Good advice Meat. Everytime I go in for ME upper, I have 300 in my head. I just have to put it out of my mind for a bit and stop attempting 1RM PRs every damn workout.
5lb PRs are probably the way to go.
[quote]Matgic wrote:
Good advice Meat. Everytime I go in for ME upper, I have 300 in my head. I just have to put it out of my mind for a bit and stop attempting 1RM PRs every damn workout.
5lb PRs are probably the way to go.[/quote]
where in NY do you live? my Wife is from outside of Rochester.
meat
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
get ride of the castanza wallet… try sleeping on your back with your lower legs propped up under some pillows.
do what I tell my guys at the gym…
“turn the bitch down and the man up”
I know you will.
meat
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LOL well I knew it was coming but I have a regular just bi fold small wallet and no the damn thing is anything bu packed full well maybe biils not the dollar variety the you owe my ass or have paid me this much kind.
always sleep on my back never have been able to any other way, maybe side from time to time. will try that propped up gig this is just starting to suck. did find if sitting if I dont have any pressure on the right cheek I have no damn pain it all stems to that right side.
annoying as hell oh well keep on keeping on. sometimes its the little naggin shit that drives ya crazy.
[quote]Matgic wrote:
Good advice Meat. Everytime I go in for ME upper, I have 300 in my head. I just have to put it out of my mind for a bit and stop attempting 1RM PRs every damn workout.
5lb PRs are probably the way to go.[/quote]
Yes damn fine advice easy to listen to hard to put into action. But for damn sure I/we all need to. Its much better to make that lift the small PR one more rep few more lbs and end positive then end On a bad note shit sticks with ya. I end ever session every ME exercise with some type of posititve barring injury.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Matgic wrote:
Good advice Meat. Everytime I go in for ME upper, I have 300 in my head. I just have to put it out of my mind for a bit and stop attempting 1RM PRs every damn workout.
5lb PRs are probably the way to go.
where in NY do you live? my Wife is from outside of Rochester.
meat [/quote]
I grew up in Manhattan, but I go to school in Boston. I go back to NYC during the summer and on various breaks from school
-MAtt
tonight was supposed to be a ME squat/dead night. my guys are still to beat up,so we will wait until saturday.
instead, I hit shoulders and biceps
seated military press (paused)
0x10
135x5
225x3
315x2
405x1
there’s this guy that I call Mr. Wiggles at the gym. The reason is because every press exercise he does has a range of motion of no more than 3 inches- he looks like he is just wiggling.
well, this guy comes over to the seated military press as I’m taking the weight off. He says “leave two plates on each side.” I say, “sure.”
I can’t wait to see this. with no warmup of course, he sits down and with a full body wave, gets the bar off the rack. he then brings the bar down behind his neck, bouncing the bar off his traps and then as he attempted to press the bar stands straight up. he gets the bar about 4 inches up before he lets it bounce off his traps again into another stand up rep. It was like watching a train wreck… you don’t want to watch but you can’t help it.
after the entertainment…
clean and press (i really suck at these. they look more like a reverse curl than a clean.)
0x10
135x4
225x4
315x4
upright row supersetted with lateral raises
185x15 - 30’sx15
185x20 - 30’sx20
bicep circuit (nothing exciting)
got a really good pump though. maybe I should have hit a couple front double bicep shots… maybe not…
meat
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
there’s this guy that I call Mr. Wiggles at the gym. The reason is because every press exercise he does has a range of motion of no more than 3 inches- he looks like he is just wiggling.
well, this guy comes over to the seated military press as I’m taking the weight off. He says “leave two plates on each side.” I say, “sure.”
I can’t wait to see this. with no warmup of course, he sits down and with a full body wave, gets the bar off the rack. he then brings the bar down behind his neck, bouncing the bar off his traps and then as he attempted to press the bar stands straight up. he gets the bar about 4 inches up before he lets it bounce off his traps again into another stand up rep. It was like watching a train wreck… you don’t want to watch but you can’t help it.
after the entertainment…
clean and press (i really suck at these. they look more like a reverse curl than a clean.)
0x10
135x4
225x4
315x4
meat[/quote]
Bro has to be hard to get any work done at times in that gym im loving the stories of late though.
I hear you on the clean and presses sounds very familiar.
Heres one for some input from you all. Got to thinking about my workout sched and think I have this think bass ackwards. Not that it doesnt work just thinking a simple change may make it better more effective.
as of now I do monday and tuesday ME Lower and upper. then two days off. Then friday/saturday the DE/RE lower and upper then sunday off repeat.
It works but thinking it may be more effective if I swap it up. Have the two days rest after the DE/RE prior to the ME days the days that really count so I can be fresh as possible for the heavy shit. then the one complete day off prior to the DE/RE days that even if not fully fresh can adjust and make then work.
Thoughts?? Seems very damn logical
Not sure if this will work, but it’s a clip of my 300 miss from the other day. Looks like I’ve got a good arch, but maybe my feet being that far back reduces the leg drive I’m getting.
Ok from the looks of it it dies about 4 inches off your chest. So you could make the argument that you need to do some two board presses low pin presses etc.
BUT you could also say you just need to get stronger all the way around. Sure it stalls at about the four inch point but the bar doest exactly rocket to that point and starts dieing just off the chest after you lose the stretch reflex and slowly stall to a halt.
Other than that very hard to address form if the bars riding high etc. It does seem the bar looks to float up your elbows arent tucked a ton but just out of the bottom they lose the little tuck they do have and flare out leading me to think your putting more load on the shoulders etc which usually means the bar goes a bit higher etc.
maybe try and ket those elbows in a bit more this may be a weak point if your losing the tuck that quick and trying to rely on more shoulder and chest to muscle it up. need bottom strength that will blast you through that stalling spot and also work on that spot.
all in all just keep workin bro. s we all need to.
Hope something in there helps,
Phill
[quote]Matgic wrote:
Not sure if this will work, but it’s a clip of my 300 miss from the other day. Looks like I’ve got a good arch, but maybe my feet being that far back reduces the leg drive I’m getting.
[/quote]
I agree with everythig Phill said, I’ve definitely gotten a lot out of pin preses.
Other ideas are taking 90%, or like 275-285 and nailing as many singles as you can. Try getting that weight up fast as you can.
Or, nail 300 on the decline and flat bench won’t seem so hard.
[quote]Phill wrote:
Ok from the looks of it it dies about 4 inches off your chest. So you could make the argument that you need to do some two board presses low pin presses etc.
BUT you could also say you just need to get stronger all the way around. Sure it stalls at about the four inch point but the bar doest exactly rocket to that point and starts dieing just off the chest after you lose the stretch reflex and slowly stall to a halt.
Other than that very hard to address form if the bars riding high etc. It does seem the bar looks to float up your elbows arent tucked a ton but just out of the bottom they lose the little tuck they do have and flare out leading me to think your putting more load on the shoulders etc which usually means the bar goes a bit higher etc.
maybe try and ket those elbows in a bit more this may be a weak point if your losing the tuck that quick and trying to rely on more shoulder and chest to muscle it up. need bottom strength that will blast you through that stalling spot and also work on that spot.
all in all just keep workin bro. s we all need to.
Hope something in there helps,
Phill[/quote]
as usual, Phill has you pretty much covered. from what I see you don’t have much of a tuck on the way down. that would explain why you aren’t blasting it out of the hole.
also, i don’t see your legs moving at all. try bringing your legs back towards the end of the bench. I use a pair of 35’s to put my feet on. incorporate some heavy pause work to force yourself to learn leg drive. it will also help you to learn to tuck better.
lastly, in my opinion, you are flaring way too soon . for me my flare starts right before lockout.
good luck,
meat
Thanks guys, I appreciate the advice.
I notice that when I’m attempting a PR or a weight I feel is heavy, I tend to lose my elbow tuck as I’m almost afraid to bring it low. Guess I just have to have some more faith.
Also, I agree on the leg drive, I think my feet should be a little bit further from me, even if it means losing some arch.
Thanks again guys.
New guy here. I have been following this site, along with Elite, Joe D’s among many others for some time now, as I am a strength coach in Tulsa, OK. I have just recently switched over to Pling. From a mix background of training like I train my athletes I am currently training right out of the Elite Beginners Training Manual.
With a few additions and subtractions here and there, but nothing big. I’m 23, 175, drug free, and my lift are: No equip
Bench: ~305 I hit a solid 290x4 2 Board today and missed a 320
Squat: ~390 Hit 350 on 2.5" below parallel box Tuesday after hitting 290x5 (Belt last set)
DL: ~400
I am looking at getting into competing, but don’t really know what org’s are the best, rules, how meets run, ect. Any advice at all regarding competing or training would be awesome! Thanks
[quote]NateA wrote:
New guy here. I have been following this site, along with Elite, Joe D’s among many others for some time now, as I am a strength coach in Tulsa, OK. I have just recently switched over to Pling. From a mix background of training like I train my athletes I am currently training right out of the Elite Beginners Training Manual.
With a few additions and subtractions here and there, but nothing big. I’m 23, 175, drug free, and my lift are: No equip
Bench: ~305 I hit a solid 290x4 2 Board today and missed a 320
Squat: ~390 Hit 350 on 2.5" below parallel box Tuesday after hitting 290x5 (Belt last set)
DL: ~400
I am looking at getting into competing, but don’t really know what org’s are the best, rules, how meets run, ect. Any advice at all regarding competing or training would be awesome! Thanks[/quote]
go to www.powerliftingwatch.com there you can compare the different federations and decide what best suits your needs.
meat
Thurs ME Bench
1 board press, pinky on rings
5-45
5-95
5-135
3-155
1-185
1- 225
1- 245
1- 275
1- 295
1- 315 (PR)
xx - 335
335 came off my chest quickly, but my spotter said the bar stalled about 2-4 inches off the board, so about 4-6 inches off my chest.
neutral grip flat db press
3x8 85
1x6 85
pull ups
25 (took 5 sets)
elbows out tri xtn
3x
band press down
2x20
curls
3x
abs
i felt good going into the workout, and both my partner and i hit PRs so we were f**king pumped. my left elbow starting giving me a little pain on my 3rd set of elbows out so i cut it short and did some band press downs. its the same pain i had last week which prevented me from benching all last week. thought it was healed up but i guess i tweaked it. felt fine on my speed bench day on monday. any ideas or suggestions on why its hurting or how to keep it healthy? thanks.
lift heavy
J
[quote]windmill85 wrote:
Thurs ME Bench
1 board press, pinky on rings
5-45
5-95
5-135
3-155
1-185
1- 225
1- 245
1- 275
1- 295
1- 315 (PR)
xx - 335
335 came off my chest quickly, but my spotter said the bar stalled about 2-4 inches off the board, so about 4-6 inches off my chest.
neutral grip flat db press
3x8 85
1x6 85
pull ups
25 (took 5 sets)
elbows out tri xtn
3x
band press down
2x20
curls
3x
abs
i felt good going into the workout, and both my partner and i hit PRs so we were f**king pumped. my left elbow starting giving me a little pain on my 3rd set of elbows out so i cut it short and did some band press downs. its the same pain i had last week which prevented me from benching all last week. thought it was healed up but i guess i tweaked it. felt fine on my speed bench day on monday. any ideas or suggestions on why its hurting or how to keep it healthy? thanks.
lift heavy
J[/quote]
neoprene elbow sleeves are a great thing. they keep the heat in but allow your elbow to still move. I’ve found with the elbow, all you can do is don’t do movements that irritate it until it’s completely healed. once it’s healed, do those movements sparingly. usually it’s movements that don’t incorporate other joints such as skull crushers. I love skull crushers but they will destroy my elbows if I do them more than once a month. so, that once a month I go crazy with them.
meat
Bulking gone bad. No workout today. I think I ate a bad burger. ME bench is still on the table for tommorow. After this weeks ME session will be back off week with either rep work or ME with exercises I don’t usually do and can’t really move much weight with.
Left elbow has been killing me for a while now and have been using a wrap I bought at Dick’s instead of a sleeve. I dont think it is doing enough to support it. Where did you get yours?
Thanks,
A
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
neoprene elbow sleeves are a great thing. they keep the heat in but allow your elbow to still move. I’ve found with the elbow, all you can do is don’t do movements that irritate it until it’s completely healed. once it’s healed, do those movements sparingly. usually it’s movements that don’t incorporate other joints such as skull crushers. I love skull crushers but they will destroy my elbows if I do them more than once a month. so, that once a month I go crazy with them.
meat[/quote]
[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Left elbow has been killing me for a while now and have been using a wrap I bought at Dick’s instead of a sleeve. I dont think it is doing enough to support it. Where did you get yours?
Thanks,
A
maraudermeat wrote:
neoprene elbow sleeves are a great thing. they keep the heat in but allow your elbow to still move. I’ve found with the elbow, all you can do is don’t do movements that irritate it until it’s completely healed. once it’s healed, do those movements sparingly. usually it’s movements that don’t incorporate other joints such as skull crushers. I love skull crushers but they will destroy my elbows if I do them more than once a month. so, that once a month I go crazy with them.
meat
[/quote]
animal—my understanding is that the neoprenes are more for heat retention than support, the best being rehbands(the blue ones you see strongmen wearing) try jakals gym…as far as wraps go, i believe inzer makes the most supportive…hope that helps