Westside/PLing Training Thread

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]dre wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:

I know, we are only getting stronger. Besides, we can’t let those damn bastards over there at the Brotherhood of Iron thread catch us.

Although they probably will. They are leaner with more functional strength.

Modi… I couldn’t resist.

meat

Must…resist…urge…to kill…

You laugh at functional strength but what will happen when you need to get out of a life threatening situation by using all of your functional strenght? Huh? What will you do in that situation buddy!

I’m sorry, I got a whole lotta nuthin’.

On a more serious training note. Do you fellas have problems keeping your ass on the bench when benching?

I find that when I’m trying to drive with my legs I tend to bring my ass up. [/quote]

when you start driving with the legs, I see a lot of people pushing through the front of their shoes as if to do a leg extension. this will bring your ass up. I push through my heals and back to the head of the bench much like a leg curl. it actually keeps my ass down. i can tell when i’m not getting enough leg drive when my ass starts to float up a bit.

king of nonfunctional strength,
meat

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
dre wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:

I know, we are only getting stronger. Besides, we can’t let those damn bastards over there at the Brotherhood of Iron thread catch us.

Although they probably will. They are leaner with more functional strength.

Modi… I couldn’t resist.

meat

Must…resist…urge…to kill…

You laugh at functional strength but what will happen when you need to get out of a life threatening situation by using all of your functional strenght? Huh? What will you do in that situation buddy!

I’m sorry, I got a whole lotta nuthin’.

On a more serious training note. Do you fellas have problems keeping your ass on the bench when benching?

I find that when I’m trying to drive with my legs I tend to bring my ass up.

when you start driving with the legs, I see a lot of people pushing through the front of their shoes as if to do a leg extension. this will bring your ass up. I push through my heals and back to the head of the bench much like a leg curl. it actually keeps my ass down. i can tell when i’m not getting enough leg drive when my ass starts to float up a bit.

king of nonfunctional strength,
meat

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Thanks meat, I’ll try that!

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
dre wrote:
On a more serious training note. Do you fellas have problems keeping your ass on the bench when benching?

I find that when I’m trying to drive with my legs I tend to bring my ass up.

when you start driving with the legs, I see a lot of people pushing through the front of their shoes as if to do a leg extension. this will bring your ass up. I push through my heals and back to the head of the bench much like a leg curl. it actually keeps my ass down. i can tell when i’m not getting enough leg drive when my ass starts to float up a bit.

king of nonfunctional strength,
meat
[/quote]
Meat, that’s interesting. I found that when I drove with my heels my ass would come up off the bench, it was almost like a leg press motion rather than leg extension.

When I moved my feet out wider, almost uncomfortably wide, and pushed flat footed and away, almost like a leg extension, it pushed my ass towards my head, but it stays on the bench. If I don’t have enough weight on the bar I can slide up the bench because of the drive.

I also find it useful to engage everything, quads, glutes, hams, etc, which holds me tight. If I only focus on squeezing one muscle, then my hips want to rise up.

Then again, I’m not the one pushing 500+ :wink:

Dre, my suggestion for you is to throw the terminology out the window, find what combination works best for you, and then work on perfecting that.

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[quote]skidmark wrote:
Modi - Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I would say the two (not eating and not making the reps) are definitely related. I just need to start preparing my food days ahead so I don’t have to think about it during busy times. Checking out AA’s pics of his food prep, I guess I can’t say it’s impossible for me to do…
[/quote]

No problem. Hey, if you want to feel realy crappy about yourself, check out this link:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1569164&pageNo=0

Scroll down and read what TC feeds his dogs. If he can take the time to prepare food like this for them, then we can all take the time to prepare food for ourselves. I wouldn’t be surprised if his dogs eat better than half the people on this site.

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[quote]Modi wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
dre wrote:
On a more serious training note. Do you fellas have problems keeping your ass on the bench when benching?

I find that when I’m trying to drive with my legs I tend to bring my ass up.

when you start driving with the legs, I see a lot of people pushing through the front of their shoes as if to do a leg extension. this will bring your ass up. I push through my heals and back to the head of the bench much like a leg curl. it actually keeps my ass down. i can tell when i’m not getting enough leg drive when my ass starts to float up a bit.

king of nonfunctional strength,
meat

Meat, that’s interesting. I found that when I drove with my heels my ass would come up off the bench, it was almost like a leg press motion rather than leg extension.

When I moved my feet out wider, almost uncomfortably wide, and pushed flat footed and away, almost like a leg extension, it pushed my ass towards my head, but it stays on the bench. If I don’t have enough weight on the bar I can slide up the bench because of the drive.

I also find it useful to engage everything, quads, glutes, hams, etc, which holds me tight. If I only focus on squeezing one muscle, then my hips want to rise up.

Then again, I’m not the one pushing 500+ :wink:

Dre, my suggestion for you is to throw the terminology out the window, find what combination works best for you, and then work on perfecting that.
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Thanks Modi, I’ll try moving my feet out more. Right now I am trying to get them right underneath me. Maybe that has something to do with it also.

I guess I’ll just keep experimenting with foot placement until I find something that keeps my ass on the bench!

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

I find that when I’m trying to drive with my legs I tend to bring my ass up.

when you start driving with the legs, I see a lot of people pushing through the front of their shoes as if to do a leg extension. this will bring your ass up. I push through my heals and back to the head of the bench much like a leg curl. it actually keeps my ass down. i can tell when i’m not getting enough leg drive when my ass starts to float up a bit.
king of nonfunctional strength,
meat
[/quote]
Yeah, in the video of Dave Tate 1-board pressing 700lbs, you hear somebody yelling,

“BELLY, HEELS
BELLY, HEELS”

edit - I just re-watched it and he’s actually on his toes… Some that that may be due to the position of the bench brace… I don’t really know.

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Exactly with practice the drive should actually push/staple you down on the bench more aid the arch and ram your ass and upper back into the bench. Its more a drive up the bench and pulling you down

Phill

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
dre wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:

On a more serious training note. Do you fellas have problems keeping your ass on the bench when benching?

I find that when I’m trying to drive with my legs I tend to bring my ass up.

when you start driving with the legs, I see a lot of people pushing through the front of their shoes as if to do a leg extension. this will bring your ass up. I push through my heals and back to the head of the bench much like a leg curl. it actually keeps my ass down. i can tell when i’m not getting enough leg drive when my ass starts to float up a bit.

king of nonfunctional strength,
meat

[/quote]

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[quote]Modi wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
dre wrote:
On a more serious training note. Do you fellas have problems keeping your ass on the bench when benching?

I find that when I’m trying to drive with my legs I tend to bring my ass up.

when you start driving with the legs, I see a lot of people pushing through the front of their shoes as if to do a leg extension. this will bring your ass up. I push through my heals and back to the head of the bench much like a leg curl. it actually keeps my ass down. i can tell when i’m not getting enough leg drive when my ass starts to float up a bit.

king of nonfunctional strength,
meat

Meat, that’s interesting. I found that when I drove with my heels my ass would come up off the bench, it was almost like a leg press motion rather than leg extension.

When I moved my feet out wider, almost uncomfortably wide, and pushed flat footed and away, almost like a leg extension, it pushed my ass towards my head, but it stays on the bench. If I don’t have enough weight on the bar I can slide up the bench because of the drive.

I also find it useful to engage everything, quads, glutes, hams, etc, which holds me tight. If I only focus on squeezing one muscle, then my hips want to rise up.

Then again, I’m not the one pushing 500+ :wink:

Dre, my suggestion for you is to throw the terminology out the window, find what combination works best for you, and then work on perfecting that.
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OK I agree here also and think it makes a huge difference how you place your feet.If way bak on toes etc your going to have a different push then if flat footed etc.

I think its a matter more of not pushing UP, not driving down to the floor but learning how to drive you parallel, up the bench. and almost using legs to Pull you down.

LOL and I agree on the not the one benching 500+

were prob confusing the hell out of him I know it would me Like Modi said its finding how it works for you what helped me was like I said above not pushing Down, bringing you Up, but away, really arch the back HARD ass will staple to the bench. It really supports that arch For me one day it just clicked after lots and lots of trying. Now not having really benched in months Ill have to start all again LOL

Phill

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[quote]Modi wrote:
skidmark wrote:
Modi - Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I would say the two (not eating and not making the reps) are definitely related. I just need to start preparing my food days ahead so I don’t have to think about it during busy times. Checking out AA’s pics of his food prep, I guess I can’t say it’s impossible for me to do…

No problem. Hey, if you want to feel realy crappy about yourself, check out this link:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1569164&pageNo=0

Scroll down and read what TC feeds his dogs. If he can take the time to prepare food like this for them, then we can all take the time to prepare food for ourselves. I wouldn’t be surprised if his dogs eat better than half the people on this site.[/quote]

I just wanted to add this aint no bull shit ive seen it first hand on several occasions they do eat DAMN well. and yes better then id say 90% of the population. Great dogs though

Phill

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[quote]4est wrote:

Yeah, in the video of Dave Tate 1-board pressing 700lbs, you hear somebody yelling,

“BELLY, HEELS
BELLY, HEELS”

edit - I just re-watched it and he’s actually on his toes… Some that that may be due to the position of the bench brace… I don’t really know.

[/quote]

On a related note once i learned how to drive with the hams, really like it says above being on toes but trying to get heel down. I was tighter etc but man heavy ass load I would feel like I was going to tear a damn hammie. which just perplexed me how much tension goes to the legs etc during a becnh.

anyone else have a prob with that. Im talking major ass pressure in the legs to the point of near pain do to strain while pressing. Hell I could be nuts

Phill

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05/17/07 - Recovery day

A) Sat on my ass doing nothing all day

05/18/07 - Recovery day 2

A) More of the same

Ok, I’m bored. I’m ready for the meet. I went to my gym today to weigh myself. Holding pretty steady at 241.2 lbs. I should be fine for tomorrow.

Squat racks were empty. Looked quite lonely, not a single curler in sight, but they are used to it.

All the benches were empty, just sort of calling out to anyone who passed by…I looked the other way.

The whole place was eerily quiet, just a few cardio bunnies on the elipticals.

Would have a been a great day to train, I could have had the whole place to myself, but noooo, can’t touch any weights. I just walked around for a minute like a caged animal, and walked back out. The girl at the front desk gave me one of those “did you really just come in to the gym, weigh yourself, walk a lap around the gym and leave” looks. Yeah, you know the one.

Alright, I’m going a bit crazy, I’m ready to lift some heavy shit. Can someone please post their workout, so I can live vicariously through you?

Arrrghh, I’m so ready to tear this meet up, it’s killing me!

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[quote]

Arrrghh, I’m so ready to tear this meet up, it’s killing me![/quote]

Good luck in your meet! KILL those weights, Modi!

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Haha, nice one. Added another 35 pounds to my bench today - back up to 385 on bench. So I figure 5 more weeks of adding 35 a week on my bench and I will catch up to your non-functional numbers…

A “with abs” A out

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Phill wrote:
Great post meat

By the way man we toppled the 4000 barrier seems like yesterday was 2000

Phill

maraudermeat wrote:
gags wrote:

now having had over 700lbs on my back i can say that your squat is just silly

Thanks man!! I tell everyone that comments on the weight that I lift, that it is just a #. I used to look at heavy weight and say there’s no way. Once I decided to just look at it as a different # than before, I’ve made awesome gains. The sky is the limit. I always keep it safe and try to limit the risk of injury. I either lift it or not, either way- there’s no fear.

meat

I know, we are only getting stronger. Besides, we can’t let those damn bastards over there at the Brotherhood of Iron thread catch us.

Although they probably will. They are leaner with more functional strength.

Modi… I couldn’t resist.

meat

[/quote]

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[quote]Modi wrote:
05/17/07 - Recovery day

A) Sat on my ass doing nothing all day

05/18/07 - Recovery day 2

A) More of the same

Ok, I’m bored. I’m ready for the meet. I went to my gym today to weigh myself. Holding pretty steady at 241.2 lbs. I should be fine for tomorrow.

Squat racks were empty. Looked quite lonely, not a single curler in sight, but they are used to it.

All the benches were empty, just sort of calling out to anyone who passed by…I looked the other way.

The whole place was eerily quiet, just a few cardio bunnies on the elipticals.

Would have a been a great day to train, I could have had the whole place to myself, but noooo, can’t touch any weights. I just walked around for a minute like a caged animal, and walked back out. The girl at the front desk gave me one of those “did you really just come in to the gym, weigh yourself, walk a lap around the gym and leave” looks. Yeah, you know the one.

Alright, I’m going a bit crazy, I’m ready to lift some heavy shit. Can someone please post their workout, so I can live vicariously through you?

Arrrghh, I’m so ready to tear this meet up, it’s killing me![/quote]

I know the feeling, Modi. I haven’t lifted a weight in 6 days. Except when I demonstrated a rack pull to one of the friends of mine that I’m training with 185lbs. And then I benched the bar a few times and felt like I had mental blue balls.

Luckily, there is a heavy bag right in front of the benches, so I could let out a little pent-up aggression.

I’ve really been antsy and anxious this whole week. I just hope that I tapered well.

If you will, please let me share a little piece of my passion for lifting heavy shit, Matt Kroc style (for those of you that have seen his poetry in his lifting logs).

“You take all the love you’ve ever felt, all the hate that’s built inside you- fear, rage, rejection, frustration- and you plant it deep within your heart like a deformed seed. You wait until that seed grows in the moist, red soil, and then the whole heart turns black. Like a washed up seal covered in oil, drowned in the clinging substance… only this is much more alive. Your heart beats faster and harder, adrenaline pumps this scalding oil through your veins until it drowns your brain, permeates your every organ, until there is nothing left that is pure. You grip it so tight that the bones in your hands bend and bow under the pressure. You teeth are biting down so hard that the enamel begins to crumble. Pressure building in your chest cracks the breastplate and the hot smoke billows out until your eyes and face turn black.”

See you tomorrow morn, Modi.

-Matt

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[quote]Modi wrote:
Can someone please post their workout, so I can live vicariously through you?

Matt McGorry wrote:

I know the feeling, Modi. I haven’t lifted a weight in 6 days. Except when I demonstrated a rack pull to one of the friends of mine that I’m training with 185lbs. And then I benched the bar a few times and felt like I had mental blue balls.
[/quote]
Umm, I was hoping for something a bit more motivating than a 185 rack pull and some 45lb benching, but thanks for thinking of me! lol.

Now that’s what I’m talking about! I just printed that out. Great piece of motivation!

See you bright and early Matt!

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Odds and Ends day

Standing calf raises
235x13,12,12

wrist roller
30x3,3,3 (outsides)
30x4,4,4 (insides)

side bends
115x10,10

I like those side bends, they’ve brought some lateral stabilization to my spine for squats and deads.

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Guys… Check this thread about odd old lifts:

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1572897

Phill,
You gotta see some of the one hand lifts.

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5/18/07 DE Bench

A)DE Bench w/doubled minis=135 x 8 x 3, all with “comp” grip

B)RE DB Flat Bench=110 x 13

C)Seated Cable Row=223.5 x 6 x 4

D)Single-Arm Tricep Rope Extension=30 x 12, 10, 8

E)Alternating DB Curl=40 x 10, 8, 8

F)Freemotion Chest Fly=90 x 12, 10, slow 6

NOTES: Bodyweight is down 6.5 pounds from last Monday to 229. A little fast, but strength is still good and belly/ass getting smaller. Plus I feel better. I think if I hit 220 I’ll bump my calories back up and get to a leaner 230-235.

Speed work was definitely in order. I paused all my reps at the chest and felt pretty fast. 'Course, 135 with a little band tension should be fast.

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[quote]skidmark wrote:

Arrrghh, I’m so ready to tear this meet up, it’s killing me!

Good luck in your meet! KILL those weights, Modi! [/quote]

YES channel that shit and kick some ass best of luck
Phill

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Haha, nice one. Added another 35 pounds to my bench today - back up to 385 on bench. So I figure 5 more weeks of adding 35 a week on my bench and I will catch up to your non-functional numbers…

A “with abs” A out

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Ha nice work

Phill