[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]RealPC wrote:
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Where does it say that all of those guys use linear progression?[/quote]
It doesn’t. But I will spell out a few things that this dipshit clearly doesn’t understand.
Linear periodization has many variations.
If I do singles every week, and never plan out a cycle and just add 15-20 pounds each week until I hit a max, that is linear periodization. If I start out a cycle and do a set of 12, then 10 the next week heavier, then 8, then a few weeks of 5’s adding weight, then 3’s…that’s a form of linear periodzation.
It can run for 3 weeks or 16 weeks or even longer.
At it’s core periodzation is nothing more than simple planned progression. It can be in either load (%), total tonnage used (in a heavy/light/medium system), or a variety of ways. It can wave like Wendler’s 5/3/1 or be linear. If I had left off the “linear” part dipshit might not have had such a fit. The point being, using simple progression and making a program based around the actual lifts is a far better route for raw guys than westside.
Wendler is stronger now than when he trained at WSB, and weighs 40 pounds less. If WSB were the bees knees, that shit doesn’t happen. Scott Yard has experienced the same “phenomenon”.
So to get back to the point I made in my first post, if you want to be as strong as possible out of equipment, don’t do westside. Do something else. I don’t give a fuck what you call it.
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Wait, so I’m the dipshit, but you’re the one who can’t even DEFINE what it is you’re talking about. Waved progressions, volume/intensity waves, NONE of that is LINEAR PROGRESSION.
5/3/1 is volume/intensity cycling, not linear progression. Linear progression is simply adding x amount of weight to the bar every time you train consistently for long amounts of time.
[quote]RealPC wrote:
I don’t really care. I think you’ve missed that even though I’ve stressed it over and over again. My point from the very beginning is that if you are a raw lifter, you’re better off finding something like linear progression. If you want to hang your nuts on the fact that I said most go ahead. You’re just debating semantics.
My main point from the beginning has been that the top raw guys don’t use westside barbell. They don’t. Now have a glass of shut the fuck up juice and do just that. Thanks.[/quote]
“Just arguing semantics”? I’m arguing with you about what you SAID, so yes, I guess that would count as “arguing semantics”. It’s not my fault that you’re too retarded to understand the difference between linear periodization and any sort of short-cycle based programming.
Would you mind explaining to me how KK’s training is at all LINEAR PROGRESSION, since he rotates lifts and intensities on a weekly basis.
Why don’t you take the shut the fuck up juice, and finish off the carton.[/quote]
Your stats homeboy. You asked for mine. What are yours?
I hate to tell you but rotating lifts is something that is common in every kind of progression model you can think of. This does not define it as conjugate training. I’m certain now that you don’t even know what the fuck you’re talking about.
The intensity rotation you talk about is nothing more than a heavy/medium/light system that goes back to the 50’s and 60’s. Again, it’s a basic progression model. It is not “conjugate” training.
Day 1 - KK does heavy block deadlift, then medium bench, then heavy floor deadlift and a heavy box squat
Day 2 - he does a medium squat and heavy bench
Day 3 - a light squat, a light deadlift and a light bench and assistance work like chins and hypers. This kind of shit goes back to the 70’s. Just because he adds bands doesn’t make it conjugate training.
How old are you really? Because people have trained like this for fucking decades. Ever heard of Mike Bridges dumbass?
Mon-squat, bench press, deadlift
Wed-squat not as heavy as Monday, bench press moderately
Friday-heavy as heck on all three lifts
WOW! IT LOOKS REALLY SIMILAR! This is not conjugate training dumbass.
This is the standard NY City Gym powerlifting routine going back to the fucking 60’s…
Standard NY City PL program 1960-1980s:
Mon-squat (heavy) and bench press (light)
Wed-Squat (moderate to light) and deadlift-heavy
Fri-bench press (heavy) and deadlift-light stressing speed
I could put KK’s name on the routine above and it wouldn’t be far off.
Something you very clearly don’t understand about “conjugate training” is that the movements being used for max effort work have to be rotated. KK doesn’t rotate his pressing, it’s always just a bench press. He uses two squats. 1 set of heavy box squats after his heavy deadlifts, and then Olympic style the rest of the time. The only thing he changes is that he pulls from different heights on blocks. Hell I do that every other week. I do not train “conjugate method”.
And the point that you keep refusing to discuss is that I don’t give a shit. If you want to squabble about simple progression from linear periodization (the same fucking thing) go ahead. My point from post ONE is that the top raw guys don’t use westside or the “conjugate method”. This is what you got your panties in a knot over. I suggest seeking medical help for it, since you can’t seem to get that knot out on your own.