Video: Girls Lifting Session

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:
You kaeos guys have been completely owned by CT. When you read his posts and your posts, it’s obvious that he is at a level way beyond you.[/quote]

It’s not about owning though. In fact I would not have commented past the first post if their attitude would have been better. No sense in attacking someone for pointing out ways of improving the service you provide to your clients. This is exactly why I never correct the lifting technique of peoples being trained by other trainers (or training by themselves) in the gym.

The one point that somewhat pissed me off though was the comment that basically meant ‘‘yeah, the form could be improved but we didn’t have any injuries so far’’. This is kinda the same argument as saying ‘‘yeah I drive my bike without a helmet, but I haven’t suffered an injury yet’’.

It only takes one…

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
You kaeos guys have been completely owned by CT. When you read his posts and your posts, it’s obvious that he is at a level way beyond you.

It’s not about owning though. In fact I would not have commented past the first post if their attitude would have been better. No sense in attacking someone for pointing out ways of improving the service you provide to your clients. This is exactly why I never correct the lifting technique of peoples being trained by other trainers (or training by themselves) in the gym.[/quote]

That’s just it. This thread probably wouldn’t have been more than a page or two, if this guy wasn’t such a jackass. He asked for critique and he gets to hear from one of our contributors. Instead of taking that for what it was worth, he tried to throw it back in your face.

I agree it’s not about showing up other people. But when they act like this, I have no problem with it.

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show some of those hip under pics too please. Lumbar has a natural inward curve that looks straight i believe ‘rounding’ is when it starts popping out backwards. Technically it’s round whether concave or convex so people not familiar with proper alignment get lost (like me)

All i gotta say is man… lift with the legs, not with the back… I always straddle things when picking em off the floor and dont engage my back at all worked 5 yeras in warehouses never had a bad back following this advice. Alot of those deads look like good mornings not deadlifts sorry to say they are the worst… some of the squats are OK though.

Also please dont underestimate these weights am i seeing 45 lbs plates with bar? These are all 1x bodyweight lifts which are no joke man… takes more than a month of training to rep that with good form. I think they could easily get hurt. Lower the weight.

Also listen to Christian he is a scientist really views stuff like this as as scientific study doesnt give a crap about egos and embarassment which if you took it that way it is not intended at all.

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He is a helpfull kinda guy :slight_smile:
Would be even better, if the OP just came out said
“Ok, i accept i have stuff to learn, thank you CT for the help… much appreciated”

Instead of digging heels into the ground and pissing in the wind.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

The thing is that under contest conditions a lifter will try by every mean necessary to hold on to the lift… which is why there is a lot more injuries occurring during competitions than during training even though training time exceeds competition time 100 folds!

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They were warm up squats for doubles. Wasn’t in a compitition (never heard of an olympic squat competition)

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Elite athletes normally have built a stronger structure, and because of the nature of their sport, they are used to handling external forces coming from different directions and resisting them from various and even unsafe positions…Rarely will you see a pro athlete get injured lifting a box from the floor, but it’s something that will occur often with average folks.
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Kinda of a mute point rarely do you see a proathlete squat 135 lbs, bench 100 lbs, or deadlift 185 lbs for close to 1 RM. The forces being applied to these clients are no where near the forces elite athletes take on. It is my understanding the difference in muscular strength between an elite athlete and average folk is much greater than difference in structural strength. I would argue it is the opposite. But I’m not n the business of training elite athletes, I chose average folk (some are famous but still average but look great).

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

PLUS the athlete has a limited time frame to train: depending on his sport the off-season period is fairly short. Not to mention that the early off-season is often used to recover from the aches and pains of the season. So when it comes down to it, you often have around 10-12 weeks to get these guys as strong as possible. While you can, and should spend time making sure that they are using proper technique, you can’t waste much time.
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Most average folks with family and jobs have a bout 1 - 2 -3 hours a week to work out. Others with more time may not be able to afford more than 50 sessions a year in personal training. They are also not athletes so for them to learn form will take them signifantly longer than an athlete.

A year ago I post a picture of a client under my old SN “dabigaz”

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1574609

and every one oohs and awes and ask what I do. No one asked if her form was perfect on her exercises. But perhaps the biggest misconception is that we are going to keep jacking up the weights with out regard to form. The girls don’t want to be fitness models although somelook like it, they dont want to want to be power lifters, and they dont want to be bodybuilders.

curious…
Did anyone see the 28" box jumps by the HS girl at the very end of the video? IMO that was the riskiest exercise on the video. She did them cause they are fun and she can.

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[quote]kaeosali wrote:
Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

The thing is that under contest conditions a lifter will try by every mean necessary to hold on to the lift… which is why there is a lot more injuries occurring during competitions than during training even though training time exceeds competition time 100 folds!

They were warm up squats for doubles. Wasn’t in a compitition (never heard of an olympic squat competition)

Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Elite athletes normally have built a stronger structure, and because of the nature of their sport, they are used to handling external forces coming from different directions and resisting them from various and even unsafe positions…Rarely will you see a pro athlete get injured lifting a box from the floor, but it’s something that will occur often with average folks.

Kinda of a mute point rarely do you see a proathlete squat 135 lbs, bench 100 lbs, or deadlift 185 lbs for close to 1 RM. The forces being applied to these clients are no where near the forces elite athletes take on. It is my understanding the difference in muscular strength between an elite athlete and average folk is much greater than difference in structural strength. I would argue it is the opposite. But I’m not n the business of training elite athletes, I chose average folk (some are famous but still average but look great).

Christian Thibaudeau wrote:

PLUS the athlete has a limited time frame to train: depending on his sport the off-season period is fairly short. Not to mention that the early off-season is often used to recover from the aches and pains of the season. So when it comes down to it, you often have around 10-12 weeks to get these guys as strong as possible. While you can, and should spend time making sure that they are using proper technique, you can’t waste much time.

Most average folks with family and jobs have a bout 1 - 2 -3 hours a week to work out. Others with more time may not be able to afford more than 50 sessions a year in personal training. They are also not athletes so for them to learn form will take them signifantly longer than an athlete.

A year ago I post a picture of a client under my old SN “dabigaz”

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1574609

and every one oohs and awes and ask what I do. No one asked if her form was perfect on her exercises. But perhaps the biggest misconception is that we are going to keep jacking up the weights with out regard to form. The girls don’t want to be fitness models although somelook like it, they dont want to want to be power lifters, and they dont want to be bodybuilders.

curious…
Did anyone see the 28" box jumps by the HS girl at the very end of the video? IMO that was the riskiest exercise on the video. She did them cause they are fun and she can.

Even then you were arguing with people. Do you ever shut up and take advice. Quit posting pics and vids of your clients to inflate your ego. And please get out of the BODYBUILDING forum with all of this nonsense.

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[quote]kaeosali wrote:
A year ago I post a picture of a client under my old SN “dabigaz”

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1574609

and every one oohs and awes and ask what I do. No one asked if her form was perfect on her exercises. But perhaps the biggest misconception is that we are going to keep jacking up the weights with out regard to form. The girls don’t want to be fitness models although somelook like it, they dont want to want to be power lifters, and they dont want to be bodybuilders.
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Man, you make yourself look dumber each time you post. The difference is that you just posted a pic. If you had posted a video of her performing deadlifts with awful form, you would have heard about it. Can you really not see the difference?

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[quote]kaeosali wrote:

curious…
Did anyone see the 28" box jumps by the HS girl at the very end of the video? IMO that was the riskiest exercise on the video. She did them cause they are fun and she can.
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I’m not saying there is nothing good in there, far from it. The chin-ups are very impressive (the parallel pull-ups, there is some cheating though). But the fact that some of the stuff is good doesn’t mean that we cannot objectively point out the stuff that isn’t so good.

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[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I’m not saying there is nothing good in there, far from it. The chin ups are very impressive (the parallel pull-ups, there is some cheating though). But the fact that some of the stuff is good doesn’t mean that we cannot objectively point out the stuff that isn’t so good.[/quote]

The deadlift stills were helpful. I’ll break down the indivdual squats myself although some of the baggy clothes doesn’t help on film and now we can make the stuff that isn’t so good, better…

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LOL at the comments on this thread.

The form was fine.

Newsflash: NOBODY in the real world uses textbook form on compound lifts. Absolutely NO ONE.

Professional lifters sure as hell don’t!

The women were “cheating” on the lifts because they’re women, and that makes them weak. What the hell do you expect?

Girls can’t do strict pullups. Hell, 95% of them can’t do 1 cheat pullup. Women can’t deadlift, bench, or squat for shit. Those girls in the video were twigs.

If you want “perfect form”, put your client on a machine. What you saw in the video is as good as you’re going to get with the vast majority of the public. I’m a trainer. I know. People can’t even squat/lunge/press their own bodyweight without cheating.

Another reason why compound lifts blow. Everyone from the 16 year old HS kid to the SHW PLer cheats on them.

“Prove me wrong.”

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
LOL at the comments on this thread.

The form was fine.

Newsflash: NOBODY in the real world uses textbook form on compound lifts. Absolutely NO ONE.

Professional lifters sure as hell don’t!

The women were “cheating” on the lifts because they’re women, and that makes them weak. What the hell do you expect?

Girls can’t do strict pullups. Hell, 95% of them can’t do 1 cheat pullup. Women can’t deadlift, bench, or squat for shit. Those girls in the video were twigs.

If you want “perfect form”, put your client on a machine. What you saw in the video is as good as you’re going to get with the vast majority of the public. I’m a trainer. I know. People can’t even squat/lunge/press their own bodyweight without cheating.

Another reason why compound lifts blow. Everyone from the 16 year old HS kid to the SHW PLer cheats on them.

“Prove me wrong.”[/quote]

You obviously suck at training people then.

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What makes you think I suck at training people?

Because I recognize that a 5’3, 120 lb. female is never going to do a 135 lb. squat or deadlift with perfect form? I’ve been at a commercial gym for years and I have yet to see it happen once. I reckon most other people would say the same thing.

I don’t bother teaching my clients the power lifts. The fastest way to physique change is to put them on a machine and get them to focus on intense muscular contractions. They have to be able to feel their muscles in order to develop them.

Also: Nobody in the real world does or gives a shit about weight lifting. I train at Gold’s and there are plenty of big, muscular guys. I’m probably one of three people who has any idea what a clean and jerk is.

You have the internet and then you have reality.
Some people never seem to make it to the latter.

I could make a girl look like a fitness model and she wouldn’t need to be able to squat 135 in order to do it.

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oh, you train at Gold’s that explain it.

seriously, your argument is that no regular person can learn perfect form? You must be a bad trainer, or an even worse coach.

Probably have all your clients use the hip AB/ADductor machines too.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
oh, you train at Gold’s that explain it.

seriously, your argument is that no regular person can learn perfect form? You must be a bad trainer, or an even worse coach.

Probably have all your clients use the hip AB/ADductor machines too.[/quote]

The thing is, he is a trainer. He is making a living. And he has changed peoples bodies. He has his ways of doing this. I can’t disagree with what he said about the machine thing and changing bodies. You take anyone and have them do lat pull downs, chest presses, and leg presses with intense muscular contractions and his/her body will change. Intense is the key word. I’m sure he is a good trainer cause you can tell he has real world experience amd success.

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Why are these people coming onto our forums looking for our approval in the first place if they already think they are so great?

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
oh, you train at Gold’s that explain it.

seriously, your argument is that no regular person can learn perfect form? You must be a bad trainer, or an even worse coach.

Probably have all your clients use the hip AB/ADductor machines too.[/quote]

Actually, my argument is that you can learn perfect form on the big three and look the same in 5 months, or you can learn “machine form” and look different in 5 weeks.

I assess peoples’ overall strength and motor habits by having them demonstrate free squats/lunges/pushups/dips/inverted rows the first time they come in. Most people completely bomb without any weight. With weight, you can forget about it. That’s why it’s amazing to even see a female doing 135 lb. DL’s or squats.

Could I train somebody to get a big bench, or be able to do lots of pullups? Sure, but it would come at the exclusion of rapid physique change. As I have already pointed out, nobody in the real world cares how much they squat. Training is a means to an end, not an end in itself, for the great majority of the gym-going population.

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“Trainers” like Nominal Prospect and Kaeosali are the reason I don’t have a trainer and am learning mostly from a book and online articles by Alwyn Cosgrove as well as everything I can read here by CT.

AC and CT have taught me WHY I want to start off lifting weights with the Deadlift and the Squat. It’s not the only way, but based on what I have read I believe it is the best way for me. I’m building a foundation.

I don’t do only compound movements, I just start with them. That’s bull about no progress with them. I’ve only been lifting 4 weeks. I learned form first using just the bar and it only took one day spent focused on just that to get decent at it, lifting safely and knowing when to stop (not going to failure). My 1RM max was 105lbs for the Squat (ATG) and 115lbs for the deadlift. Four weeks later I am doing 3 sets of 10 with 105 for the Deadlift and 85 for the Squat. My body (muscle) is harder, I am stronger and more agile, I feel better and I can lift more. ALL with decent form. And I’m a 41 year old female who is going to build muscles slower than a 20 year old and waaaaay slower than a male yet I am seeing obvious and measurable results.

The very clear distinction between you two and Alwyn and CT: They are COACHES in the truest sense of the word AND they have high level experience in their field as competitors, teachers and learners. You guys are just “Personal Trainers”.

The problem with the two of you is it’s all about you! You need to EDUCATE your clients! Not just do whatever it takes to get them to pay you money. You guys come off sounding lazy. They suck at it, it’s too slow and hard to teach them to do it right, they don’t care, so screw it.

You guys need to read the New Rules of Lifting or Women by Lou Schuler, Alwyn Cosgrove and Cassandra Forsythe. They are all contributors here. It’s a good book.

But you’ll probably just carry on as you have been because you JUST DON’T GET IT!

Sorry for the not so great tone of this but I’m a little pissed. However that does not make it OK. I just hope you will reconsider your motives and practices as trainers. Give yourselves and your clients a little more effort, consideration and credit. Don’t fall into the trap of a few bad experiences causing you to see everyone in the same negative light. People tend to live up to expectations. Probably because we treat them poorly if we think less of them. Look for the best in them and yourself. I guess I’ve been doing the same. Refusing to get a trainer out of fear they would suck : ) Now I’m going to see if I can find a coach like Christian or Alwyn. You will see what you look for.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
oh, you train at Gold’s that explain it.

seriously, your argument is that no regular person can learn perfect form? You must be a bad trainer, or an even worse coach.

Probably have all your clients use the hip AB/ADductor machines too.

Actually, my argument is that you can learn perfect form on the big three and look the same in 5 months, or you can learn “machine form” and look different in 5 weeks.

I assess peoples’ overall strength and motor habits by having them demonstrate free squats/lunges/pushups/dips/inverted rows the first time they come in. Most people completely bomb without any weight. With weight, you can forget about it. That’s why it’s amazing to even see a female doing 135 lb. DL’s or squats.

Could I train somebody to get a big bench, or be able to do lots of pullups? Sure, but it would come at the exclusion of rapid physique change. As I have already pointed out, nobody in the real world cares how much they squat. Training is a means to an end, not an end in itself, for the great majority of the gym-going population. [/quote]

Sorry, but rapid physique changes have more to do with diet than exercise choice.

Oh, and if you’re still reading this CT, I just have to say your patience in answering questions never ceases to amaze me.

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[quote]Christine wrote:

Sorry, but rapid physique changes have more to do with diet than exercise choice.

Oh, and if you’re still reading this CT, I just have to say your patience in answering questions never ceases to amaze me.

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Your right diet plays a major role. Aside from diet, in our gym we have had the most success with the, “big 3” These lifts in our opinion cause the most drastic body changes. Are we right? Maybe, maybe not, but has been working for us.

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[quote]Bratt wrote:
“Trainers” like Nominal Prospect and Kaeosali are the reason I don’t have a trainer and am learning mostly from a book and online articles by Alwyn Cosgrove as well as everything I can read here by CT.

AC and CT have taught me WHY I want to start off lifting weights with the Deadlift and the Squat. It’s not the only way, but based on what I have read I believe it is the best way for me. I’m building a foundation.

I don’t do only compound movements, I just start with them. That’s bull about no progress with them. I’ve only been lifting 4 weeks. I learned form first using just the bar and it only took one day spent focused on just that to get decent at it, lifting safely and knowing when to stop (not going to failure). My 1RM max was 105lbs for the Squat (ATG) and 115lbs for the deadlift. Four weeks later I am doing 3 sets of 10 with 105 for the Deadlift and 85 for the Squat. My body (muscle) is harder, I am stronger and more agile, I feel better and I can lift more. ALL with decent form. And I’m a 41 year old female who is going to build muscles slower than a 20 year old and waaaaay slower than a male yet I am seeing obvious and measurable results.

The very clear distinction between you two and Alwyn and CT: They are COACHES in the truest sense of the word AND they have high level experience in their field as competitors, teachers and learners. You guys are just “Personal Trainers”.

The problem with the two of you is it’s all about you! You need to EDUCATE your clients! Not just do whatever it takes to get them to pay you money. You guys come off sounding lazy. They suck at it, it’s too slow and hard to teach them to do it right, they don’t care, so screw it.

You guys need to read the New Rules of Lifting or Women by Lou Schuler, Alwyn Cosgrove and Cassandra Forsythe. They are all contributors here. It’s a good book.

But you’ll probably just carry on as you have been because you JUST DON’T GET IT!

Sorry for the not so great tone of this but I’m a little pissed. However that does not make it OK. I just hope you will reconsider your motives and practices as trainers. Give yourselves and your clients a little more effort, consideration and credit. Don’t fall into the trap of a few bad experiences causing you to see everyone in the same negative light. People tend to live up to expectations. Probably because we treat them poorly if we think less of them. Look for the best in them and yourself. I guess I’ve been doing the same. Refusing to get a trainer out of fear they would suck : ) Now I’m going to see if I can find a coach like Christian or Alwyn. You will see what you look for.[/quote]

(STarts the slow clap). Seriously she pwned both of you. That was amazing. BRAVO.