what are advantages to renegade training?

While some may say that Renegade Training is rehashed training info that has been around - it has opened training “doors”, “options”, “horizons” for me. This style of training makes me realize that I am not relegated to the usual “stuff” of weight training. I am also looking for a way to improve my skills and level of conditioning as a boxer. Renegade Training seems the most logical direction for me.

I have never felt that Coach Davies believes that RT is "superior" to other programs. I don't know where that question originated from. As a matter of fact, I don't believe any of the contributors of T-Mag to believe this way of their programs. I've always felt that T-Mag was this place that all these ideas/theories/practices could be listed. And since I like to think of myself as someone who's pretty smart and has a dab of common sense, I could try out some of these ideas/theories/practices and see which is most effective for my needs.

Coach D has shown me, by his articles and his so-prompt responses, that he's a upfront guy. I do not put him up on a pedastool - but I do have a high degree of respect for him.

Back to the original question: as Patricia said, RT is not the only way or the best way for EVERYONE. As far as advantages well it has made me faster, quicker, stronger, and in better shape than any other program has faster than imaginable. Also, Coach Davies is not only a true pioneer but a caring and genuine guy that cares for all those who believe in his ways, he offers himself to you providing you with the best and most reasonable options for your needs. That alone is an advantage that is hard to possess. Renegade Training will and always has my stamp of approval. As far as world class athletes go there are plenty Im sure, but it matters nothing because it has no relevance to whether it will work for you or not.

Damn…I sure jumped on this post late. My bad. Good lookin’ out RTs. I like to call Coach P. Diddy sometimes and he loves it. But here is the deal. 97% of the movements Davies does, he got somewhere else. He remixed it and pimped it. But that 3% is original Biggie and it will last forever, some of his stuff just won’t go away, like GPP. If he hadn’t done so I would not be the bone crushing 245 lbs of piss and vineager that I am. Renegade Training is a brotherhood. This brotherhood has an approach to training that is simply ruthless and relentless. We push each other and we expect to be pushed, pulled and dragged to Victory. Renegade Training is about Who You Want To Be With in a Fox Hole? As for the hooty hoo about Coach…I am pretty sure he was at that oympics when Ben Johnson did his thing and maybe that’s where the rumor came from. I’ll just say this he’s Walkin the Walk. I dare one of you haters to check into his medical records. You will find that this man is here by virtue of miracle after miracle after miracle. He is living proof that man can train himself as he sees fit and he can recover from any injury or tragedy to become stronger. So after all that is said the point is he shouldn’t be here and he’s not just chillin teaching schmucks to up there bench in some 24hr fatness. He’s skating, snowboarding, surfing, working with QB’s, Receivers, hockey players, consulting military commanders (that’s no shit) talking with gatorade and sobe about skate decks, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc…To WSTRAINER we train in a FOG OF WAR. Maybe you should come out for awhile in Jan/feb, once you’ve been in “the shit” you’ll never be the same.

I would like to give my input on this. After taking a workshop with Coach Davies and being an athlete for 20 years, the training is a side affect to what he really brings out of you. It the mental toughness. The will within someone. For those who have never played a sport, this will be a difficult idea to swallow. Weights within a gym are constant. When an athlete lines up for competition, its man on man. Me versus you. Meaning, “I dont care what you did pal, I am gonna kick your ass for 3.5 hrs. You are go bring your best and I am gonna bring mine, in the end, we will see who’s best.” Gym rats will not really understand this as easy as those who take part in sport. Its the only thing left to the days of the gladiator. It is within our ancestry to accept this at T-men and stop trying to deny the urge to kick ass, regardless if your competition is a man or a piece of iron.

I used Renegade Training last year for nearly three months. In that time, I went from 16% to 10-11% bodyfat, I was faster, had more endurance and felt great. I have never felt so “fit” using a program. Most programs only focus on one aspect of training such as strength or hypertrophy. Renegade Training contains all elements of fitness. There is a good mix of agility and speed training, weight training and increasing work capacity through GPP, as well as an increase in flexibility. So I think Renegade Training is best for people who are looking to have a complete training program and more athletic in nature. Is it the best way to get big and strong? Not necessarily. And there are plenty of programs that will focus on that. So if that’s your ultimate goal, then Renegade Training isn’t for you. But if you want to feel good, look good and be able to participate in a variety of athletics, or just have great conditioning, then Renegade Training is your “all-in-one” program.

Are the training methods new or only Coach Davies’ original ideas? No. But who can say that all their training is original these days (maybe Staley can with EDT)? Davies, Poliquin, King, Staley, Simmons and Tate (and others) have all gotten their methods from others. But they have applied them in a way that has made them successful. So that shouldn’t even be an issue. As for selling their materials to others, what good coach doesn’t have materials to sell? Why should they not profit from their ideas? All of the above coaches sell something. Some stuff is free, but you can’t expect everything to be free these days. If all these coaches gave away all their ideas and training programs, how would they survive? Westside sells videos and training equipment. Staley, Poliquin, King, Davies, Tsatsouline and others sell books and training programs. What’s wrong with that?

As for volume, yes there is higher volume per say. But I’ve been comparing the volume of my EDT workouts to some of Coach Davies Renegade workouts, and you know what? Total volume is about the same or slightly less with Renegade Training. It does seem like a huge volume of work because you’re doing so much in one training session (kbell work, rope work, weight training, GPP, Abs, etc), but the total workout is not quite as volume intensive as some may think. And there is no reason why you can’t tailor the workouts for you.

When Coach Davies first started posting workouts last year, they were set on a five-day cycle with four days in the gym and one day of “active” rest. After a few weeks, I felt burned out due to the volume (and I hadn’t done anything high volume prior to doing this). But once I changed the workout to three days in the gym and two days of active rest, I was able to adjust and make gains without feeling burned out or overtrained. So like I said, it can be adjusted to fit you. And after doing it for a while, I did adjust to the volume, and I made awesome gains.

I’m about to start Renegade Training once again as of next week. I’m taking this week off with active recovery to prepare me for my venture as a Renegade once again. And I’m eagerly looking forward to it. My goal isn’t to be the biggest and strongest. My goal is to be lean, well-conditioned, and fit. Fit so I can participate in other activities I enjoy (mountain biking, in-line skating), without feeling stiff or out-of-shape. Fit, so I can have a better quality of life. That’s part of what Renegade Training is all about, isn’t it? To excel at a high level in activities you enjoy while keeping you in the best possible shape.

And like others have said, it is more than just workouts. It is mental. Completing a Renegade workout is hard. Physically and mentally. When you feel like quitting, you push yourself to complete it. And when you’re done, there is a feeling of accomplishment that makes you satisfied. Not only that, but there is also this brotherhood of Renegades. And it’s really not any different than our brotherhood of T-men.

Very well said brutha, couldnt have laid it down better myself.

I think WSTRAINER has very valid points as does RT. It’s a question of application and to what sport or goal you’re working towards. I love the application of RT to work threshold and overall athleticism. This is something that my kids, for ex., don’t really know yet but I hope to expose them to - the confidence of getting their whole body strong instead of going to a club to get on a machine. This I think we all can agree on. The fantastic benefits of full squats, DLs, etc. are great. Since my kids are excellent soccer players, very skillful but weak (relatively), achievement in this sport would be tremendously helped by RT because of its endurance/strength nature. Bball, wrestling, water polo, etc., I think would be excellent candidates too. Football? My thinking is they need much heavier resistance combined with very fast concentric movements with more moderate weight and sophisticated speed training for the skill positions. So maybe not in football.
Now as far as references. It is probable that JD is telling a concrete policy or…that clients are not winning. If you’re not winning, then a reference doesn’t look too good. But, football is complex, with schemes, schedule variations, injuries and recruiting. Just because Epley is a good strength coach, it doesn’t mean he can overcome lesser recruits this year at Nebraska, for instance. I think what I’d do if I was JD is to implement RT at say, Stanford womens’ soccer or Okla. Bball, then see what it can do with proper sport application.

Whether Coach trained Ben Johnson, the entire Green Bay Packer team or the National Champions isn’t important. If it was, Coach would talk about it. If you read any of Coaches writings, you will see a pattern - he USUALLY doesn’t discuss who he has trained. When he does discuss, it is usually some high school athlete who is being heavily recruited.

If he wanted to, I am sure he could drop a huge resume on us, but why? Even if he did train Ben Johnson, do you think he made Ben Johnson the fastest man at the time? I doubt it. Ben Johnson was genetically gifted, and was a top athlete. Sure, maybe he could have helped him get a little better, but the guy was already awesome.

The point Coach is trying to get across, at least the way it comes across to me, is that what's done is done. It's about what's happening now, not what happened in the past. The people he trained in the past should have no effect on whether you use his programs or not. It should come down to whether living the code, being a brother, is right for you now. Read the article I posted at the beginning of this thread and it should help you understand. If not, email Coach and ask him to explain.

Well said, very well said.

Hey big man what is your height, bf, max, vert, and stuff like that? How long have you been Ren. Training? Did you make some huge gains in speed and strength? I ask you this cause I really resepct your opinion and training style and was just curious about it. Thank you for your time!

Chris,
I wouldn’t say the past is irrelevant; certainly prospective buyers of courses might ascertain credibility if some team(s) or individuals were advertised. “I improved Penn State (just for ex.)” Important athletes/teams with money, careers or programs on the line. While WSTRAINERS’ positioning might be better, his theme is not entirely wrong. Just IMO. I do though, like JD’s centering on the process, having comraderie while challenging oneself to the max. And RT I think is very beneficial for endurance-dominated sports.

Here is my story drastically abbreviated. I am 28yrs, played college basketball bounced around some d2 schools, wanted to play overseas, couple months after being back from school I destroyed my foot. DESTROYED. Regular Docs wanted surgery, I took the high road and rehabbed for 2 years. By the time I was ready for contact sports again I had the urge to start from the ground up and do something no one would ever think possible. Hence my goal to be in the NFL. While the foot was rehabbing I was doing tons of yoga when I was ready I contacted Coach Davies the same way all of you do/did and told him I would stop at nothing to be in the NFL. He gets twenty of these a day so it took some convincing and a few workouts and still he was generous with his time but again he has seen this before. Well here I am almost two years later and I can boast playing an entire season of Semi-Pro football starting and playing nearly every offensive down without injury and satisfactory stats. I had never played a down in my life, not school, not pop warner. Coach D had me 100% prepared, Physically, mentally and spiritually. I scoffed at our conditioning as a team and would routinely sing through our running drills just to boast my wind (something I would never be able to do if I was trying to keep up with Renegades. I played tight end at 6’7" 240. Not a single sack came from my side in 9 games. I played special teams for a variety of senarios almost every game, I took a pounding but seemed to bounce back stronger as each week passed. I’ve got a couple of Arena League tryouts this week and I am confident I am ready. I wouldn’t say that I can post some huge gains in any standard test because I have never even clocked my 40. I will tell you this, my vert has always been in the mid 30’s now it is easily high 30’s, my long jump is over 10ft but I don’t know exactly, I bench around 320, I snatch for bar speed with 135, drop snatch around 200, drop squat around 250, I perform the bear with around 150. I have not gained any noteable body weight but the big kettle bell is child’s play for me and it used to hurt me for 3 days at a time. These are in season weights, and Davies is all about evolving so this is going to be a fun off season, hopefully I won’t get one. The durability has been key, the mentality is the factor and the comraderie that comes form wicked training in a hot garage with a beanie and sweatshirt on is priceless and never taken for granted.

Awesome, very motivational story Dark Renegade. Please let us know how the try outs go. Good luck!

Thanks for your time and input and please keep me as wel as anyone else updated on your tryouts. Kepp bustin your ass big man!! Thanks

DARK RENEGADE, you need to get your e-mail on your site. We could talk about Renegade Training, and football goals, since I have a few of my own.

You can get my email from Coach D. Just send him a note and he’ll forward it to me. The site is taking forever and I am way to busy for it to be up anytime soon.

I am just starting out but I am going to get into this stuff. Later.

Regarding accusations and rumours: This was taken from the Renegade website under the articles section from the Cincinatti Post: Bengal Speed.

“Davies, 40, has tutored football, soccer and track stars, including soccer icon Diego Maradona and Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson.”

If this is inaccurate, then I would not have it on my website and/or I would make a public statement to clear things up claiming that I never coached Ben.

RE: Charles Poliquin. At his sprinting speed seminar 2 years ago, Poliquin only claimed he had spoken with Charlie Francis about Bens training and that Ben squatted before his finals performance in Seoul(which was not true).

RE:Renegade Training
I have heard people claim that the volume is high but if you can tolerate the volume and achieve positive benefits, then fantastic. If the volume is too high for you, then lower it.

CLARIFICATION: The Cincinnati Post article wrote the wrong info. That wasn’t a quote from Coach Davies, but a misquote by the paper. We have considered pulling the link to the article, but opted not to because the rest of the article is good. Sorry if this has led people down the wrong way, as much as Coach doesn’t take credit for a lot of the things he DOES do, he certainly doesn’t want credit for the things he doesn’t. Thanks.

LOWDEN SWAIN…haha. Vision Quest rules.