Hi. I’m a new poster here and Coach Davies recommended I ask here to get advice about a certain predicament I’m in. As many of you know, Coach Davies’s training programs are quite rigorous and have caused me to gain muscular bodyweight. This would be great except for the fact that I need to lose weight to prepare for the upcoming wrestling season. I have already tried low-carb dieting while training under Coach Davies, and this did not work well. I then added in carbs and I began to gain weight and lose inches from my waist. I’m still losing fat, but I don’t need to gain muscle. I still want to continue to train under Coach Davies but it will be hard to that and not gain muscle. (I’ve already gained 2 in on my calves and 2 in. on my thighs) Could anyone give me nutritional suggestions that might help me fuel my workouts but not gain weight? Thanks. Your replies are appreciated.
Man that’s a really rough situation to be in…how to stop gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time…(joke)
I can understand your predicament and my body has been doing about the same thing since I began incorporating Coach D’s routines.
You said that low carb dieting did not work for you…what exactly about it didn’t work? did you just not have enough energy to do the routines or were you not shedding any weight?
How many calories are you eating now and what is the current estimated macronutrient composition (protein, carb, fat %'s)…also what is your bodyweight and estimate bf %?
let me know as much as you can cause i think I have the answer for you…
Thank you Kelly for offering assistance to our Renegade brother. Pauls diet has been a little to laden with pasta and rice but he is making tremendous improvements. Yes, it is incredible that our problem is that he is putting on too much muscle and losing bodyfat. The diet will be problematic, simply because of the necessary dietary changes. Paul - please keep training. In faith, Coach Davies
I couldn’t go low-carb because it didn’t give me enough energy to get through the workouts. Right now I can’t say how many calories I’m consuming but I’d say somewhere in the neighborhood of 4500. My macro ratio would be about 60/20/20 I think.(very rough estimate) I weigh 340 lb at about 23 or 24% bf. What would be your answer to my problem?
look in a way its simple and in a way its complex. The two simple rules of thumb are A) stick to real low reps, at either high speeds or very high %1RM. The other thing is eat less. If you eat at no more than you expend (this exact point is somewhat theoretical of course), then it is not possible for you to gain weight, and if anything eat slightly under this point.
Why don’t you pack on the pounds and wrestle in the next weight class?
Move up a weight class then.
Something sounds fishy about this post. Paul, you said you’re gaining muscle and losing fat. And you don’t want to gain anymore because you wrestle. Well, you said you were 340lbs and 23-24% bodyfat. Why exactly do you need to lose weight? It’s obvious that you are already in the highest weight class, so extra weight should be helpful against opponents. Also, if you are losing fat and gaining muscle, what are you worried about? That’s what you want to do.
More muscle isn’t going to slow you down if you still train explosively. If you’re training under Coach Davies, then you should definitely be training at a fast-pace and utilizing the Olympic movements to increase explosive speed and strength.
So I really don't see what the major problem is other than the fact that you still need to drop some bodyfat. You should be able to do that by eliminating the pasta and rice from your diet. Like Coach Davies says, get all your carbs from fruit, veggies and the occasional piece of wheat bread. Stay away from all pasta and rice, white breads, pastries, junk food, processed foods (cookies, cakes, crackers, etc). And you should make progress.
One thing you could look into is John Berardi’s Massive Eating diet. Except, do the “Don’t Diet” version where you actually subtract 25% to account for fat loss. So go read those articles on Massive Eating and then read his “Appetite for Construction” article that talks about Massive Eating for fat loss. I think that if you follow the idea of certain meal combos and eliminate the useless carbs from your diet, you should definitely be able to drop more fat. So do it up my big brother!
I agree with Nate…if your over 300 lbs. your not going to be able to diet down to any weight class. It sounds like all of the Coach Davies workouts are doing just what you need: losing bodyfat, gaining or maintaining muscle, increasing athleticism and conditioning. Keep doing exactly what your doing as far as training. As far as diet…I think Nate had another good suggestion…the Massive Eating diet or Don’t Diet diet would be great for you. I suggest that you do the Don’t Diet die, but use maintenance calories instead of multiplying by 85 percent. With your increased activity level and your present response to training you will probably drop fat like crazy. I also suggest that you use the taper method. Eat carb/protein meals prior to working out and then a post workout shake containing carbs then make the rest of your meals for the day fat/protein meals. This will ensure that you have the energy to complete the workouts. BTW, try more low GI carbs like whole grains and veggies and fruits in lieu of the pasta. Add in some fish oils too. Good luck. Once you get down to under 15% bodyfat, your gonna be a monster…I wouldn’t want to wrestle a 300+ lb. guy who has been doing these workouts for a couple of months.
Paul I’m not going to try and talk you out of losing the weight…I can understand why you would want to be a little lighter even if not to get into a different weight class carrying less bodyweight would probably help you with endurance. My suggestion is you lower your calories by about 500 per day. Eat starchy carbs and fruit early in the day before your workout and just after your workout have a post workout drink or meal containing protein + carb…For the last 2 or 3 meals of the day ditch the starchy carbs and fruits and replace them with protein and fibrous carbs…(broccoli, salad, squash, green beans, cauliflower etc.) By eating in this manner you’ll be taking in enough starchy carbs early in the day to fuel your training sessions while limiting their consumption at night to burn the weight off. This with an overall reduction of calories should work well for you. You could also take some type of thermogenic product such as MD6 to help jack your metabolic rate a bit. Best of luck!
I’m not sure I believe in the whole “dieting down” to get into a desired weight class. I think it can be dangerous, especially for younger, thinner athletes. Coach Davies, what is your opinion on this? I feel you should be your best athletically no matter what weight that puts you at. If you’re faster and stronger with higher energy levels at, say 200 pounds, then why try to get down to 180 just to satisfy a weight class? Beat out the person who holds the heavier spot on the team!
I don’t think many of you realize that to wrestle I must be under 275 lbs. and reaching this weight would not be unhealthy for me. I’d probably be at about 9 or 10% bf. I think this will be extremely difficult if not impossible to do in about 12-15 weeks, but I’ll try my darndest. I think I’ll cut carbs out after my workouts and see what happens. (my workouts are in the evening,5:00-6:30 usually so I think that will probably work) Thanks guys.
Okay, now it makes sense why you are trying to lose weight. How tall are you? As for no carbs after working out, I would HIGHLY recommend that you use Surge for your post-workout drink. That stuff is amazing! And yes, it has quite a bit of carbs, but this is the best time to consume carbs. As for the rest of your meals after your workout, make them protein/fat meals and skip the carbs. Earlier in the day, consume carbs from fruits and vegetable sources. That should do it for you. And keep training hard and drinking plenty of water. You should be able to meet your goal in 12-15 weeks if you do it correctly.
(wouldn’t have recommended that advice had have your 2nd post popped up before I posted!)
Try the T-dawg diet, eating carbs only post-workout. Use Massive Eating principles, and recalculate calorie consumption on a weekly basis. Seriously.
the problem is simple, you need to slowly change your diet. Your are a big man who is going to plow through people. Your body is responding tremendously with muscle growth and fat loss. To improve weight loss you will need to address diet. But Paul - that weight target is unlikely. Now, I am so proud of what you have accomplished, you’ve done all the sprint/gpp & rope work, just amazing - follow the diet plan and results will come over time. And hey, your going to block out one side of the line and your OLine coach will love you. I will email you at home young RENEGADE. In faith, Coach Davies
am I the only one that understands why this thread was started? come on people, THINK.
hetyeh225, Paul posted this because he was having concerns. But thanks, I need some personal time I will be leaving the tmag forum this evening to take care of anything else, other than something that you are involved in. You’ve become a reoccuring theme & as always when you show-up, I am out of this post. Coach Davies
This post does sound a whole lot like the guy that posted last week with a story that he had gained 9 lbs of muscle while at the same time losing fat just by taking Nitromine without any change in his calorie intake.
“coach” gee I have never slammed you or even realy had an argument with you, is your problem with someone haveing a different oppinion or that someone might think. what I said was, “am I the only one that knows why this thread was started? come on people THINK” what is wrong with that unless YOU know why the thread was started? peace.