[quote]PharmD Pete wrote:
Also how much Metabolic Drive would someone need for a 3 week v-diet?[/quote]
That depends on the specifics of your program, but the answer is generally; a shitload. If you’re taking two scoops (40 grams of protein, 220 calories) five times a day then a two pound tub of Metabolic Drive is only going to last you about three days.
You’ll need between 12 and 15 jugs depending on your bodyweight.
I got to the gym today to workout so I was able to weigh myself. I weighed in at 180.7. That’s 3 more pounds and about 9 pounds total. Not to dang bad. I had thought I was still getting leaner but this helped to confirm that. I am starting to feel like a “small guy”. It helped that as soon as I hit the workout floor I saw 3 people that I know an 2 of them said that I looked bigger and the other one just commented how good I was looking. I still feel kind of “little” but I’m getting over that especially since my weights aren’t going down and/or I’m getting stronger.
I’ll be adding in some carbs this coming week on a cycling kind of approach. On the days I lift I’ll be taking in around 150 grams, on the days I do ESW I’ll take in about 100 grams and on the days that I do neither I will only get 50 grams.
Lift = morning oatmeal and some fruit and MD, Surge PWO, and a sweet potato with some meat 90 mins later.
ESW = same thing minus the Surge
Off = only oatmeal in the morning w/o fruit
This should help as I’ve switched to OVT now. It’s kind of fun going back to a body part split. I did shoulders today like this:
Standing Military Press: 5 x 5 w/115/125/135/135/135
Incline Lat Raises: 2 x 5 w/15’s
Seated DB Press: 5 x 5 w/50/55/60/60/60’s
Machine Lat Raises: 3 x 5
Cable Rows to Neck: 5 x 5 w/90
Rear Delt Raises: 3 x 5 w/10’s
With as lean as I am now my shoulders are really starting to pop and show good vascularity.
Ok, I’m officially in on the V-diet. Started today (saturday). Worked from 8-6. Had a cup of coffee this morning and a shake with greens+ added.
Just finishing shake #4 now. At my bodyweight I am taking a min of 1200 and a max of 1500. I know that seems low, but… thats how the numbers worked out.
Workout tomorrow morning. Will see how that goes. Also going to do a weigh in and a BF measure to get a baseline.
Scottish, I am really excited about the progress you have made so far. Its definately encouraging. Keep up the good work. I hope to mirror your results.
i went with a sante fe salad with extra chicken…and got about 1/4 of the way with it b4 i decided to call it quits. i just didnt want anymore food, and dont want any at all. like, as in i dont want to eat till next saturday, and im in no rush. iv lost 6 lbs so far, from 220-214 weighed today.
i tried one of the Metabolic Drive bars today just for kicks, pretty good. but the next week im going to strictly(!) follow the diet, and am going to walk in the morning, and do lots of heavy lifting. im tryin to aim for at least a 5 lb loss. BRING IT ON!!!
[quote]Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
hey get off my case bro. im tryin the best i can. just bc i had a little chicken and som milk doesnt mean im a failure. and im just trying out wat i should eat for a meal on the weekend. im going out with my fam and want to be able to eat with them. if u dont have something good to say, keep your mouth shut[/quote]
I didn’t say you were a failure. You just seem to be making excuses for not strictly following the V-Diet. It was just an observation. I just live by the principle if something is worth doing it’s worth doing right.
Shugs has commented before about how many different variations of the V-Diet he has seen and how they have worked for people. I said this earlier in this post, that if you can make variations and still see weight loss then you’re doing ok. Just make sure you don’t think a glass of milk is an appropriate substitution for a M-Drive shake, with or without the chicken. What I don’t like reading is people who make variations and then bitch that the diet sucks and just doesn’t work, not that you’ve done that… yet.
I saw your recent post about sticking to it for next week. Good luck with that. Fight off the cravings for real food and you’ll get great results. If you came into this not strictly dieting already, then realize those first five pounds you already lost were just mostly water. This next week is what will count and be real fat loss.
See… I can be constructive… somewhat.
[quote]Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
i tried one of the Metabolic Drive bars today just for kicks, pretty good. but the next week im going to strictly(!) follow the diet, and am going to walk in the morning, and do lots of heavy lifting. im tryin to aim for at least a 5 lb loss. BRING IT ON!!![/quote]
Not too heavy though. If you are strictly following the diet, your training will be sub-par at best. If you go in the gym and can hit your 1RM, then you aren’t doing something right with the diet.
iv been following the diet to the T, except for the 2 glasses of milk and some chicken. and what i meant by the “heavy weights” was that i was going to focus in on my diet and training and get it done this next week. i wanna b down to about 209 by next sunday
Started the new carb rotation diet today. The rest of my meals are still VD shakes though. Those carbs are pretty fuckin’ good. I weighrf 181.8 after a full day of “eating” with the new carbs. I’m not worried.
I switched my workouts now that I’ll be getting more carbs. I did legs today. All I can say is “Fuck”! I did those extended 5’s that Thib wrote about. Well after those I tried to squat. Now normally I have around a 400 lbs max give or take 10 lbs. So I put 225 on the bar for the 5 x 5 of squats (after the extended 5’s). It just about dropped me. I should have known when I could barely stand with out weight on my back, so I only got a shaky 3. I had to lower the bar weight to 185 and still BARELY got through. What the hell! Here’s the breakdown:
Leg Press:
4 x 5/5/5 w/10 plates, whatever that is
Leg Curls:
4 x 5/5/5/w/90
Back Squat:
5 x 5 w/225(FUCK)-185
RDL’s:
3 x 10 w/225 (easy)
Seated Calf Raise:
3 x 15 w/60
I’ll do some cardio tomorrow and the have a chest/back day.
So, you’re transitioning off now? Good job man, that takes some fucking dedication.
This diet actually appeals to me because it sounds so hard but I can’t do it (at least not for a while). My goal right now is packing on size and this definitely wouldn’t be the route to take. Maybe one day.
Anyway, are you going to continue this journal?
I dont think I ever missed the weights I was trying to hit on the v-diet. There is no reason you should be missing lifts or going down weights in large numbers. If anything you should maintain/gain a little in the numbers department.
As far as the guy who is changing things up a little… Don’t worry too much, Just know that every time you drink milk or eat a metabolic drive bar you aren’t making the best decision. If you are still seeing weight loss thats awesome, but the weeks to come are going to slow down and get harder to lose fat. You must get on the ball if you really want to see the results.
If you are dying to have something that isn’t on the diet, eat a big ass bowl of veggies and chicken or something, not a metabolic drive bar. As good as they seem, that is still a big chunk of sugar.
Day 2, not hungry, no real cravings, unless you count passing that pizza place on the way home from the gym? Can I have an extra large pepperoni and 2 pitchers of beer on this diet?
Squatted today and strength coming back still, on a side note Dan John’s advice on starting your workouts w/ front squats was dead on. I’ve struggled w/ tight hip flexors for a while.
Back to the diet, today I’ve been drained physically and emotionally, but that’s probably as much a reflection of everything else going on in my life.
I just took the state bar exam a few weeks ago after a full year of academic overload. Needless to say my diet/training suffered. Yesterday I weighed in at 247, at 5’11 1/2 and I’m guessing anywhere from 17 to 20% BF. I don’t have a good way to measure BF so I took some other measurements. My life is kind of on hold for the next few months so I figure this is a good time to do something radical. In late May I go back to Houston for graduation ceremony, want to look good for some ladies. I’ll keep everyone posted.
Day 2 finished today. First workout since starting. Woke at 11 am today, so 4 shakes plus Surge in 12 hours wasn’t horrible.
Continued with TBT from Waterbury. I’m on week 5 about to start week 6 tomorrow. Went pretty well this afternoon. Did 30 min on the treadmill after the weights.
I don’t have a reliable scale to use, but I did BF measures this morning and came out at 16%. Hoping to drop that by a few points over the next few weeks.
I can tell the diet is going to be rough these first few days. Back to work tomorrow, I’ll get a better idea of how hard it is going to be mentally as we have a free lunch every day. It will be tough to pass, but I’ll do it.
Placed an order for some supps today too. HOT-ROX, Creatine, ZMA, and of course Metabolic Drive. Sux that they are out of the chocolate. it is the best in my opinion. Going to try the orange for the first time. At least I’ll be able to have a different shake each meal, that should help.
ya my diet wasnt on par today(my gfs grandfather died and was at her house all day.) and im going to focus clean tomorrow and the rest of the week. im going to concentrate hard on my lifting, and get some quality cardio in this week. i am down 7 lbs in 7 days (220-213) and i want to try to hit that 209 mark by next sunday
[quote]Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
ya i know, but i had it anyways. also had bout 3 oz of chicken, cold, today, just b/c i didnt have time to make a shake and needed a little protein. other than that , tho, iv been following it to a T. bout to go lift in a little bit and play some ball[/quote]
I’m confused… how can you have time to make chicken but not time to make a shake? Are you eating your chicken raw?
[quote]donkrabbit wrote:
PharmD Pete wrote:
Also how much Metabolic Drive would someone need for a 3 week v-diet?
That depends on the specifics of your program, but the answer is generally; a shitload. If you’re taking two scoops (40 grams of protein, 220 calories) five times a day then a two pound tub of Metabolic Drive is only going to last you about three days.[/quote]
Best way to figure it out:
[quote]Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
hey get off my case bro. im tryin the best i can. just bc i had a little chicken and som milk doesnt mean im a failure. and im just trying out wat i should eat for a meal on the weekend. im going out with my fam and want to be able to eat with them. if u dont have something good to say, keep your mouth shut[/quote]
No offense Ballin, but he’s right. There are no hybrids. No one said you are failure, but it’s either the V-Diet or it isn’t. It’s referred to as an “extreme diet” because that’s what it is – extreme. There is no room for modifications. None. The use of Surge, Low-Carb Metabolic Drive, fish oil, and milled flaxseeds is essential.
Just a note…
On workout days you still drink 5 Metabolic Drive shakes PLUS the Surge. You only cut out the fish oil on workout days…took me a week to realize that. If you “must” cheat on this diet, eat a bowl of oatmeal on your workout day for pre-workout.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Just a note…
On workout days you still drink 5 Metabolic Drive shakes PLUS the Surge. You only cut out the fish oil on workout days…took me a week to realize that. If you “must” cheat on this diet, eat a bowl of oatmeal on your workout day for pre-workout.[/quote]
That actually depends on your training habits and caloric requirements.
In my case, the number of shakes I drink vary, as do the serving sizes. Since I train first thing in the morning, I’ll have one serving of MD at 5:45, then a serving of Surge at 7am.
However, on non-training days, I’m having only a half-serving of Metabolic Drive at 5:45. I then take a walk, then have two servings at 7am.
Those differences right there will dictate the breakdown for the rest of the day. In my case:
Workout days: 5 Metabolic Drive shakes, at 1, 2, 2, 2 and 1.5 servings, in that order.
Non-workout days: 6 Metabolic Drive shakes, at .5, 2, 2, 2, 2 and .5 servings.
You could also choose to take a fish-oil supp on work-out days if it doesn’t screw up your caloric intake.
I’ve done the V-Diet a total of three (3) times in the past two years. The first time was great for getting rid of stubborn bodyfat that I’d been holding on to for at least 10 years. The second time was after gaining back the bodyfat due to a serious injury and the resultant inability to train. The third time was just recently (finished the transition phase by mid-February 2006).
Overall, my personal goal in using the V-Diet was to get my bodyfat low enough so that I could gain lean muscle tissue when I increased my calories. A bit of research revealed to me that the lower your initial bodyfat BEFORE bulking, the more lean muscle tissue you’ll gain.
When I finished my most recent experience with the V-Diet, I weighed ~178 lbs. I’ve been following the Waterbury Method and increasing my carb intake by ~150-200 grams a day. As a result, I’m currently at ~10% bodyfat, 5’10" and 183 lbs. My waist size has not increased, but I do feel that I’m holding some water in adipose tissues and my muscles. The plan is to continue gaining ~1 pound a week for the next month, and then possibly going on the V-Diet to tighten things up a bit. By summertime I hope to be weighing ~187-190 at 9% bodyfat.
[quote]PSlave wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
Just a note…
On workout days you still drink 5 Metabolic Drive shakes PLUS the Surge. You only cut out the fish oil on workout days…took me a week to realize that. If you “must” cheat on this diet, eat a bowl of oatmeal on your workout day for pre-workout.
That actually depends on your training habits and caloric requirements.
In my case, the number of shakes I drink vary, as do the serving sizes. Since I train first thing in the morning, I’ll have one serving of Metabolic Drive at 5:45, then a serving of Surge at 7am.
However, on non-training days, I’m having only a half-serving of Metabolic Drive at 5:45. I then take a walk, then have two servings at 7am.
Those differences right there will dictate the breakdown for the rest of the day. In my case:
Workout days: 5 Metabolic Drive shakes, at 1, 2, 2, 2 and 1.5 servings, in that order.
Non-workout days: 6 Metabolic Drive shakes, at .5, 2, 2, 2, 2 and .5 servings.
You could also choose to take a fish-oil supp on work-out days if it doesn’t screw up your caloric intake.
[/quote]
I agree with both of you, to a certian extent. The original principle behind the V-Diet is to have 5 shakes every day, and just add in the Surge on training days. But… Shugs did say that you need to evaluate your actual caloric intake needs and adjust as necessary. A 250lb guy can afford a 6th shake, a 190lb guy cannot. As long as you are only making the modifications PSlave indiacted, and not adding in other “foods”, it’s all good.
I do have to say that PSlave is making it a little harder than it needs to be. A shake is a shake, just make it with 2 scoops and be done with it. I wouldn’t monkey around with .5 servings, 1.5, etc. Are you worried you’ll get too much protein? The calorie requirements aren’t that stringent.