Vert/Speed Training Thread

Training
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]xX5tr3n9thXx wrote:
why do you do the same dunk every time?[/quote]

why do you take a shit on the toilet the same way every time? mix it up bro we’re getting tired of you just sitting down and shitting, do some crossed leg shitting, standing up shitting, or some between the leg twister style shitting.

i’m also tired of you wiping your ass the same way every time… do a few 360 wipes… wipe with the other hand… wipe with no hands (toilet paper on edge of bath rub).

come on bro ur so boring.
[/quote]

Don’t think he was being an ass. I see what he’s saying.[/quote]

i completely understand him, almost everybody is annoyed that I do the same dunk over and over but I don’t care :slight_smile: I do my thing then drop a vid, i’m not interested in trying to do “weak ass tricks”, if my RVJ was legit 45+ i’d be doing tricks every session, then it would be fun, but until then, i’m just doing the same old power dunk off lob.

nah, i do dunk sessions and then just make vids and post… if people are bored by it that’s fine they don’t have to watch, if some people continue to watch that’s fine too.

can i kill a rim off drop step? I could definitely dunk off a few steps, it would just be weak as hell, so not interested in it hehe.

cool do it

peace

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damn dude why so hostile towards me. I’ll post a dunk vid today for ya.

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[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]xX5tr3n9thXx wrote:
why do you do the same dunk every time?[/quote]

why do you take a shit on the toilet the same way every time? mix it up bro we’re getting tired of you just sitting down and shitting, do some crossed leg shitting, standing up shitting, or some between the leg twister style shitting.

i’m also tired of you wiping your ass the same way every time… do a few 360 wipes… wipe with the other hand… wipe with no hands (toilet paper on edge of bath rub).

come on bro ur so boring.
[/quote]

Don’t think he was being an ass. I see what he’s saying.[/quote]

i completely understand him, almost everybody is annoyed that I do the same dunk over and over but I don’t care :slight_smile: I do my thing then drop a vid, i’m not interested in trying to do “weak ass tricks”, if my RVJ was legit 45+ i’d be doing tricks every session, then it would be fun, but until then, i’m just doing the same old power dunk off lob.

nah, i do dunk sessions and then just make vids and post… if people are bored by it that’s fine they don’t have to watch, if some people continue to watch that’s fine too.

can i kill a rim off drop step? I could definitely dunk off a few steps, it would just be weak as hell, so not interested in it hehe.

cool do it

peace[/quote]

Man, at your height if your RVJ was a legit 38" you’d be doing some decent tricks. I don’t think you’re that far off, I just don’t think you’ve practiced enough to pull certain things off. There’s been a few dunks you’ve posted where you’re high enough to do 2-hand cockbacks and a windmill [if your hands are big enough]. Why not give it a shot?

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]xX5tr3n9thXx wrote:
why do you do the same dunk every time?[/quote]

why do you take a shit on the toilet the same way every time? mix it up bro we’re getting tired of you just sitting down and shitting, do some crossed leg shitting, standing up shitting, or some between the leg twister style shitting.

i’m also tired of you wiping your ass the same way every time… do a few 360 wipes… wipe with the other hand… wipe with no hands (toilet paper on edge of bath rub).

come on bro ur so boring.
[/quote]

Don’t think he was being an ass. I see what he’s saying.[/quote]

i completely understand him, almost everybody is annoyed that I do the same dunk over and over but I don’t care :slight_smile: I do my thing then drop a vid, i’m not interested in trying to do “weak ass tricks”, if my RVJ was legit 45+ i’d be doing tricks every session, then it would be fun, but until then, i’m just doing the same old power dunk off lob.

nah, i do dunk sessions and then just make vids and post… if people are bored by it that’s fine they don’t have to watch, if some people continue to watch that’s fine too.

can i kill a rim off drop step? I could definitely dunk off a few steps, it would just be weak as hell, so not interested in it hehe.

cool do it

peace[/quote]

Man, at your height if your RVJ was a legit 38" you’d be doing some decent tricks. I don’t think you’re that far off,[/quote]

bro…

my single arm reach in nike zoom waffle racers is 95" fully stretched out, my other reach measurements were done in basketball shoes (nike solo flight one’s or whatever), waffles are thinner…

11’ touch at 95" reach = 37"

11’ touch is 12" over a 10’ rim, you don’t think im getting that?

my reach is not impressive, nor is my wingspan… getting 12" over a rim with 8" hand size doesn’t look too amazing, but those are my numbers.

i don’t care about numbers anymore except for 47, head on rim, but still, i’ve definitely hit some 37-38 legit jumps… here’s some urls just to clarify:

i didn’t measure this rim but it was definitely 10’2 or so:

10’ hoop:

10’ hoop:

~9’11 hoop:

9’11 hoop:

10’ hoop:

those were my last few dunk sessions in order from most recent to least recent hah… anyway, i remember you said i wasn’t jumping 35" way back after i hit 36.5" on a vertec using 96" reach… just saying, i understand you want really pure numbers but dno what else i can do other than jumping on vertecs, which i do have, but i jump too sideways on a full runup and i land on the base, it’s dangerous for me so…

anyway it’s all good

peace

[quote] I just don’t think you’ve practiced enough to pull certain things off. There’s been a few dunks you’ve posted where you’re high enough to do 2-hand cockbacks and a windmill [if your hands are big enough]. Why not give it a shot?
[/quote]

right i don’t practice any other dunk at all, when i do catch a two hander it’s usually by accident… i practice dunking enough, i do it every other day pretty much, but i’m looking for that nasty throw down from 40+, so ya i don’t practice anything else… when i do practice other dunks i get dumb injuries, i’ve broken my finger doing a 360 lob for someone… i also recently strained a peroneal doing yet again, another 360 lob for someone… heh

well i can’t palm a ball, if i could i’d be able to throw down from dribble up alot easier.

peace man

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[quote]xX5tr3n9thXx wrote:
damn dude why so hostile towards me. I’ll post a dunk vid today for ya.[/quote]

bro i was just messing around, relax ;0 cool post it up.

i get that “why do you do the same dunk” comment every day, multiple times per day, so i’ve come up with weird rebuttals to it.

peace

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[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]xX5tr3n9thXx wrote:
why do you do the same dunk every time?[/quote]

why do you take a shit on the toilet the same way every time? mix it up bro we’re getting tired of you just sitting down and shitting, do some crossed leg shitting, standing up shitting, or some between the leg twister style shitting.

i’m also tired of you wiping your ass the same way every time… do a few 360 wipes… wipe with the other hand… wipe with no hands (toilet paper on edge of bath rub).

come on bro ur so boring.
[/quote]

Don’t think he was being an ass. I see what he’s saying.[/quote]

i completely understand him, almost everybody is annoyed that I do the same dunk over and over but I don’t care :slight_smile: I do my thing then drop a vid, i’m not interested in trying to do “weak ass tricks”, if my RVJ was legit 45+ i’d be doing tricks every session, then it would be fun, but until then, i’m just doing the same old power dunk off lob.

nah, i do dunk sessions and then just make vids and post… if people are bored by it that’s fine they don’t have to watch, if some people continue to watch that’s fine too.

can i kill a rim off drop step? I could definitely dunk off a few steps, it would just be weak as hell, so not interested in it hehe.

cool do it

peace[/quote]

Man, at your height if your RVJ was a legit 38" you’d be doing some decent tricks. I don’t think you’re that far off,[/quote]

bro…

my single arm reach in nike zoom waffle racers is 95" fully stretched out, my other reach measurements were done in basketball shoes (nike solo flight one’s or whatever), waffles are thinner…

11’ touch at 95" reach = 37"

11’ touch is 12" over a 10’ rim, you don’t think im getting that?

my reach is not impressive, nor is my wingspan… getting 12" over a rim with 8" hand size doesn’t look too amazing, but those are my numbers.

i don’t care about numbers anymore except for 47, head on rim, but still, i’ve definitely hit some 37-38 legit jumps… here’s some urls just to clarify:

i didn’t measure this rim but it was definitely 10’2 or so:

10’ hoop:

10’ hoop:

~9’11 hoop:

9’11 hoop:

10’ hoop:

those were my last few dunk sessions in order from most recent to least recent hah… anyway, i remember you said i wasn’t jumping 35" way back after i hit 36.5" on a vertec using 96" reach… just saying, i understand you want really pure numbers but dno what else i can do other than jumping on vertecs, which i do have, but i jump too sideways on a full runup and i land on the base, it’s dangerous for me so…

anyway it’s all good

peace

[quote] I just don’t think you’ve practiced enough to pull certain things off. There’s been a few dunks you’ve posted where you’re high enough to do 2-hand cockbacks and a windmill [if your hands are big enough]. Why not give it a shot?
[/quote]

right i don’t practice any other dunk at all, when i do catch a two hander it’s usually by accident… i practice dunking enough, i do it every other day pretty much, but i’m looking for that nasty throw down from 40+, so ya i don’t practice anything else… when i do practice other dunks i get dumb injuries, i’ve broken my finger doing a 360 lob for someone… i also recently strained a peroneal doing yet again, another 360 lob for someone… heh

well i can’t palm a ball, if i could i’d be able to throw down from dribble up alot easier.

peace man[/quote]

Not trying to be an ass, but didn’t you post a vid of you maxing at 34" off the run or something? And no, I don’t think you’re getting near a full foot over the rim. If you’re getting a full foot over the rim you’re getting crazy dunks, even if it is just 1-handed tomahawks. I can’t palm a ball either, so I get that. If your reach is 96" that’s 8’. You should only have to get about 30" off the ground to dunk consistently. 36" off the ground would have you a full foot over the rim, and that is nasty dunk material. I’m not saying you’re not getting up on some of those dunks ‘cause you punched the shit outta a few of those, but I doubt you’re at 11’ on any of 'em. I could be completely wrong though, so who knows. Either way, good luck on the goals.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]xX5tr3n9thXx wrote:
why do you do the same dunk every time?[/quote]

why do you take a shit on the toilet the same way every time? mix it up bro we’re getting tired of you just sitting down and shitting, do some crossed leg shitting, standing up shitting, or some between the leg twister style shitting.

i’m also tired of you wiping your ass the same way every time… do a few 360 wipes… wipe with the other hand… wipe with no hands (toilet paper on edge of bath rub).

come on bro ur so boring.
[/quote]

Don’t think he was being an ass. I see what he’s saying.[/quote]

i completely understand him, almost everybody is annoyed that I do the same dunk over and over but I don’t care :slight_smile: I do my thing then drop a vid, i’m not interested in trying to do “weak ass tricks”, if my RVJ was legit 45+ i’d be doing tricks every session, then it would be fun, but until then, i’m just doing the same old power dunk off lob.

nah, i do dunk sessions and then just make vids and post… if people are bored by it that’s fine they don’t have to watch, if some people continue to watch that’s fine too.

can i kill a rim off drop step? I could definitely dunk off a few steps, it would just be weak as hell, so not interested in it hehe.

cool do it

peace[/quote]

Man, at your height if your RVJ was a legit 38" you’d be doing some decent tricks. I don’t think you’re that far off,[/quote]

bro…

my single arm reach in nike zoom waffle racers is 95" fully stretched out, my other reach measurements were done in basketball shoes (nike solo flight one’s or whatever), waffles are thinner…

11’ touch at 95" reach = 37"

11’ touch is 12" over a 10’ rim, you don’t think im getting that?

my reach is not impressive, nor is my wingspan… getting 12" over a rim with 8" hand size doesn’t look too amazing, but those are my numbers.

i don’t care about numbers anymore except for 47, head on rim, but still, i’ve definitely hit some 37-38 legit jumps… here’s some urls just to clarify:

i didn’t measure this rim but it was definitely 10’2 or so:

10’ hoop:

10’ hoop:

~9’11 hoop:

9’11 hoop:

10’ hoop:

those were my last few dunk sessions in order from most recent to least recent hah… anyway, i remember you said i wasn’t jumping 35" way back after i hit 36.5" on a vertec using 96" reach… just saying, i understand you want really pure numbers but dno what else i can do other than jumping on vertecs, which i do have, but i jump too sideways on a full runup and i land on the base, it’s dangerous for me so…

anyway it’s all good

peace

[quote] I just don’t think you’ve practiced enough to pull certain things off. There’s been a few dunks you’ve posted where you’re high enough to do 2-hand cockbacks and a windmill [if your hands are big enough]. Why not give it a shot?
[/quote]

right i don’t practice any other dunk at all, when i do catch a two hander it’s usually by accident… i practice dunking enough, i do it every other day pretty much, but i’m looking for that nasty throw down from 40+, so ya i don’t practice anything else… when i do practice other dunks i get dumb injuries, i’ve broken my finger doing a 360 lob for someone… i also recently strained a peroneal doing yet again, another 360 lob for someone… heh

well i can’t palm a ball, if i could i’d be able to throw down from dribble up alot easier.

peace man[/quote]

Not trying to be an ass, but didn’t you post a vid of you maxing at 34" off the run or something? And no, I don’t think you’re getting near a full foot over the rim. If you’re getting a full foot over the rim you’re getting crazy dunks, even if it is just 1-handed tomahawks. I can’t palm a ball either, so I get that. If your reach is 96" that’s 8’. You should only have to get about 30" off the ground to dunk consistently. 36" off the ground would have you a full foot over the rim, and that is nasty dunk material. I’m not saying you’re not getting up on some of those dunks ‘cause you punched the shit outta a few of those, but I doubt you’re at 11’ on any of 'em. I could be completely wrong though, so who knows. Either way, good luck on the goals.[/quote]

no, i got 36.5 (11’0.5") on a vertec with a 96" reach using basketball shoes… my reach is 95" in nike zoom waffle racers… the vid on youtube i have is of 132" touch, i didn’t upload the 132.5" one but i have a pic somewhere, it came the week after, wanted to upload 133", was planning on hitting that…

30" off the ground? lol dude your numbers are so jacked… that would be a 10’5-10’6 touch and my fucking hand is 8", i can’t dunk with a 10’6 touch… no way i can dunk with a 10’5-10’6 touch, that is horrible, that’s 3 quarters of my hand over who the hell can dunk with that, i know i can’t haha… i pretty much can’t dunk unless i’m getting 35" at least.

12" aint shit dude, go measure 12" from your fingertip, that’s nothing… it’s pretty evident that i’m getting 11’ touches in those pics, those wrist bands I wear are 4 inches…

if you think i should be throwing down insane shit with only getting 12" over the rim then I guess we are on way different planets because 12 inches is nothing…

peace

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Man, you get really defensive for no reason. Do you dunk in track waffles? You’re adding at least an inch and a half to your hops if you’re dunking in basketball shoes. 12" is a shit ton, and if 6" over the rim is only 3/4ths of your hand then you got mitts big enough to palm a ball with ease, and 30" would be all you need for 1 hand dunks. It’s that simple. I’ve posted several easy 2 hand dunks where I’d say I’m no higher than 10’8" with both hands. For me, that’s over 3’ off the ground [7’7" reach in basketball shoes]. If you wanna believe that you’re a foot over the rim on a lot of those, awesome. I’ll quit posting in this thread until I get more dunk vids up 'cause I’m tired of seeing inflated numbers. Y’all be good.

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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Man, you get really defensive for no reason.[/quote]

dno, i see a reason, you’re always on me about my vert, called my vertec jumps like 32’s or something way back when i hit 11’ and 11’0.5" on a vertec using a 96" maxed out single arm reach…

yes i dunk in nike zoom waffle racers aka track waffles, check my shoes in my vids they are pimp as hell.

i hate basketball shoes they are too “heavy” and restrict my ankles.

it’s not that simple, because, I HAVE 8" HANDS AND CAN’T PALM A BASKETBALL… eh…

12" is not a shit ton, 12" is a foot… i didn’t know a foot was a shit ton… in those pics I posted, my hand is 8" and my wrist band is 4", pretty easy to see for most anyone that i’m 12" over the rim.

your ‘eye’ is horrible… i’ve hit 36.5" on a vertec (11’0.5") and i’m jumping higher now then I was then… i’ve hit 10’10" off two steps like 3 months ago on my vertec and i’m jumping higher now than i was then… ive got bruises on video 4" down the base of my palm from slamming it against the rim.

don’t know what more you need for accurate numbers… my shit is pretty much as accurate as it gets.

peace

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for anyone who thinks 12" is way above rim:

12" over rim: 11’ touch with 96" reach

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12.5" over rim: 11’0.5" touch with 96" reach

keep in mind, the very bottom of the vertec part that protrudes out, the metal piece, is not 10’, 10’ is the first red.

here’s 10’10 (10 inches above 10’) ~2 months ago off two steps from a top angle:

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OMG I SHOULD BE DOING BTL’S AND INSANE TOMOHAWKS WITH 12" OVER THE RIM.

lololololooooooooooooooooooooooooooololol

pc

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Well… this thread went to shit. Took 34 pages. Might be a record for a vert thread.

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
Well… this thread went to shit. Took 34 pages. Might be a record for a vert thread.[/quote]

go fuck yourself jtrinsey, no one likes you here or on db forum.

you’re a little whiney bitch… all you do is cry about threads “going to shit”…

this thread is fine and will do better without your whining.

god you’re such a little fucking sissy.

this is T-Nation, not estrogen nation, go take your whiney pms vaginitis fagshit somewhere else.

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Strength where’s your dunk video? Haha hope you see this before we lift tommorow

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here’s some lame shit from monday, i got a posterior shin splint & a strained peroneal from like 3 dunk sessions ago, was really bugging me this dunk session… whatever, i’m squatting monday/tuesday/wednesday, rest thurs, then going to murder a 9’11 rim on new years eve, hopefully it heals up by then.

dunk travel channel episode 3:

same type of dunk, got up ok considering the shit in my lower leg, but whatever… gotta go big on friday.

peace

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i’m not saying i have big legs or anything, but i took some pics for fun, it’s just funny how developed my VMO is compared to VL or the rest of my thigh… my adductors get alot bigger up towards groin and my glutes are pretty big now, but VMO is definitely most developed most of my legs… that’s good though, protects the patella.

a vid from yesterday, hoping to PR 265 x 20 today on half squat… this will be 3 high volume 20 rep squat sessions in a row (3 days in a row), feel great.

some pics

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3267/dec28vmo0005400.png

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8343/dec28vmo0011711.png

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peace

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last dunk session of 2010, 9’11 rim

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Hey guys, got a question for ya. I use to bascially be obseesed with basketball, and played in middle school and my 1st 2 years of high school. At that time, all I did was basically play basketball ALOT. I was about 6’2" ish and around 140 lbs (yes, I was that skinny) my sophmore year, and was WEAK as could be, no explosion, was someone who always excelled at distance running, never sprinting or jumping. But due to having big hands, and long arms, I was able to do Air Alert (i know now that it’s crap, but a freind gave it too me) and actually be able to dunk, if running off one leg.

However, I stopped playing the last few years and have really been focusing on getting bigger and stronger. I’m now about 225 (bodyfat in mid teens, still have abs, so most of the gains are muscle), and after playing basically maybe once or twice every few months, I’ve lost what little hops I have. The weirdest thing is I can still jump up and nearly cram off two legs now, but my once superior one-legged leap barely gets me too the net it seems. But, I’m about 3 times as strong as I use too be. Is this just basically lack of actually kjumping, as in if I actually started playing again, I would potentially be able to dunk consistently again afer a few months?

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Hey guys, got a question for ya. I use to bascially be obseesed with basketball, and played in middle school and my 1st 2 years of high school. At that time, all I did was basically play basketball ALOT. I was about 6’2" ish and around 140 lbs (yes, I was that skinny) my sophmore year, and was WEAK as could be, no explosion, was someone who always excelled at distance running, never sprinting or jumping. But due to having big hands, and long arms, I was able to do Air Alert (i know now that it’s crap, but a freind gave it too me) and actually be able to dunk, if running off one leg.

However, I stopped playing the last few years and have really been focusing on getting bigger and stronger. I’m now about 225 (bodyfat in mid teens, still have abs, so most of the gains are muscle), and after playing basically maybe once or twice every few months, I’ve lost what little hops I have. The weirdest thing is I can still jump up and nearly cram off two legs now, but my once superior one-legged leap barely gets me too the net it seems. But, I’m about 3 times as strong as I use too be. Is this just basically lack of actually kjumping, as in if I actually started playing again, I would potentially be able to dunk consistently again afer a few months? [/quote]

are you sure you’re about 3 times as strong as you used to be? what are your lifts? going from ~150 etc single leg, not jumping much, bulking up to 225, then trying to regain single leg is going to be a longgggggggggggg road… as you said, you are a much better double leg jumper now, and that’s to be expected with all of the bilateral lifts you’ve been doing, i imagine.

single leg is going to take some time to rebuild, several months… i’d get more submax volume in with single leg jumping, as it’s going to be alot more stressful now due to your weight, you want to rebuild that back slowly, good things for that would be submax single leg jumps & layup drills, power skips, etc.

as for double leg, sure, just by getting in more jumping, you should make some nice gains, especially if you are as strong as you say you are. if you can nearly cram it off two legs right now, then sure, by 2 months you should be slamming them down as long as you jump 2x/week maximally off two legs, at least… 3 times would probably be better but make sure you can handle two first.

pc

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[quote]adarqui wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Hey guys, got a question for ya. I use to bascially be obseesed with basketball, and played in middle school and my 1st 2 years of high school. At that time, all I did was basically play basketball ALOT. I was about 6’2" ish and around 140 lbs (yes, I was that skinny) my sophmore year, and was WEAK as could be, no explosion, was someone who always excelled at distance running, never sprinting or jumping. But due to having big hands, and long arms, I was able to do Air Alert (i know now that it’s crap, but a freind gave it too me) and actually be able to dunk, if running off one leg.

However, I stopped playing the last few years and have really been focusing on getting bigger and stronger. I’m now about 225 (bodyfat in mid teens, still have abs, so most of the gains are muscle), and after playing basically maybe once or twice every few months, I’ve lost what little hops I have. The weirdest thing is I can still jump up and nearly cram off two legs now, but my once superior one-legged leap barely gets me too the net it seems. But, I’m about 3 times as strong as I use too be. Is this just basically lack of actually kjumping, as in if I actually started playing again, I would potentially be able to dunk consistently again afer a few months? [/quote]

are you sure you’re about 3 times as strong as you used to be? what are your lifts? going from ~150 etc single leg, not jumping much, bulking up to 225, then trying to regain single leg is going to be a longgggggggggggg road… as you said, you are a much better double leg jumper now, and that’s to be expected with all of the bilateral lifts you’ve been doing, i imagine.

single leg is going to take some time to rebuild, several months… i’d get more submax volume in with single leg jumping, as it’s going to be alot more stressful now due to your weight, you want to rebuild that back slowly, good things for that would be submax single leg jumps & layup drills, power skips, etc.

as for double leg, sure, just by getting in more jumping, you should make some nice gains, especially if you are as strong as you say you are. if you can nearly cram it off two legs right now, then sure, by 2 months you should be slamming them down as long as you jump 2x/week maximally off two legs, at least… 3 times would probably be better but make sure you can handle two first.

pc
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Haha yeam the ‘3 times as strong’ thing was hyperbole to kind of epitomize how weak i USE too be, as in when we had to lift weights for basketball, back then I could only squat 75 lbs for 5 reps (I had the legs of a 7 years old anorexic girl), while now, I can front squat 245 for about 8. I know that’s not crazy strong by any means, but my point wa more that I’ve gotten alot stronger and more muscular since then, it just seems I’m stil lacking the ‘explosion’ I kind of want.

Like my main ‘focus’ is bodybuilding’ so it’s not like I wanna be an elite athlete or anything, just wanna kind of still have my hops when I play pickup games every couple weeks, because it almost feels ‘unnatural’ for me to jump now, which is weird when it use to be something you did ALL the time. but the single leg jumps and layup drills sound like a good place to start. I appreciate the help

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Aderqui, you’re a weird dude. If you’re getting a foot over the rim with a ball in your hand you’re catching windmills and nasty shit. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE. You might hit 11’ under ideal conditions in track shoes on springy surfaces, but you’re not getting a foot over the rim out there on concrete and you’re sure as hell not doing it with the ball in your hands. Throwing it and catching it at it’s apex is cool but not one of those is a foot over the rim. I don’t care what your bracelet says.