Westside/PLing Training Thread

[quote]gags wrote:

off topic, has anyone checked out the thread on benching without full ROM. Professor X is convinced that pausing on the bench is actually resting. the argument continues to go on and on. I’ve had a good laugh over it pretty much all day. When I did my pause work tonight, I kept thinking-“man,I could fall asleep with this bar sitting on my chest”

meat

that’s why i pretty much only read the strength sports section…too much jibberjabber on crap i’m not concerned with…hmmmmm, i guess i should stop reading this thread too since i dont compete in pl’ing…hahahhahha

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this site can be a great source of info. but it can also be full of shit. I’ve always thought that if you want to get bigger and stronger, take advice from those that are bigger and stronger than you. Too many people chime in and talk out of their ass.

meat

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
gags wrote:

off topic, has anyone checked out the thread on benching without full ROM. Professor X is convinced that pausing on the bench is actually resting. the argument continues to go on and on. I’ve had a good laugh over it pretty much all day. When I did my pause work tonight, I kept thinking-“man,I could fall asleep with this bar sitting on my chest”

meat

that’s why i pretty much only read the strength sports section…too much jibberjabber on crap i’m not concerned with…hmmmmm, i guess i should stop reading this thread too since i dont compete in pl’ing…hahahhahha

this site can be a great source of info. but it can also be full of shit. I’ve always thought that if you want to get bigger and stronger, take advice from those that are bigger and stronger than you. Too many people chime in and talk out of their ass.

meat
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amen brotha.

heres my ass (|) now if you’ll allow me to keep blabing LOL

ok ill shut up.

Great post though.

Phill

DE Bench

Bench w/ Doubled Minis
Barxbunch
Bar w/ minis x 8
135x3
135x3
135x3
155x3
155x3
135x3

This was much much faster than last weeks, and easier on the shoulders too. I think I’ll do one more week with bands and then do a two or three week deload with just RE db work.

DB Bench
100x13,9,8

Shrugs (no straps today, grip work)
315x10,6,5
225xfailure

Power Curl
135x3

Band pull aparts

My ME days last week were pretty intense so I didn’t do as much accessory stuff today.

ME Bench Sept 26th
First day back
Shoulder pre/rehab stuff rotations etc

1)Bench Press Pause
Bar x 20 (no pause)
135 x 10 (no pause)
225 x 3
295 x 1
315 x 1
335 x miss think I had it
275 x 5

Seated Rows
120 x 15,15,13,12

Pin presses # 18 (about mid way)
225 x 3
315 x 3
365 x miss
335 x 3

  1. DB Decline Bench
    60 x 10
    80 x 5
    100 x 10, 8

Chest Supported DB Row
60 x 12,12,10

More shoulder stuff and some band pull aparts

Ok first day back to any type of lifting was a bit cautious and weight felt a bit weird. Also first time on a flat bench with a bar in over a month.

The pause presses felt like a year had new partner count out 3 seconds in head and say press so I wouldn?t cheat or have to think about it. This was his first day every really spotting and first time lifting off have a lot to work on there and then on the 335 pause I had the bar moving sure slow but I was grinding it and he grabbed it thinking it was to much I really think I may have got it .

Then couldn?t end on that so no rest loaded the 275 and did 5 solid reps. I did lose strength over this rehab but man I was very happy in that I had zero pain on any and all presses today and just getting used to benching again a load etc may have me come back up in numbers fast.

Bit unhappy with the pin press as well the 365 I presses to my hearts content and that sucker didn?t budge got on hell of an isometric press but that should have would have moved easy prior. Again though need to accept the pain free thing.

DB?s went well and then more shoulder crap. Weak as hell but Good day felt good to be back on track and looking forward to getting back rollin.

Phill

i’m sure i another week or 2 you’ll be back to normal…no shoulder pain is probably well worth the small sacrifice of a few lbs…

reading this thread has really motivated me so i decided to post my workouts. i’m new to PLing so my numbers arent huge, but my desire is.

Tues 31 oct
mobility work and stretching 10 mins

ME sqt
GM (hvy triple):
1x10 - 45
1x5 95
1x5 135
1x5 155
1x3 185
1x3 225
1x3 245
1x3 275
1x3 315
1x3 335
1x3 355

= 3 lifts >= 90%

i did so many sets because my lower back was so sore after my last GM day that i wanted to make sure it wasnt hurt and ease into it.

30 GHR, needed 4 sets, super slow eccentric

band pull throughs
3x12

Term knee ext
(hurt my left knee playing basketball 2x in the past 6 months)

abs

[quote]gags wrote:
i’m sure i another week or 2 you’ll be back to normal…no shoulder pain is probably well worth the small sacrifice of a few lbs…[/quote]

Thats what I keep telling myself no pain = good thats the positive and im taking that for today.

Thanks gags

[quote]windmill85 wrote:
reading this thread has really motivated me so i decided to post my workouts. i’m new to PLing so my numbers arent huge, but my desire is.

Tues 31 oct
mobility work and stretching 10 mins

ME sqt
GM (hvy triple):
1x10 - 45
1x5 95
1x5 135
1x5 155
1x3 185
1x3 225
1x3 245
1x3 275
1x3 315
1x3 335
1x3 355

= 3 lifts >= 90%

i did so many sets because my lower back was so sore after my last GM day that i wanted to make sure it wasnt hurt and ease into it.

30 GHR, needed 4 sets, super slow eccentric

band pull throughs
3x12

Term knee ext
(hurt my left knee playing basketball 2x in the past 6 months)

abs
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Glad you joined us freaks the more the merrier I know it helps me to see what others are doing whats working what isnt etc.

OK got one for you all

Ive had pain in my low back and glute on the right side since my 17+ hours straight drive. I didnt take my wallet out of my damn pocket and I guess from what I hear ir was pressing on my cyatic nerve. Its annoying as hell.

Its worst when sitting not bad standing. but it is effecting lifts a bit, even today benching getting the arch and leg drive I could feel it.

know of any way to releive it. Ive tried foam rollers. pillow while sleeping. etc. Feels like it needs to pop BAD but the bastard wont crack.

any ideas would be great.

Phill

Tuesday- 10/31/06- ME BP- Med Volume

A)Bench Press (pinkies on rings)
145x5
185x3
255x2
275x1 (over 90%)
290x1 (over 90%)
300xMISS (over 90%)
260x3
270x2+1MISS (over 90%)
255x3+1miss (paused 2 sec)

B1)DB Tricep Extension
45x6 x5 x5

B3)Neutral Grip Chins
(close grip)BWx8 (wide)BWx6

C1)Lateral Raises (brought to sides)
35x10 x8

C2)Seated DB Curls
45x6 x6

D1)Band Pressdowns
~75

D2)Cable Ext Rotation
12 8 8

Notes: Was planning on only doing singles today, but I was benching with EC and he put his shirt on, so I figured there was no fucking way I wasn’t maxing. Once again, digging my own hole of missing 300.

I REALLY need to stop missing lifts in training.

To top it all off, my friend maxed out on bench today at 310. He’s a lean well proportioned 210lb on a 2,000 cal diet doing a high rep body part split using barely any effort during each workout.

Needles to say, when he told me this, I wanted to rip my head off.

-MAtt

[quote]Phill wrote:
OK got one for you all

Ive had pain in my low back and glute on the right side since my 17+ hours straight drive. I didnt take my wallet out of my damn pocket and I guess from what I hear ir was pressing on my cyatic nerve. Its annoying as hell.

Its worst when sitting not bad standing. but it is effecting lifts a bit, even today benching getting the arch and leg drive I could feel it.

know of any way to releive it. Ive tried foam rollers. pillow while sleeping. etc. Feels like it needs to pop BAD but the bastard wont crack.

any ideas would be great.

Phill[/quote]

how long has it been bothering you?
personally, i am a big fan of sleeping with the pillow method. have you tried different positions? on your side with it between your legs or on your back with it under your knees. do you slouch or have bad posture while you sit? that could be contributing to your problem.

[quote]windmill85 wrote:
Phill wrote:
OK got one for you all

Ive had pain in my low back and glute on the right side since my 17+ hours straight drive. I didnt take my wallet out of my damn pocket and I guess from what I hear ir was pressing on my cyatic nerve. Its annoying as hell.

Its worst when sitting not bad standing. but it is effecting lifts a bit, even today benching getting the arch and leg drive I could feel it.

know of any way to releive it. Ive tried foam rollers. pillow while sleeping. etc. Feels like it needs to pop BAD but the bastard wont crack.

any ideas would be great.

Phill

how long has it been bothering you?
personally, i am a big fan of sleeping with the pillow method. have you tried different positions? on your side with it between your legs or on your back with it under your knees. do you slouch or have bad posture while you sit? that could be contributing to your problem.
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19 days 10 hours and 51 minutes LOL a few days under three weeks. Its odd different the strained muscle you know but like it.

Tried the pillow different ways under just the bad side me at an angle is best for sleeping but really after about 5 mins laying down there is no discomfort.

posture while I sit bad no not really. Been doing a lot of sitting at comp on a damn swiss ball prior to this have yet to get one here hard to bring myself to shell out the cash for one thats bthe only reason I use them LOL

I need to get it and well Ill try those other things Thanks.
Phill

[quote]Phill wrote:
OK got one for you all

Ive had pain in my low back and glute on the right side since my 17+ hours straight drive. I didnt take my wallet out of my damn pocket and I guess from what I hear ir was pressing on my cyatic nerve. Its annoying as hell.

Its worst when sitting not bad standing. but it is effecting lifts a bit, even today benching getting the arch and leg drive I could feel it.

know of any way to releive it. Ive tried foam rollers. pillow while sleeping. etc. Feels like it needs to pop BAD but the bastard wont crack.

any ideas would be great.

Phill[/quote]

get ride of the castanza wallet… try sleeping on your back with your lower legs propped up under some pillows.

do what I tell my guys at the gym…
“turn the bitch down and the man up”

I know you will.
meat

I hear ya Mat, I tried 425 last night and my spotter puts his hands under the bar as I was still pushing through the sticking point on the way up. I was pissed bc I I think I had that weight all the way. I was happy with the control I had over the weight on the way down. I hit 405 two weeks ago. I was thinking of maxing again in two weeks and prob going for 430. What do you guys think? I cant count the 425, do I hit that again first?

A

[quote]Matgic wrote:

I REALLY need to stop missing lifts in training.

To top it all off, my friend maxed out on bench today at 310. He’s a lean well proportioned 210lb on a 2,000 cal diet doing a high rep body part split using barely any effort during each workout.

Needles to say, when he told me this, I wanted to rip my head off.

-MAtt

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Hey new guy here, just wanted to say HI!! I’ve been doing powerlifting for 12 yrs and I have been lifting for 22yrs. I do alot of the exercises from Westside training and they did great for me and I’m in my 40’s.

[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
I hear ya Mat, I tried 425 last night and my spotter puts his hands under the bar as I was still pushing through the sticking point on the way up. I was pissed bc I I think I had that weight all the way. I was happy with the control I had over the weight on the way down. I hit 405 two weeks ago. I was thinking of maxing again in two weeks and prob going for 430. What do you guys think? I cant count the 425, do I hit that again first?

A

Matgic wrote:

I REALLY need to stop missing lifts in training.

To top it all off, my friend maxed out on bench today at 310. He’s a lean well proportioned 210lb on a 2,000 cal diet doing a high rep body part split using barely any effort during each workout.

Needles to say, when he told me this, I wanted to rip my head off.

-MAtt

for me, missing a lift can often be more psychologically damaging than anything else. If I miss a lift, I try to put it out of my mind and then totally switch gears for awhile. Also, I never go more than 5lbs above my last PR attempt. If you got 405 clean, meaning no stops, bar stayed level and the bar speed was good- I would go for 410 next time. I know it’s tempting to throw a bunch of weight on the bar but the war of strength is won in small battles. You might get lucky and hit 430. most likely you will miss it and then you have two failed lifts in a row. play it smart, I don’t go for a heavier set until I’ve mastered the weight i’m on. For example, If I hit 540 for a pause on bench but the bar came up slow and I had to really gut it out, next time I will hit it again and hopefully it will come up faster.

the moral of the story is- don’t move up until you’ve perfected what you are working with now.

meat

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
I hear ya Mat, I tried 425 last night and my spotter puts his hands under the bar as I was still pushing through the sticking point on the way up. I was pissed bc I I think I had that weight all the way. I was happy with the control I had over the weight on the way down. I hit 405 two weeks ago. I was thinking of maxing again in two weeks and prob going for 430. What do you guys think? I cant count the 425, do I hit that again first?

A

Matgic wrote:

I REALLY need to stop missing lifts in training.

To top it all off, my friend maxed out on bench today at 310. He’s a lean well proportioned 210lb on a 2,000 cal diet doing a high rep body part split using barely any effort during each workout.

Needles to say, when he told me this, I wanted to rip my head off.

-MAtt

I just realized that I need to listen to my own advice as well. last week I hit a PR on bench but the lockout was slow. this week I added 5lbs and not suprising I missed the lift right at the lockout. see I know what I’m talking about. too bad I don’t take my own advice.

meat
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Haha thanks meat. I need to be more humble then and get previous numbers out of my head. The fact is my current PR is 405. I just know that I have lifted 455 in the past so I almost feel like I should be moving in faster increments on my PR’s to get back to that number. It may be better to put the 455 out of my head all together. Thoughts?

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
I hear ya Mat, I tried 425 last night and my spotter puts his hands under the bar as I was still pushing through the sticking point on the way up. I was pissed bc I I think I had that weight all the way. I was happy with the control I had over the weight on the way down. I hit 405 two weeks ago. I was thinking of maxing again in two weeks and prob going for 430. What do you guys think? I cant count the 425, do I hit that again first?

A

Matgic wrote:

I REALLY need to stop missing lifts in training.

To top it all off, my friend maxed out on bench today at 310. He’s a lean well proportioned 210lb on a 2,000 cal diet doing a high rep body part split using barely any effort during each workout.

Needles to say, when he told me this, I wanted to rip my head off.

-MAtt

I just realized that I need to listen to my own advice as well. last week I hit a PR on bench but the lockout was slow. this week I added 5lbs and not suprising I missed the lift right at the lockout. see I know what I’m talking about. too bad I don’t take my own advice.

meat

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[quote]Phill wrote:
OK got one for you all

Ive had pain in my low back and glute on the right side since my 17+ hours straight drive. I didnt take my wallet out of my damn pocket and I guess from what I hear ir was pressing on my cyatic nerve. Its annoying as hell.

Its worst when sitting not bad standing. but it is effecting lifts a bit, even today benching getting the arch and leg drive I could feel it.

know of any way to releive it. Ive tried foam rollers. pillow while sleeping. etc. Feels like it needs to pop BAD but the bastard wont crack.

any ideas would be great.

Phill[/quote]

sounds like you need to see a good chiro…my 2cents

[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Haha thanks meat. I need to be more humble then and get previous numbers out of my head. The fact is my current PR is 405. I just know that I have lifted 455 in the past so I almost feel like I should be moving in faster increments on my PR’s to get back to that number. It may be better to put the 455 out of my head all together. Thoughts?

put it to the back of your mind. You know that you’ve done it before, so you should have the confidence to get back there. take it slow, you will get there-no doubt. but don’t risk injury or overtraining to force it. If i’ve learned anything about getting stronger, it that you can’t rush it. it will come slowly, but steady. my first year of powerlifting i had all sorts of injuries from overtraining and taking too big of jumps to set PR’s. I actually separated my collar bone being an idiot on inclines. I felt great one week- worked up to 455, the next week, i said, “what the hell…” I threw on 495, brought it down and pop, there went my training for close to six weeks.

meat