight to 455, starting over at 10 reps and working back up to 20. the bands add approximately 100lbs at lockout. once i can hit 455 x 20 against bands i should be golden for 500 x 20. my goal for tonight was 405 x 10 against bands. i hit that pretty easily. next time my goal will be 15 reps. i also used my t-rex deadlift technique for the first time with some moderate weight. i really like it. i’m stick’n with it.
anyway… this is what i did after my normal ME dead routine
deadlift against minibands
315x4
405x10- this was a good start towards my goal.
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Man, just throw some straps on and do it touch and go. I bet you can. Maybe that wouldn’t count though, nevermind.
accessory day- i set baselines on three more lifts pertaining to the “what constitutes strong” thread. the first was strict standing military press. i had no idea where to start so i decided to go with a BW starting baseline of 250. i hit this easily. the next lift was pullups from a deadhang. i pulled a trap muscle a couple weeks ago doing bw +100lbs on pullups when i dropped for the 1st rep so i’m starting light on these to let it heal. I hit BW +45 x 6. the last lift was strict barbell curl. again… i haven’t done a barbell curl in forever. i decided to start with 135. i hit that for a strict 8 reps. i feel pretty good about those baselines considering for the military press and barbell curls, i haven’t done those in ages.
this is what i did today…
standing strict barbell press
250x1- left a lot in the tank on this one.
pullups
BW +45 x 6- need to start light and work up on these. can really feel them in my pulled trap
Good stuff MM. Watch that on the standing press. It’s not much but you do a slight dip. I know a lot of guys that have done push presses in the past will want to dip just a little, but be as strict as possible.
I did my pause squats today but next week I will pull a single off blocks at mid shin then rep 405 or 455 from a deficit (standing on two plates) to see what I get.
[quote]RealPC wrote:
Good stuff MM. Watch that on the standing press. It’s not much but you do a slight dip. I know a lot of guys that have done push presses in the past will want to dip just a little, but be as strict as possible.
I did my pause squats today but next week I will pull a single off blocks at mid shin then rep 405 or 455 from a deficit (standing on two plates) to see what I get.
Good work.
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thanks PC. i noticed that as well. i used to do a ton of push presses in the past… never done strict militaries before. weight felt stupid easy though. short arms have their pluses sometimes.
mid shin deads have to be the hardest dead variation there is. not having that momentum off the floor makes it nothing but ego and adrenaline.
i also love the pause squat as a variation. it really develops power out of the hole and teaches you to stay tight in the hole.
You are def right about the mid shin deads. Since there is no reflex you are stuck in a more static position and the weight feels more dead. I think I am good for around 625-635 from there from now but we’ll find out next week. I have no idea how this will transfer to the floor. I have always pulled less from mid shin than from the floor, so we’ll see.
Same for the pause squat. Been running pause squats only for quite a few weeks now. Will test the 1 rep max in two weeks, as I squat one week and dead the other.
That’s a pretty good overall assistance day really. Overheads, chins, curls. Nice balance there.
[quote]RealPC wrote:
You are def right about the mid shin deads. Since there is no reflex you are stuck in a more static position and the weight feels more dead. I think I am good for around 625-635 from there from now but we’ll find out next week. I have no idea how this will transfer to the floor. I have always pulled less from mid shin than from the floor, so we’ll see.
Same for the pause squat. Been running pause squats only for quite a few weeks now. Will test the 1 rep max in two weeks, as I squat one week and dead the other.
That’s a pretty good overall assistance day really. Overheads, chins, curls. Nice balance there.[/quote]
my training is about as basic as it comes- i train bench on mondays- hit a couple bench variations, then move to an overhead press to the front for three sets then i typically will do a rep set on a bench variation then finish with a tricep movement or two.
Day two is squat/dead day. i do squats one week then deads the next. as with bench day i do a squat/dead variation or two then some high rep quad work, ham work… finishing with GHR’s and abs
Day three is an accessory day where i do rows variations, pulldowns/pullups, then shoulder work concentrating on medial and rear delts using BTN presses, dumbell cleans, face pulls, etc. and then finish with some sort of curl.
it’s about as simple as it comes… but effective. besides, i’m not smart enough to follow percentages or some fancy program.
what i do do is try to pick variations that target a weakpoint. i’m constantly videotaping my training to look for weakpoints and form issues.
…i think one of the hardest from the lift yer talking about must be the 200 dips…cus enyone can do +60 or + 100 or even more with not enought rom like anyone you see in the gym…even more experience lifter dont perform them really strict…but 200 super strict dips !!!..
