Kaeosali, the king of sour grapes, haha.
[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
man… I’ve done the bicep curls standing on one leg. But… Kaeosali was not my trainer, just someone a lot like him. I had a 24-Hour Fitness trainer that also taught me to keep my head up, completely up and cranked towards my back for everything.
I have since learned better with a new coach[/quote]
I seem to have a hardon for hijacking this thread.
I really hate when I see trainers doing shit like that. Are they preparing you to do curls in the event that you lose a leg and cannot sit down and have to stand on a trampoline? Maybe if you lose a leg in a boat crash and you need to stand up in the lifeboat and curl the flare gun towards the sky?
Is that what they mean by “functional”?
Now, dont get me wrong, there are some people who really are “functional” and choose exercises that actually are functional (a rock climber opting to train pullups as opposed to pulldowns, for example), but the term is widely abused by trainers who dont have a clue.
[quote] Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Ahhh… I’m not the one who put it there. I write the articles, I don’t put all the pictures in. I actually don’t know who the guy is and it is certainly not one of mine.[/quote]
That’s you excuse? Maybe in the future you should.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
Train more than 30 pro athletes, several Olympians, some TV personalities, and over 500 national level athletes from 26 different sports and then we’ll talk.[/quote]
The bottom line is I have over 8,000 hours with clients who are “regular people” which makes me a little bit more of an expert on training “regular people”. And yes some of those “regular people” are famous, I don’t know how that is relevant. I hope you realize there is a difference between training an Olympian and a 25 year old 110 lb girl who never played a sport.
I’m gonna let this die. If you want to continue this conversation do so via PM.
Best Regards,
Ali Ghavami CSCS
(yes that is NSCA for the guy who asked earlier)
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
man… I’ve done the bicep curls standing on one leg. But… Kaeosali was not my trainer, just someone a lot like him. I had a 24-Hour Fitness trainer that also taught me to keep my head up, completely up and cranked towards my back for everything.
I have since learned better with a new coach
I seem to have a hardon for hijacking this thread.
I really hate when I see trainers doing shit like that. Are they preparing you to do curls in the event that you lose a leg and cannot sit down and have to stand on a trampoline? Maybe if you lose a leg in a boat crash and you need to stand up in the lifeboat and curl the flare gun towards the sky?
Is that what they mean by “functional”?
Now, dont get me wrong, there are some people who really are “functional” and choose exercises that actually are functional (a rock climber opting to train pullups as opposed to pulldowns, for example), but the term is widely abused by trainers who dont have a clue.[/quote]
/patontheback
I hear that. I’m getting my phys degree right now and mostly just train friends and friends-of-friend for experience. One of the questions I ask before I ever write a program is “what are your goals/what do you want to be good at/what is your favorite activity” and I train them towards that. None of the people I work with are athletes or anything since I’m not certified, but I think going blindly into a strength program leads to client burnout because they’re not having fun getting better at what they enjoy.
A lot of the time though, they ask why we aren’t doing more bosu ball stuff, steady state cardio, or any of the 100000 other things made popular by infomercials and crappy trainers. Nothing pisses me off more than people capitalizing on what novice trainees ‘want to hear’. I find that if someone wants to believe something, then sees it on tv or in real life, it’s extremely hard to change their mind.
I also skipped a lot of pages on this thread, so I don’t know if it’s already been said (rhyme), but I did see a lot of bad form in that video. From my experience, dropping the weight and putting the client on a slow-rep HIT program really helps with form. A 5050 tempo (5151 on some exercises) keeps the intensity up while allowing the client and myself to really watch the execution and make adjustments along the way. As soon as the form goes out, I consider that failure and terminate the exercise.
[quote]mrodock wrote:
Excuses for lousy form just suck. The truth is they may not be lifting heavy, but they are lifting close to their max effort …quote]
I thought that was the definition of “heavy”
Ali, a couple of observations…
1st: I am not a trainer, therefore I am not going to critique that aspect of this conversation. However I do know Jackass and your jackassery is world class.
2nd: There are quite a few people, with no vested interest (not getting paid), concerned for your clients health. Why don’t you let them (clients) read this thread? They SHOULD question why their trainer whom they are PAYING good money doesn’t echo the same concerns. I think you might lose some of your clients based on the fact it looks like you are more concerned with their check than their health.
[quote]Old Dax wrote:
mrodock wrote:
Excuses for lousy form just suck. The truth is they may not be lifting heavy, but they are lifting close to their max effort …quote]
I thought that was the definition of “heavy”[/quote]
I’m pretty sure he meant “heavy” to the client which may be a 95lb 3RM as opposed to you or me which may be a 405lb 3RM.
95 lbs isn’t a heavy squat to most of us but it may bury most beginners and/or untrained females.
[quote]kaeosali wrote:
The bottom line is I have over 8,000 hours with clients who are “regular people” which makes me a little bit more of an expert on training “regular people”.[/quote]
Not if all you do is watch people with dangerously poor form, take their money and say “good.”
I could spend 8000 hours doing dental work with a sledgehammer. Doesn’t mean I know shit about dentistry - just that I’ve fucked up a shitload of teeth.
What you are doing should be illegal. At the very least it is disgustingly unethical. I seriously hope there’s a special place in hell for fucktard “trainers” like you.
[quote]oldskinnyfat wrote:
kaeosali wrote:
The bottom line is I have over 8,000 hours with clients who are “regular people” which makes me a little bit more of an expert on training “regular people”.
What you are doing should be illegal. At the very least it is disgustingly unethical. I seriously hope there’s a special place in hell for fucktard “trainers” like you.
[/quote]
that’s a bit harsh, lol
but after looking at the video again, the cervical hyperextension, just scares the bejeebus outta me.
I just got a PM from this guy saying CT was critical because “he had something up his ass that day”, that “most of the comments have been positive”, and that “no other contributor has commented” (as if to say they disagree with the criticism)…this guy appears to be pretty delussional.
As I said in my earlier post, my comments had nothing to do with anything technical. I addressed what I thought to be a good level of “jackassery” and how your clients would/should view the concerns.
I know if I was working with a trainer and showed my lifts to STRANGERS (that I DON’T give my money to) and even a small minority of them are concerned for my health and well-being, huge red flags would be going off in head. I don’t care if my trainer had 5000 training hours on 04-30-08 at 8:41AM and then over 8000 hours on 05-02-08 at 8:49AM.
We had 5000 in the last 2 years here
I have 8000 myself over the last 6 years.
[quote]shaddeau34 wrote:
…I don’t care if my trainer had 5000 training hours on 04-30-08 at 8:41AM and then over 8000 hours on 05-02-08 at 8:49AM.[/quote]
LOL. Good catch.
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
shaddeau34 wrote:
…I don’t care if my trainer had 5000 training hours on 04-30-08 at 8:41AM and then over 8000 hours on 05-02-08 at 8:49AM.
LOL. Good catch.[/quote]
Yeah you got me. See above.
[quote]kaeosali wrote:
super saiyan wrote:
shaddeau34 wrote:
…I don’t care if my trainer had 5000 training hours on 04-30-08 at 8:41AM and then over 8000 hours on 05-02-08 at 8:49AM.
LOL. Good catch.
Yeah you got me. See above. [/quote]
Uh yeah, nice try.
By the way with all those hours under your belt, you think you would have learned how to do a proper power clean by now. LOL.
the video is old and I have improved my form. I also posted for help cause I knew it was wrong. I got some good help via email and cleaned it up a lot.
Who are you?
[quote]kaeosali wrote:
the video is old and I have improved my form. I also posted for help cause I knew it was wrong. I got some good help via email and cleaned it up a lot.
Who are you?[/quote]
Well golly that’s great. It only took you, a self-proclaimed awesome personal trainer, 5 or 6 years to learn how to power clean. Congrats on that.
Why do you want to know who I am? Does it matter?
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Why do you want to know who I am? Does it matter?
[/quote]
nope you don’t matter
Ali,
I am going to say 1 final thing in this thread and I will check out.
It appears as though your co-workers are trying to post other sessions on here, I could only imagine they are doing this with the hopes of getting a favorable response to boost your clubs reputation and possibly get new clients. I don’t think you will find anyone to disagree that your actions, behavior, and attitude have done nothing but stack the deck AGAINST your co-workers and their possible intentions. You might want to check your tone and the Barney-Bad-Ass attitude (what was the point of asking someone “who are you?”, are you turning into an internet tough guy now???) or else you run the risk of your clubs rep. taking a pretty big hit, this is a pretty big community, if you haven’t noticed.
I have no ill-will (no reason to) but will repeat for the third time, you are being a pretty big jackass. Unfortunately I don’t see your tone changing, which will only hurt your co-workers and club.
We share our workouts to help. If you don’t like them don’t do them. If you think our results are substandard then don�??t do them. If you feel our girls are performing poorly and you are a trainer continue to train your girls your way. What you will see is video progress from time to time, not text or photos, but real video progress.
When you advise to change a successful system. I ask who you are to see if you have any real world experience other than “internet forum” experience. If you did I might listen to some of your advice, if you�??re a kid why would I?