Vert/Speed Training Thread

Training
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Aderqui, you’re a weird dude. If you’re getting a foot over the rim with a ball in your hand you’re catching windmills and nasty shit. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE. You might hit 11’ under ideal conditions in track shoes on springy surfaces, but you’re not getting a foot over the rim out there on concrete and you’re sure as hell not doing it with the ball in your hands. Throwing it and catching it at it’s apex is cool but not one of those is a foot over the rim. I don’t care what your bracelet says.[/quote]

you’re one of the dumbest fucking morons i’ve ever encountered on a forum, seriously… now go fuck yourself and stop talking about my vert, why don’t you put up some videos instead of talking shit.

first of all, you have no vertec video, i do… 11’ touch, 12" over rim, the end.

secondly, you have only a few videos on some la fitness hoop.

stop talking shit and put out a video you annoying pussy, i get my fingertip easily 12+ inches over the damn rim, you’re just blind as fuck and completely retarded.

windmills with 12" over a rim?

how bout this you dumb fuck, why don’t you go grab a rule and see how long 12 inches is…

HOW CAN ANYONE BE THIS GOD DAMN STUPID IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW, seriously whiteflash, you are the most stupid fucking retarded dumb shit i’ve ever seen on T-Nation… how you think 12" over a damn rim is windmill status is beyond me.

now please, put up some videos or shut the fuck up you annoying pussy.

peace

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i can’t believe i’m even arguing with a retard who thinks 12" over a rim is windmill status, when my hand is 8 inches.

adarqui, calm down, please, this guy has downs syndrome, leave him alone.

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in fact, i probably could windmill if i tried stupid trick dunks and practiced.

whiteflash, i think you’re jealous i jump higher than you… is this the case? sorry bro you’re mythological vert has been eclipsed, deal with it.

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here’s a thought whiteflash, why don’t you refrain from commenting in this thread until you put out your little vertec video which you promised to do so many times…

you’re an annoying troll now disappear until you get proof like a man, worry about yourself instead of others who are busting their ass and actually getting as high as they claim… you’re like some whiney old lady in a retirement home who has nothing better to do than to incorrectly dissect everyone’s lives.

take some vagisil and stop talking to me until you have some respectable vids, and here’s a thought, go onto a real court instead of that la fitness court… can’t tell you how many low la fitness hoops i’ve seen on youtube.

annoying troll get lost.

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whiteflash, i showed you exactly what 12" over the rim looks like, and you still talk shit.

post some videos whiteflash, i remember you got mad at my vids/claims a while back too, and you mentioned you were “tired of it and going to post some videos”, yet you never did… you pussed out like usual.

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^^^^ Wow dude. That’s a little odd. And no, you don’t jump higher than me. That av pic is a 38" with crippling tendonitis under non ideal conditions. You just said your max is 36.5" under the best of conditions. Do the math. I no longer have access to a vertec. Just for you I’ll post a 2 hand dunk off a drop step at 5’9" with a 7’7" max reach in basketball shoes.

That’s at least 38" off the ground WITH THE BALL IN MY HANDS, not throwing it and going and getting it. You have some valuable info from time to time but you clearly have serious issues. Until I’m able to get the vid I won’t post here so you can say or believe whatever you want now.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^^ Wow dude. That’s a little odd. And no, you don’t jump higher than me. [/quote]

yes, actually i do jump higher than you… see, i have what’s called “video”, you have “claims”… big difference

sure it is, you jumped off that box right there on the side of you and posted a pic, we’re not dumb, stop trying to fool everyone… you have NO video of a vertec jump, and your knees have always “been feeling better”, so go jump on a vertec.

but jumping off a box onto the vertec would be pretty hard to do on video bro.

[quote]You just said your max is 36.5" under the best of conditions. Do the math. I no longer have access to a vertec. Just for you I’ll post a 2 hand dunk off a drop step at 5’9" with a 7’7" max reach in basketball shoes.
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good go ahead, post it on a 10’ rim.

actually, i have no issues, you have issues, you are obsessed with talking shit about my vert… it is clear to anyone with half a brain that im getting at least 12" over rim on my peak jumps, i have hundreds of still frame photographs to prove it and vertec pics.

good, sounds great to me… when you post some impressive videos then i’ll just stick to calling you a retard, but for now, i’m also calling you a disgruntled vert troll with no proof of 38.

good riddance.

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just some random dunks from the other day, 2 lefty’s, 2 2-handers, just did them randomly because of the lob.

me getting my fingertip over rim finally: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2879/jan32011dunksjumps00051.png

me finally touching net: http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4852/jan32011dunksjumps00821.png

me doing a left handed layup: http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2486/jan32011dunksjumps00612.png

me trying to touch net, almost! http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8969/jan32011dunksjumps00128.png

peace

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^^I was so confused by your titles of each picture before I clicked on them lol

you look WAY higher in the pictures than you do in the vid. I guess its just the speed of a real life dunk/hang time vs capturing a still at peak height… but yeah… you’re WAY up there! Especially on that last pic!

Question:
What do you do to warm up before you hit these jump/dunk sessions?

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^I was so confused by your titles of each picture before I clicked on them lol
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LOLL

ya man that’s a 60 frames per second camera for you, plus i try to hammer them down fast so my arm swings real quick most of the time, especially on breakaway rims where it doesnt hurt my hand as much.

thanks man

i just warmup real good dribbling around, 10-20 yard sprints, submax jumps from LEFT-RIGHT and RIGHT-LEFT plant, everything is progressive intensity… so ill start out real light for 3-4 minutes (a song length), then go a little harder, keep repeating for like 4-5 songs… then im pretty loose… i know i’m good when i can hit a strong 10-20 yard sprint, which feels pretty fast… then ill do some “max jump attempts without the ball”, which is still a warmup… when im done with 5-6 of those, i get into dunking… by that time ive broken a good sweat/legs feel loose etc.

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[quote]adarqui wrote:
i just warmup real good dribbling around, 10-20 yard sprints, submax jumps from LEFT-RIGHT and RIGHT-LEFT plant, everything is progressive intensity… so ill start out real light for 3-4 minutes (a song length), then go a little harder, keep repeating for like 4-5 songs… then im pretty loose… i know i’m good when i can hit a strong 10-20 yard sprint, which feels pretty fast… then ill do some “max jump attempts without the ball”, which is still a warmup… when im done with 5-6 of those, i get into dunking… by that time ive broken a good sweat/legs feel loose etc.
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Nice. I’ve just recently got back from a long vacation and I’m thinking of getting in the gym and seeing how my jumping is. hopefully i’m getting rim after the long layoff/holiday celebrating lol

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:
i just warmup real good dribbling around, 10-20 yard sprints, submax jumps from LEFT-RIGHT and RIGHT-LEFT plant, everything is progressive intensity… so ill start out real light for 3-4 minutes (a song length), then go a little harder, keep repeating for like 4-5 songs… then im pretty loose… i know i’m good when i can hit a strong 10-20 yard sprint, which feels pretty fast… then ill do some “max jump attempts without the ball”, which is still a warmup… when im done with 5-6 of those, i get into dunking… by that time ive broken a good sweat/legs feel loose etc.
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Nice. I’ve just recently got back from a long vacation and I’m thinking of getting in the gym and seeing how my jumping is. hopefully i’m getting rim after the long layoff/holiday celebrating lol
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how long? doesn’t seem that long since last time you jumped, maybe 3 weeks or so from what i remember? ya thats still long though hah.

pc

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hi guys, first time poster, just wanted to let you all know that thanks to WhiteFlash’s advice, I FINALLY TOUCHED THE RIM!!! FINALLY!!! I nipped it with my fingertip i couldn’t believe it, i yelled so hard when i nipped it… anyway, here’s the video:

BEST DUNK MIX EVER
BEST DUNK MIX EVER
BEST DUNK MIX EVER
BEST DUNK MIX EVER
BEST DUNK MIX EVER
BEST DUNK MIX EVER
BEST DUNK MIX EVER
BEST DUNK MIX EVER

here’s my nipping the rim for the first time, i can’t believe how great it felt, my fingertip actually stung so bad, but ilove it!!!

780×439 501 KB

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[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:
i just warmup real good dribbling around, 10-20 yard sprints, submax jumps from LEFT-RIGHT and RIGHT-LEFT plant, everything is progressive intensity… so ill start out real light for 3-4 minutes (a song length), then go a little harder, keep repeating for like 4-5 songs… then im pretty loose… i know i’m good when i can hit a strong 10-20 yard sprint, which feels pretty fast… then ill do some “max jump attempts without the ball”, which is still a warmup… when im done with 5-6 of those, i get into dunking… by that time ive broken a good sweat/legs feel loose etc.
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Nice. I’ve just recently got back from a long vacation and I’m thinking of getting in the gym and seeing how my jumping is. hopefully i’m getting rim after the long layoff/holiday celebrating lol
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how long? doesn’t seem that long since last time you jumped, maybe 3 weeks or so from what i remember? ya thats still long though hah.

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Hahaha yeah it was about three weeks… And I haft really worked out at all in those three weeks. Had finals, people flying into town and staying at my place, then a 10 day ski trip up to Canada over Christmas. It was definitely a lot of fun (not the finals) but not hitting the gym and not eating the right kinda foods definitely took it’s toll.

Jumped a little bit yesterday before my workout. Two foot jump with both hands I was touching rim (feels so weird reaching with two hands. Two foot jump with Ike hand I was hitting right on te palm of my hand, just below my fingers. So maybe 3 and a half to four inches above rim? Not too bad (pretty much right where I was at before at a BW of 211)

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[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
^^^^ Wow dude. That’s a little odd. And no, you don’t jump higher than me. [/quote]

yes, actually i do jump higher than you… see, i have what’s called “video”, you have “claims”… big difference

sure it is, you jumped off that box right there on the side of you and posted a pic, we’re not dumb, stop trying to fool everyone… you have NO video of a vertec jump, and your knees have always “been feeling better”, so go jump on a vertec.

but jumping off a box onto the vertec would be pretty hard to do on video bro.

[quote]You just said your max is 36.5" under the best of conditions. Do the math. I no longer have access to a vertec. Just for you I’ll post a 2 hand dunk off a drop step at 5’9" with a 7’7" max reach in basketball shoes.
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good go ahead, post it on a 10’ rim.

actually, i have no issues, you have issues, you are obsessed with talking shit about my vert… it is clear to anyone with half a brain that im getting at least 12" over rim on my peak jumps, i have hundreds of still frame photographs to prove it and vertec pics.

good, sounds great to me… when you post some impressive videos then i’ll just stick to calling you a retard, but for now, i’m also calling you a disgruntled vert troll with no proof of 38.

good riddance. [/quote]

??? I have 3 or 4 vids I’ve posted of me dunking? 2-hands off 2-steps, 2-hands off the lob, 2-hands off one step… What else do I need? As soon as I can get to an indoor gym I’ll try and get some new shit up. Don’t see any reason why I can’t get reverses and such down right now even though I haven’t touched a ball in 4+ months. Oh, here’s a vid of Jeremy Pargo [ex Gonzaga player] catching some nice dunks. His max reach off the run is 11’1". Here’s a link to his measurements. Think it’s pretty clear you don’t need to be a foot over the rim to catch windmills and such, and that in your case 30" is enought to dunk.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2008&source=All&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

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good for pargo, who gives a fuck… again, stop your nonsensical babble.

some people practice tricks, i don’t. i can’t dunk with a 30" vert that would have me 5-6" over the rim.

again, you vert troll, get lost.

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[quote]adarqui wrote:
good for pargo, who gives a fuck… again, stop your nonsensical babble.

some people practice tricks, i don’t. i can’t dunk with a 30" vert that would have me 5-6" over the rim.

again, you vert troll, get lost.[/quote]

Haha, ok bud. I have 3 or 4 dunk vids and I’m a troll. I’ll get another as soon as I can. Y’all be good.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:
good for pargo, who gives a fuck… again, stop your nonsensical babble.

some people practice tricks, i don’t. i can’t dunk with a 30" vert that would have me 5-6" over the rim.

again, you vert troll, get lost.[/quote]

Haha, ok bud. I have 3 or 4 dunk vids and I’m a troll. I’ll get another as soon as I can. Y’all be good.[/quote]

all you do is talk shit about my vert and brag about your 38" vertec jump (which you have no vid of) and 42" glory days…

get lost troll.

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[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:
good for pargo, who gives a fuck… again, stop your nonsensical babble.

some people practice tricks, i don’t. i can’t dunk with a 30" vert that would have me 5-6" over the rim.

again, you vert troll, get lost.[/quote]

Haha, ok bud. I have 3 or 4 dunk vids and I’m a troll. I’ll get another as soon as I can. Y’all be good.[/quote]

all you do is talk shit about my vert and brag about your 38" vertec jump (which you have no vid of) and 42" glory days…

get lost troll.
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I haven’t talked shit about your vert once. Talk about insecure. I’ve said that your numbers are slightly off. And they are. You’ve slung personal insults at me, mocked me, talked shit about me and said I don’t know what I’m talking about. I post a link to measurements that not only show that I’ve been right this entire time, it shows clearly that YOU don’t know what you’re talking about and have in fact been inflating your numbers. I know it’s not intentional, it’s human nature to think one’s better than they really are. Once again, a full foot over the rim with a ball in your hands is a shit ton. 38" vert? There’s a pic right over there. And, I’ve posted several easy 2-hand dunks at 5’9" with a max 7’7" standing reach in basketball shoes. My knees are starting to feel better after a shit ton of work, and as soon as I can get to an indoor gym I’ll start playing ball more and get some dunks up. But, I’m not going to rush anything or jeopordize my health again. Walking with a perpetual limp at 28 fucking sucks. Y’all be good.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:
good for pargo, who gives a fuck… again, stop your nonsensical babble.

some people practice tricks, i don’t. i can’t dunk with a 30" vert that would have me 5-6" over the rim.

again, you vert troll, get lost.[/quote]

Haha, ok bud. I have 3 or 4 dunk vids and I’m a troll. I’ll get another as soon as I can. Y’all be good.[/quote]

all you do is talk shit about my vert and brag about your 38" vertec jump (which you have no vid of) and 42" glory days…

get lost troll.
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I haven’t talked shit about your vert once. Talk about insecure. I’ve said that your numbers are slightly off. And they are. You’ve slung personal insults at me, mocked me, talked shit about me and said I don’t know what I’m talking about. I post a link to measurements that not only show that I’ve been right this entire time, it shows clearly that YOU don’t know what you’re talking about and have in fact been inflating your numbers. I know it’s not intentional, it’s human nature to think one’s better than they really are. Once again, a full foot over the rim with a ball in your hands is a shit ton. 38" vert? There’s a pic right over there. And, I’ve posted several easy 2-hand dunks at 5’9" with a max 7’7" standing reach in basketball shoes. My knees are starting to feel better after a shit ton of work, and as soon as I can get to an indoor gym I’ll start playing ball more and get some dunks up. But, I’m not going to rush anything or jeopordize my health again. Walking with a perpetual limp at 28 fucking sucks. Y’all be good.[/quote]

pargo is 6’1.5" and practices tricks, his 11’1" touch gives him a 38" max RVJ, i’ve touched 11’.05" at less height and less wingspan than him, his wingspan is 6’5 mine is 6’1… he practices tricks, he can possibly palm a ball, he’s a better “dunker”… yet somehow my vert is inflated?

not being able to windmill or do anything else than self lob power 1 & 2 handers doesn’t mean shit, i don’t practice windmills, 360’s, or any of that… but if pargo can windmill with 38 and an 11’1" touch then i should be able to windmill if i had his technique, sure.

you’re always saying my vert is inflated yet i have vertec videos, still frames from videos, videos of dunk/jump sessions etc with my fingertip clearly 12" above rim if not more on my best jumps.

you’re just blind as fuck or something… i’ve showed you what 12" looks like with my vertec pics, it’s not impressive height over the 10’ marker.

regardless, post dunk vids or VERTEC vids of yourself, my vert is legit & i have plenty of videos/pictures on PLENTY OF DIFFERENT COURTS + VERTEC to back it up, and my legit vert sucks ass 11’1-11’2 max touch on my best jump with 95" reach isn’t amazing, but it’s what i have when i’m fresh.

when i’m fresh, i get 11’ on my warmup jumps without the ball, i know this because i hit my wrist on the rim and leave red markings 12" down, also i’ve hit 11’0.5" on a vertec… when i’m dunking i get a few inches higher occasionally due to the lob.

should we continue this discussion or should you just post videos & I post videos, or answer people’s questions, etc…

LEAVE MY VERT ALONE YOU VERT-TROLL.