Weak People on T-Nation

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[quote]Split wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whereami wrote:
I’m weak but I’m a lot stronger than I was this time last year.

Cookie?

Hey prof, isnt the point of lifting weights and of this site, to get stronger? Why make fun of the guy who is admitting his weaknessess and yet making progress?[/quote]

I inquired what he wanted from his statement. He stated he was weak. That’s like saying, “I’m making D’s in my classes but that’s an improvement over all F’s last year!!!” Why do people want praise for any effort at all?

I saw an obese lady at the store just now in one of those scooters. One of her items was a six pack of Diet Coke. Care to start the thread about how great that is? I mean, she IS trying, right?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Split wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whereami wrote:
I’m weak but I’m a lot stronger than I was this time last year.

Cookie?

Hey prof, isnt the point of lifting weights and of this site, to get stronger? Why make fun of the guy who is admitting his weaknessess and yet making progress?

I inquired what he wanted from his statement. He stated he was weak. That’s like saying, “I’m making D’s in my classes but that’s an improvement over all F’s last year!!!” Why do people want praise for any effort at all?

I saw an obese lady at the store just now in one of those scooters. One of her items was a six pack of Diet Coke. Care to start the thread about how great that is? I mean, she IS trying, right?

[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Split wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whereami wrote:
I’m weak but I’m a lot stronger than I was this time last year.

Cookie?

Hey prof, isnt the point of lifting weights and of this site, to get stronger? Why make fun of the guy who is admitting his weaknessess and yet making progress?

I inquired what he wanted from his statement. He stated he was weak. That’s like saying, “I’m making D’s in my classes but that’s an improvement over all F’s last year!!!” Why do people want praise for any effort at all?

I saw an obese lady at the store just now in one of those scooters. One of her items was a six pack of Diet Coke. Care to start the thread about how great that is? I mean, she IS trying, right?

[/quote]

That’s pretty funny man, but it’s not a very good example really. More like: I saw this obese lady at the store just now, she use to have one of those scooters but apparently she’s trying to lose weight and can now walk without the scooter.

She’s still fat, but she’s progressing and I think that’s nice… In the same line of thought, anyone who decides to start lifting and does what it takes in and out of the weight room to make steady progress deserves respect.

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[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Split wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whereami wrote:
I’m weak but I’m a lot stronger than I was this time last year.

Cookie?

Hey prof, isnt the point of lifting weights and of this site, to get stronger? Why make fun of the guy who is admitting his weaknessess and yet making progress?

I inquired what he wanted from his statement. He stated he was weak. That’s like saying, “I’m making D’s in my classes but that’s an improvement over all F’s last year!!!” Why do people want praise for any effort at all?

I saw an obese lady at the store just now in one of those scooters. One of her items was a six pack of Diet Coke. Care to start the thread about how great that is? I mean, she IS trying, right?

That’s pretty funny man, but it’s not a very good example really. More like: I saw this obese lady at the store just now, she use to have one of those scooters but apparently she’s trying to lose weight and can now walk without the scooter.

She’s still fat, but she’s progressing and I think that’s nice… In the same line of thought, anyone who decides to start lifting and does what it takes in and out of the weight room to make steady progress deserves respect.

[/quote]

Anyone who truly does what it takes in and out of the gym won’t be “weak” for very long. Therefore, why acknowledge those who claim they still are just because they started?

You either praise any effort at all (including the fat lady in the scooter with her Diet Coke) OR you admit that there are degrees of success that determine what actually gets rewarded.

You just admitted you would NOT praise the woman in the scooter until she got out of it. Well then, I will not praise people who claim they are weak until they aren’t anymore.

Why are you right with the belief that I’m wrong when you hold the exact same philosophy?

Hypocrite?

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Mediocrity should never be rewarded. That’s is one of the biggest problems in the world today, and in my opinion it occurs far too much in both schools and sports.

Life isn’t about feeling warm & fuzzy inside because everyone tells you how great you are for trying hard, if that’s what you are looking for go join a support group or something like that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Split wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whereami wrote:
I’m weak but I’m a lot stronger than I was this time last year.

Cookie?

Hey prof, isnt the point of lifting weights and of this site, to get stronger? Why make fun of the guy who is admitting his weaknessess and yet making progress?

I inquired what he wanted from his statement. He stated he was weak. That’s like saying, “I’m making D’s in my classes but that’s an improvement over all F’s last year!!!” Why do people want praise for any effort at all?

I saw an obese lady at the store just now in one of those scooters. One of her items was a six pack of Diet Coke. Care to start the thread about how great that is? I mean, she IS trying, right?

That’s pretty funny man, but it’s not a very good example really. More like: I saw this obese lady at the store just now, she use to have one of those scooters but apparently she’s trying to lose weight and can now walk without the scooter.

She’s still fat, but she’s progressing and I think that’s nice… In the same line of thought, anyone who decides to start lifting and does what it takes in and out of the weight room to make steady progress deserves respect.

Anyone who truly does what it takes in and out of the gym won’t be “weak” for very long. Therefore, why acknowledge those who claim they still are just because they started?

You either praise any effort at all (including the fat lady in the scooter with her Diet Coke) OR you admit that there are degrees of success that determine what actually gets rewarded.

You just admitted you would NOT praise the woman in the scooter until she got out of it. Well then, I will not praise people who claim they are weak until they aren’t anymore.

Why are you right with the belief that I’m wrong when you hold the exact same philosophy?

Hypocrite?[/quote]

Haha… I think we’re just not looking at it the same way.
It’s just the matter of being “strong or weak” that is too subjective.
Anyhow, it’s about time to let this thread die I think.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Split wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whereami wrote:
I’m weak but I’m a lot stronger than I was this time last year.

Cookie?

Hey prof, isnt the point of lifting weights and of this site, to get stronger? Why make fun of the guy who is admitting his weaknessess and yet making progress?

I inquired what he wanted from his statement. He stated he was weak. That’s like saying, “I’m making D’s in my classes but that’s an improvement over all F’s last year!!!” Why do people want praise for any effort at all?

I saw an obese lady at the store just now in one of those scooters. One of her items was a six pack of Diet Coke. Care to start the thread about how great that is? I mean, she IS trying, right?

That’s pretty funny man, but it’s not a very good example really. More like: I saw this obese lady at the store just now, she use to have one of those scooters but apparently she’s trying to lose weight and can now walk without the scooter.

She’s still fat, but she’s progressing and I think that’s nice… In the same line of thought, anyone who decides to start lifting and does what it takes in and out of the weight room to make steady progress deserves respect.

Anyone who truly does what it takes in and out of the gym won’t be “weak” for very long. Therefore, why acknowledge those who claim they still are just because they started?

You either praise any effort at all (including the fat lady in the scooter with her Diet Coke) OR you admit that there are degrees of success that determine what actually gets rewarded.

You just admitted you would NOT praise the woman in the scooter until she got out of it. Well then, I will not praise people who claim they are weak until they aren’t anymore.

Why are you right with the belief that I’m wrong when you hold the exact same philosophy?

Hypocrite?[/quote]

I see what your saying; there are differing degrees of success with weightlifting (as well as in life)

The fat lady buying diet coke shouldn’t be rewarded…because she is still extremely unhealthy.

However, the 150lb kid who has made some small gains and is able to bench/squat/deadlift more then he has ever before…should get a certain degree of praise.

I’m not saying that the kid should be told that he is the best human on this planet and to stop lifting because he might get too strong. But to be told that he’s going good and to continue making progress isn’t a terrible idea either.

So if any of you fit that “150lb kid” role, good work…but your not done yet.

Go eat.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Strength is relative. I started out very small. I’ll never call myself weak, because I’m strong for my size. I have a PL trophy from when I was a teen. Now that I’m in my 40s, having had 2 knee surgeries, bursitis, rotator cuff issues, and presently suffering tendinitis all over, strength is of little concern to me now. This is no excuse or cop-out. It’s fact that I have to live with. How many guys truly gain strength just for the bragging rights in the gym or on the forums?

I’ve always wanted to be huge, and strength was a way to achieve that. Injuries sidelined me every step of the way. I’m not large by any stretch. Nor am I strong enough to compete in PL meets anymore. But at 45 I’m healthy, in shape, and have an optimistic life view. And I couldn’t care less if anyone thinks I’m weak and small.

No one could possibly look down on you. You’ve been there done that. All of it. You competed, you made tons of progress, you were in it for the long haul. At some point, everyone gets sidelined by injuries and has to reevaluate. It happens. I’m glad you are where you are now.

I think the big thing is that you MADE the progress in the first place. To me it doesn’t matter where someone started, but how far they’ve come. The mental attitude also matters to me as well, because even people who’ve made progress can still mentally short change themselves. [/quote]

Thanks, Aragorn. Very well put!

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[quote]B rocK wrote:

However, the 150lb kid who has made some small gains and is able to bench/squat/deadlift more then he has ever before…should get a certain degree of praise. [/quote]

That same kid is likely to quit in two weeks because he isn’t seeing gains fast enough. the ones who stick with this for years are very few in number. They are NOT the many who log in here lately. Out of the no doubt thousands who visit this site daily, how many do you think will be “extremely developed” and still lifting seriously in ten years?

[quote]
I’m not saying that the kid should be told that he is the best human on this planet and to stop lifting because he might get too strong. But to be told that he’s going good and to continue making progress isn’t a terrible idea either.

So if any of you fit that “150lb kid” role, good work…but your not done yet.

Go eat.[/quote]

But we do acknowledge significant effort. The question is, how many here are making that effort? Some of these people don’t even lift weights anymore. How is praising their effort going to help that situation?

I think Wolbarret straight out admitted he doesn’t lift anymore and Ahzaz (the 14 year old in the T-cell) quit lifting seriously as well. They deserve praise?

WTF?

I don’t think some of you realize how few here are actually taking this seriously.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Probably a little off topic, but I think the word “hardcore” is overused. Quite frankly, so many people use it these days that I quit using it. [/quote]

That’s hardcore.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
B rocK wrote:
I think Wolbarret straight out admitted he doesn’t lift anymore and Ahzaz (the 14 year old in the T-cell) quit lifting seriously as well. They deserve praise?

WTF?

I don’t think some of you realize how few here are actually taking this seriously.[/quote]

Well it seems to me that in your eyes, only people who have been training for 10+ years can say they are ‘serious’.

Am I assuming correctly?

If that’s the case, then your right…90%+ of the people on here are not serious.

But what about the people coming up to that mark? I’ve been training for 7+ years and have made significant progress

I won’t go on with my assumption just yet…

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[quote]B rocK wrote:
Professor X wrote:
B rocK wrote:
I think Wolbarret straight out admitted he doesn’t lift anymore and Ahzaz (the 14 year old in the T-cell) quit lifting seriously as well. They deserve praise?

WTF?

I don’t think some of you realize how few here are actually taking this seriously.

Well it seems to me that in your eyes, only people who have been training for 10+ years can say they are ‘serious’.

Am I assuming correctly?

If that’s the case, then your right…90%+ of the people on here are not serious.

But what about the people coming up to that mark? I’ve been training for 7+ years and have made significant progress

I won’t go on with my assumption just yet…
[/quote]

I havent been training for 10 years and I would consider myself “serious”.

But thats not his point, he isnt saying that IF and ONLY IF you train for 10 years your serious, and if you dont your not.

There are plenty of guys that train for 20 years with pissy weight and cardio and makes zero gains.

And there are plenty of guys that hit the gym and kitchen like their lives depended on it for 4 years and see amazing results.

The difference is commitment, and that guy with amazing results will likely continue and eventually reach that “10 year” abstract mark of dedication.

Basically long term dedication it what makes you serious.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
B rocK wrote:
Professor X wrote:
B rocK wrote:
I think Wolbarret straight out admitted he doesn’t lift anymore and Ahzaz (the 14 year old in the T-cell) quit lifting seriously as well. They deserve praise?

WTF?

I don’t think some of you realize how few here are actually taking this seriously.

Well it seems to me that in your eyes, only people who have been training for 10+ years can say they are ‘serious’.

Am I assuming correctly?

If that’s the case, then your right…90%+ of the people on here are not serious.

But what about the people coming up to that mark? I’ve been training for 7+ years and have made significant progress

I won’t go on with my assumption just yet…

I havent been training for 10 years and I would consider myself “serious”.

But thats not his point, he isnt saying that IF and ONLY IF you train for 10 years your serious, and if you dont your not.

There are plenty of guys that train for 20 years with pissy weight and cardio and makes zero gains.

And there are plenty of guys that hit the gym and kitchen like their lives depended on it for 4 years and see amazing results.

The difference is commitment, and that guy with amazing results will likely continue and eventually reach that “10 year” abstract mark of dedication.

Basically long term dedication it what makes you serious.
[/quote]

Thank you. I would have been much less cordial in my response, but that is basically what I was going to write.

Length of time training is not the issue. We have seen guys on this board who claim to have been lifting for two decades who still don’t know how to gain weight.

We are discussing DEDICATION and the guy who is truly dedicated won’t be small and weak for very long unless they are truly one of the few at the shallow end of the gene pool.

I have no doubt that there are several people here who are convinced they are training “hard” who are NOT. They won’t ever realize it because of the many others on this site who act like any progress at all is great progress.

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This thread makes my head hurt.

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Worst yet is meeting people from forums, ive met a few from parkour/freerun forums, internet persona’s quickly unravel.

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[quote]Wayland wrote:
Worst yet is meeting people from forums, ive met a few from parkour/freerun forums, internet persona’s quickly unravel.[/quote]

I’m twice the douche I am on T-Nation in real life.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

I’m twice the douche I am on T-Nation in real life.[/quote]

Same.

Im almost “respectful” on here for some absurd reason.

Its probably because on a forum I have to think about what Im saying before I say it, I actually read this shit I write and make changes.

If Im just speaking I say whatever pops into my head, and its usually offensive.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Wayland wrote:
Worst yet is meeting people from forums, ive met a few from parkour/freerun forums, internet persona’s quickly unravel.

I’m twice the douche I am on T-Nation in real life.[/quote]

Sheep not putting out lately?

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
Makavali wrote:

I’m twice the douche I am on T-Nation in real life.

Same.

Im almost “respectful” on here for some absurd reason.

Its probably because on a forum I have to think about what Im saying before I say it, I actually read this shit I write and make changes.

If Im just speaking I say whatever pops into my head, and its usually offensive.[/quote]

I am the same asshole here as I am in real life except I am better looking in real life.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Westclock wrote:
Makavali wrote:

I’m twice the douche I am on T-Nation in real life.

Same.

Im almost “respectful” on here for some absurd reason.

Its probably because on a forum I have to think about what Im saying before I say it, I actually read this shit I write and make changes.

If Im just speaking I say whatever pops into my head, and its usually offensive.

I am the same asshole here as I am in real life except I am better looking in real life.
[/quote]

You look even better than your avatar? Can I call you?