Weak People on T-Nation

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What the hell is up with everyone shouting how short and small they were and that’s why they were/are so weak?! I’m 5’6", so I’m fucking short too, but I never thought I couldn’t be big and/or strong. And what the fuck is up with people claiming they struggled to bench the bar when they started? You really couldn’t push 45 pounds off your chest? My son is 11 fucking years old and can bench the bar for several reps no problem.

I understand we all start somewhere, and yes, some people started stronger than other, but SO FUCKING WHAT? I honestly don’t really care how much anyone gained or how hard it was to get to a 250 pound bench. It’s still not strong. I’m not congratulating anyone for that. If you’re making progress, you probably already know it and shouldn’t be satisfied with mediocre lifts.

So what it took you longer and you had to work harder to get to average. You’re still only average, now. Keep fucking working! If it was really that hard to get that far, than you should already be used to hard work. Hell, it might even get easier for you (to a point).

People gets head starts in life in all sorts of things. People are going to start out stronger than you. That’s life! Suck it up and don’t expect a fucking pat on the back for making it to the median.

I know I’m rambling here, but this thread pisses me off. So you’re weak? So you have poor genetics (I doubt that)? Do something about it and quit pointing fingers and making excuses. And don’t be proud to be average. Especially don’t be proud to be weak!

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[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
I think you’re forgetting the fact that this site was designed to be elitist by nature.

There are more run of the mill environments out there for people to leverage if they don’t find what they seek here.

Sorry but where was that mentionned? Bare with me bro but if there’s a fucking beginner’s section, then it’s not just a site for pro body builders.

As PX has mentionned several times, there are very few people here who are really hardcore (by his standards anyways :P) so if it really was such an elitist site, we wouldn’t be here Neelydan. You and me both. [/quote]

Ignoring your clever little strength in numbers tactic you just pulled - sly by the way - this is also a company-sponsored website. Do you think it’s a big stretch that the company wants to cater to all walks of life?

Right then.

You’re also forgetting that the site has deteriorated over the years relative to the number of ‘elitist’ lifters that are active - this is again a very common thread you see among the older, more established posters - not just Professor X.

And lastly - dude - who the fuck cares? Why is it so critical to you that you’re slapped on the back for pushing 225? Seems to me you’re deriving validation from entirely wrong places.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
It’s incredible how everyone’s post is the exact same when you look at the last 2-3 pages.

“Z&K suck, they’re not pushing hard and they’re making excuses. ME on the other side, I’m pushing more than everyone in the world and I started out at X weight and now I’m at Y benching W, one day I’ll be J. Blah blah blah…”

It’s pretty sad that on a bodybuilding site, nobody compliments others on their achievements but instead bashes them and tries to show how better they are. It’s like if you can’t lift half a ton and increase your lean body mass by 100 pounds after a year of training, you’re a failure and you’re training like a douche.

That’s your interpretation, though.

I say kudos to the guys giving shit to someone who says they’re 5’6 and destined to be small. Why cater and humour such whiny bullshit?

A lot of these guys doing the bashing have been through the trenches and accomplished what 90% of the site says they cannot, under similar circumstances. Couple that with the fact that they’ve seen 10 years of the same shit, and you can understand how they’re a touch less than gentle when it comes to conveying their thoughts.

A lot of people just can’t accept the fact that they ARE training like a douchebag. I know I was.

Yeah I agree NeelyDan. I’m not a paragon of progress by any means. I’ve screwed up a number of times. But here’s the thing–I went through that phase when I started out. Same circumstances, same excuses floating through my head. It took PX and others bashing me to knock me out of that funk. If I’d been told “hey, nice going dudez” repeatedly, I’d never have made the progress I did.

If anyone Oogies me (please god don’t do that) they can easily see what an idiot I was when I first started posting after my lurking phase. And they can easily see that I got the same type of crap from PX that others do now. But it was a good thing.

Kataklysm–there’s plenty of compliments floating around, for those who’ve earned it. The whole idea is that your results have to be good. You have to earn the compliment.

The other thing is that this ISN’T about the 1 year mark. It’s about the 5-10 year mark. A newb who rocked some good progress in a year WILL get complimented, and then told to shut up and do it for another year.

The journey’s not over after 1 year. It’s never over.

Similar to DoubleDuce, I know and have trained a couple of times with a “top 20” PLer. I shut the hell up and listen to what he says. And he a lot of times gives me crap like PX does to newbs. I can’t offer him anything, so I ask questions and shut up and LISTEN to the answers, even when, ESPECIALLY when, I don’t like the answers. I know my place, and my place is to shut up and listen.

Look, most people know me as a fairly level-headed individual. the big problems I have are

  1. newbs who give advice instead of taking it. Shut up and/or ask questions. Know your place, pay your dues, just like all of us did.

  2. people who haven’t made any significant progress towards their goals. It doesn’t matter so much what their goals are to me, as how much closer they’ve gotten to them. I don’t care if you want to be a rock climber, an MMA artist, a PLer, or a bodybuilder, or a track athlete, or to lose tons of fat. Just work at it and make progress.

Caveat to #1-- it’s perfectly cool to share your experiences and what you’ve learned through them to other people. There are a couple people on the Beginner’s forum who’ve been helpful to the newbs there while still being relative beginners themselves. They share their experiences, and what they learned. That’s cool. People can learn from that. It’s NOT cool to give advice in an authoritative manner.

Caveat to #2-- whether the progress is significant depends on a few things-- training age, starting point, disabilities, injuries, health problems, all that stuff. It doesn’t have to be mindblowing, but it should reflect the amount of effort one says he’s put into things. Also, a good attitude goes lightyears towards NOT being harassed. [/quote]

Very nice post, can’t really argue with that haha.

I agree that beeing strong depends on your perspective. Someone who’s been lifting for a decade probably thinks that a 245 bench is weak, but for me, who started out at 65, it’s a huge feat. Eventually it will seem weak to me as well and I’ll look forward to 315.

That’s why you can’t just look at someone’s lifts and say “you’re weak” because when you look at the structure you don’t see all the bricks, steel, wood and concrete that it took to build it.

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[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
I think you’re forgetting the fact that this site was designed to be elitist by nature.

There are more run of the mill environments out there for people to leverage if they don’t find what they seek here.

Sorry but where was that mentionned? Bare with me bro but if there’s a fucking beginner’s section, then it’s not just a site for pro body builders.

As PX has mentionned several times, there are very few people here who are really hardcore (by his standards anyways :P) so if it really was such an elitist site, we wouldn’t be here Neelydan. You and me both.

Ignoring your clever little strength in numbers tactic you just pulled - sly by the way - this is also a company-sponsored website. Do you think it’s a big stretch that the company wants to cater to all walks of life?

Right then.

You’re also forgetting that the site has deteriorated over the years relative to the number of ‘elitist’ lifters that are active - this is again a very common thread you see among the older, more established posters - not just Professor X.

And lastly - dude - who the fuck cares? Why is it so critical to you that you’re slapped on the back for pushing 225? Seems to me you’re deriving validation from entirely wrong places.

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It’s not critical to me, I know what I’m worth and can go without anyone telling me. I’m just tired of “elitists” who shit on everyone that doesn’t lift as much as they do.

And I don’t know what you’re talking about with your numbers.

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[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
I’m just tired of “elitists” who shit on everyone that doesn’t lift as much as they do.
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I’d like to see some of these “elitists”. Are they in real life or on this site? Because, I can’t remember anyone off the top of my head that “shits” on someone who lifts lighter weights. In fact, I would almost say it’s the opposite. Weaker and less experience lifters shit on people for accomplishing goals if these goals fall outside their capabilities, whatever the goals may be.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
So, you really assume that every big guy you see who uses steroids somehow neglects to train hard and eat right? Do you think Ronnie Coleman looks the way he does simply because he used steroids?[/quote]

Professor X, now Im not saying you are on juice because I really have no idea, but seeing as how you are so knowledgeable about most things when it comes to weightlifting,

you must know that one of the most if not the most beneficial side effect of juice is the massively increased drive to eat and lift, you dont just get more dedicated because you are juicing, the juice makes you more dedicated.

Its not like juice only helps build the muscle but you have to put in all the blood sweat and tears! I know how it is!

How can I say this simply. Lets see. YOU DONT GET TIRED WHEN YOU ARE JUICING, it is a fucking superhero drug, YOU ARE NEARLY INVULNERABLE TO FATIGUE, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO GO TO THE GYM, that is what the drug does to you.

Its fucking cheating plain and simple, thats the only thing I never understood about you X, why you respect people who juice over those who arent nearly as strong with the only difference between the two is the juice.

The reason I say know all of this is because I took an over the counter anabolic a few years back, and it laughable how much bigger and stronger I got, easily putting 20lbs on over a 3 month period, and that wasnt even the strong shit, so please, cut the fucking bullshit acting like you are a more disciplined, harder worker if you juice and get huge as a result.

This dedication you talk about X, it can be purchased, there has to be some higher standard for those you have that dedication, and the strength and size to boot, without cheating.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
So, you really assume that every big guy you see who uses steroids somehow neglects to train hard and eat right? Do you think Ronnie Coleman looks the way he does simply because he used steroids?

Professor X, now Im not saying you are on juice because I really have no idea, but seeing as how you are so knowledgeable about most things when it comes to weightlifting,

you must know that one of the most if not the most beneficial side effect of juice is the massively increased drive to eat and lift, you dont just get more dedicated because you are juicing, the juice makes you more dedicated.

Its not like juice only helps build the muscle but you have to put in all the blood sweat and tears! I know how it is!

How can I say this simply. Lets see. YOU DONT GET TIRED WHEN YOU ARE JUICING, it is a fucking superhero drug, YOU ARE NEARLY INVULNERABLE TO FATIGUE, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO GO TO THE GYM, that is what the drug does to you.

Its fucking cheating plain and simple, thats the only thing I never understood about you X, why you respect people who juice over those who arent nearly as strong with the only difference between the two is the juice.

The reason I say know all of this is because I took an over the counter anabolic a few years back, and it laughable how much bigger and stronger I got,

easily putting 20lbs on over a 3 month period, and that wasnt even the strong shit, so please, cut the fucking bullshit acting like you are a more disciplined, harder worker if you juice and get huge as a result.

This dedication you talk about X, it can be purchased, there has to be some higher standard for those you have that dedication, and the strength and size to boot, without cheating.

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Wow. The reality of the sport is that pretty much any advanced lifter with personal size and strength goals in mind will absolutely use steroids. I don’t doubt for a second that most if not all of the ridiculously big guys on Tnation, including Prof. X, have been on some form of AAS.

I don’t see how this could be viewed as cheating either when it’s for personal gains only. If you’re doing it to get an edge over other players in a sport then yes it’s cheating, but otherwise I don’t think so. If it makes the thing we love doing so much even better, than I don’t see what’s wrong there.

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This site is xenophobilicious.

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Worry about your own shit.

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Not juicing is just another excuse for being small and weak in my book. Same as blaming genetics.

If your logic is true, then people who have naturally higher testosterone should find it easier to squat so hard you pop capillaries. So, if you aren’t dedicated, it must be in the genes.

And believe it our not, I’m lifetime (illegal) drug free.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
So, you really assume that every big guy you see who uses steroids somehow neglects to train hard and eat right? Do you think Ronnie Coleman looks the way he does simply because he used steroids?

Professor X, now Im not saying you are on juice because I really have no idea, but seeing as how you are so knowledgeable about most things when it comes to weightlifting,

you must know that one of the most if not the most beneficial side effect of juice is the massively increased drive to eat and lift, you dont just get more dedicated because you are juicing, the juice makes you more dedicated.

Its not like juice only helps build the muscle but you have to put in all the blood sweat and tears! I know how it is!

How can I say this simply. Lets see. YOU DONT GET TIRED WHEN YOU ARE JUICING, it is a fucking superhero drug, YOU ARE NEARLY INVULNERABLE TO FATIGUE, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO GO TO THE GYM, that is what the drug does to you.

Its fucking cheating plain and simple, thats the only thing I never understood about you X, why you respect people who juice over those who arent nearly as strong with the only difference between the two is the juice.

The reason I say know all of this is because I took an over the counter anabolic a few years back, and it laughable how much bigger and stronger I got, easily putting 20lbs on over a 3 month period, and that wasnt even the strong shit, so please, cut the fucking bullshit acting like you are a more disciplined, harder worker if you juice and get huge as a result.

This dedication you talk about X, it can be purchased, there has to be some higher standard for those you have that dedication, and the strength and size to boot, without cheating.

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I don’t know what kind of “juice” you’re talking about, I sure as hell know there’s no “super hero” drug out there.

You obviously have NO idea what you’re talking about.

Please state your facts on: “How can I say this simply. Lets see. YOU DONT GET TIRED WHEN YOU ARE JUICING, it is a fucking superhero drug, YOU ARE NEARLY INVULNERABLE TO FATIGUE, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO GO TO THE GYM, that is what the drug does to you.”

Tell me.

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You can’t really deny that AAS make a huge fucking difference. It’s easy to say “Steroids don’t matter, you still have to train hard and eat well” when you’ve been juicing, because you don’t know what you’d look like if you hadn’t been using gear.

Now I don’t know if it’s a superhero drug, but seeing crazy results sure as hell is motivating itself.

So you’re denying that genetics and gear play a huge part in development? In other words, a 5"3 ectomorph could become the next Jay Cutler gear free, with enough passionate dedication and chicken breasts? Please.

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Superhero Drug? Is this like Captain America status? Tell me!

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[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
You can’t really deny that AAS make a huge fucking difference. It’s easy to say “Steroids don’t matter, you still have to train hard and eat well” when you’ve been juicing, because you don’t know what you’d look like if you hadn’t been using gear.

Now I don’t know if it’s a superhero drug, but seeing crazy results sure as hell is motivating itself.

Not juicing is just another excuse for being small and weak in my book. Same as blaming genetics.

So you’re denying that genetics and gear play a huge part in development? In other words, a 5"3 ectomorph could become the next Jay Cutler gear free, with enough passionate dedication and chicken breasts? Please. [/quote]

Steroids will enhance what you already have, period. They will not change a lazy guy, into a motivated and dedicated guy. Will it assist? Sure, to a certain degree. Doses, types, and length of time, factor into this as well.

Superhero drug? Give me a fucking break.

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[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
You can’t really deny that AAS make a huge fucking difference. It’s easy to say “Steroids don’t matter, you still have to train hard and eat well” when you’ve been juicing, because you don’t know what you’d look like if you hadn’t been using gear.

Now I don’t know if it’s a superhero drug, but seeing crazy results sure as hell is motivating itself.

Not juicing is just another excuse for being small and weak in my book. Same as blaming genetics.

So you’re denying that genetics and gear play a huge part in development? In other words, a 5"3 ectomorph could become the next Jay Cutler gear free, with enough passionate dedication and chicken breasts? Please. [/quote]

I never said anything about genes and drugs making a difference or not. What I said was, they are used as excuses and that almost anyone can get big and strong.

Do you think Cutler would be small and weak if he had chosen to never juice? Unless you have maxed out what you can get with your genetics and natural hormones, you are just whining by blaming either one. I doubt anyone here has maxed out there genetic potential, so quit whining.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
How can I say this simply. Lets see. YOU DONT GET TIRED WHEN YOU ARE JUICING, it is a fucking superhero drug, YOU ARE NEARLY INVULNERABLE TO FATIGUE, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO GO TO THE GYM, that is what the drug does to you.

This dedication you talk about X, it can be purchased, there has to be some higher standard for those you have that dedication, and the strength and size to boot, without cheating.

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This is the most laughable post for the day. You don’t get tired when ur juicing??? Pls point me to the facts to back this ridiculous statement up.

A superhero drug…this is what the drug does TO you.

Interpretation: Exogenous testosterone has a mind of its own and does things TO you. Hahaha.

Cheating? Who is anyone cheating when they juice? Is there some sort of game being played that I’m not aware of where the said juicer cheats at?

So what about someone with low T? Should they try to raise their T through supplements and if the do so are they cheating? If the do it through prohormones are they then cheating? Only when they inject then they are truly cheating? At what, the game of life?

And what about someone with naturally high T? Are their genes cheating us all. Please, inform us all of your insightful logic.

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Reading this thread has made me want to put my head through the brick wall that I am sitting next to. I have never heard so many excuses and justification for being weak and bashing on guys that are strong.

It’s all genetics… anyone big and strong must be juicing… I’m a hardgainer… if I took steroids I would look just like X or Bauer… Lifting weight is easier for you because gravity doesn’t affect you as much.

Believe it or not, you can get big and strong without steroids, without superior genetics, even if you are a “hardgainer”. If people would lift and eat with the same intensity and passion as they spend whining on this site, they would find out this fact for themselves.

Quit giving yourselves excuses to be weak and stop thinking that every big/strong guy you see is on juice, because they are not.

Here is the secret formula that will make you big and strong…Big Weights + Tons of food + Even More Dedication + Time = Big Muscles

Now go pick up something really heavy!!!

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
You can’t really deny that AAS make a huge fucking difference. It’s easy to say “Steroids don’t matter, you still have to train hard and eat well” when you’ve been juicing, because you don’t know what you’d look like if you hadn’t been using gear.

Now I don’t know if it’s a superhero drug, but seeing crazy results sure as hell is motivating itself.

Not juicing is just another excuse for being small and weak in my book. Same as blaming genetics.

So you’re denying that genetics and gear play a huge part in development? In other words, a 5"3 ectomorph could become the next Jay Cutler gear free, with enough passionate dedication and chicken breasts? Please.

I never said anything about genes and drugs making a difference or not. What I said was, they are used as excuses and that almost anyone can get big and strong. Do you think Cutler would be small and weak if he had chosen to never juice?

Unless you have maxed out what you can get with your genetics and natural hormones, you are just whining by blaming either one. I doubt anyone here has maxed out there genetic potential, so quit whining.[/quote]

I disagree with you, hence I argue. How is that whining? I could care less that people are juicing, bodybuilding is an individual sport. But don’t come telling me I’m weak after sticking a fucking needle in your tricep.

I agree, Cutler would still be big and strong that’s obvious. I’m not saying you can’t get there without steroids man, my point is simply that it helps a big fucking deal.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
So, you really assume that every big guy you see who uses steroids somehow neglects to train hard and eat right? Do you think Ronnie Coleman looks the way he does simply because he used steroids?

Professor X, now Im not saying you are on juice because I really have no idea, but seeing as how you are so knowledgeable about most things when it comes to weightlifting,

you must know that one of the most if not the most beneficial side effect of juice is the massively increased drive to eat and lift, you dont just get more dedicated because you are juicing, the juice makes you more dedicated.

Its not like juice only helps build the muscle but you have to put in all the blood sweat and tears! I know how it is!

How can I say this simply. Lets see. YOU DONT GET TIRED WHEN YOU ARE JUICING, it is a fucking superhero drug, YOU ARE NEARLY INVULNERABLE TO FATIGUE, YOU ALWAYS WANT TO GO TO THE GYM, that is what the drug does to you.

Its fucking cheating plain and simple, thats the only thing I never understood about you X, why you respect people who juice over those who arent nearly as strong with the only difference between the two is the juice.

The reason I say know all of this is because I took an over the counter anabolic a few years back, and it laughable how much bigger and stronger I got, easily putting 20lbs on over a 3 month period, and that wasnt even the strong shit, so please, cut the fucking bullshit acting like you are a more disciplined, harder worker if you juice and get huge as a result.

This dedication you talk about X, it can be purchased, there has to be some higher standard for those you have that dedication, and the strength and size to boot, without cheating.

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How can you have been on this site for so long, yet be so ignorant about steroid use? Let me point you in the direction of the steroid forums… Go learn a thing or two before blabbing on the subject matter.

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[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
I disagree with you, hence I argue. How is that whining? I could care less that people are juicing, bodybuilding is an individual sport. But don’t come telling me I’m weak after sticking a fucking needle in your tricep.
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For a site called “Testosterone Nation” there always seem to be a good dose of vitriol by a significant group of small, weak people on this site when it comes to the subject of Testosterone. He he he.