I don’t think you really appreciate how much of a factor size and strength are. Twenty pounds is an enormous amount of weight, particularly since I’m pretty sure Silva doesn’t cut at all. Irvin might not be as technical as Silva, but with a large size and strength advantage, he can power out of the clinch and subs better, control stand up grappling and takedowns, absorb much more damage, and even punch that glances or hits Silva’s cover can do serious damage.
Frankly, I doubt Silva will even be able to clinch well with Irvin.[/quote]
Don’t presume anything about me. You know nothing about my background.
I think you are wrong and I think Silva is going to have his way with Irvin and might seriously injure him. Why you think he will have trouble clinching up with him is beyond me. Clinching is as much dependent on technique and body position as it is strength. Ask Rich Franklin.
The good news is we will see. Fortunately for you, I don’t gloat.
After tonights little production on Spike I am definitely Tivoing the UFC’s next offering. It took two hours to get thru three fights. I hate commercials with a passion.
Also, Silva is pretty big. He just did a seminar over here and I’d bet he is easily over two hundred. He doesn’t look very big on camera, but he is relatively tall.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
After tonights little production on Spike I am definitely Tivoing the UFC’s next offering. It took two hours to get thru three fights. I hate commercials with a passion.
Also, Silva is pretty big. He just did a seminar over here and I’d bet he is easily over two hundred. He doesn’t look very big on camera, but he is relatively tall.[/quote]
Don’t forget about the hour long shpeal with Joe and Dana about Anderson being the best pound for pound fighter in the world. They should have just said: “Don’t watch Fedor.” This is like the old WWF/WCW wars.
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
slimjim wrote:
After tonights little production on Spike I am definitely Tivoing the UFC’s next offering. It took two hours to get thru three fights. I hate commercials with a passion.
Also, Silva is pretty big. He just did a seminar over here and I’d bet he is easily over two hundred. He doesn’t look very big on camera, but he is relatively tall.
Don’t forget about the hour long shpeal with Joe and Dana about Anderson being the best pound for pound fighter in the world. They should have just said: “Don’t watch Fedor.” This is like the old WWF/WCW wars.
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Thing is, you know as soon as he gets home, Rogan is watching the Affliction card which he will have Tivo’d!
[quote]Fiction wrote:
You’re getting your panties in quite a bunch for a simple observation. Perhaps a change of your tampon would alleviate some of your symptoms.
I’ll wager Silva doesn’t even attempt the clinch because he knows he can’t hold it.
And gloat away. I certainly intend to. :)[/quote]
Uh, that was level 2 at best.
If you think that was me getting my ‘panties’ in a bunch you need to quit hanging around with adolescent children before it puts a stain on you you’ll never wash off.
[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
slimjim wrote:
After tonights little production on Spike I am definitely Tivoing the UFC’s next offering. It took two hours to get thru three fights. I hate commercials with a passion.
Also, Silva is pretty big. He just did a seminar over here and I’d bet he is easily over two hundred. He doesn’t look very big on camera, but he is relatively tall.
Don’t forget about the hour long shpeal with Joe and Dana about Anderson being the best pound for pound fighter in the world. They should have just said: “Don’t watch Fedor.” This is like the old WWF/WCW wars.
Thing is, you know as soon as he gets home, Rogan is watching the Affliction card which he will have Tivo’d![/quote]
That’s just it. I heard a radio interview with Joe awhile back where he says that Fedor is his favorite fighter and is pretty much on anther plane of existence compared to everyone else in MMA. I guess that only applies when the company he works for doesn’t have an event the same night. I actually like Joe, but it’s pretty obvious he was told to “say this”.
[quote]analog_kid wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
analog_kid wrote:
slimjim wrote:
After tonights little production on Spike I am definitely Tivoing the UFC’s next offering. It took two hours to get thru three fights. I hate commercials with a passion.
Also, Silva is pretty big. He just did a seminar over here and I’d bet he is easily over two hundred. He doesn’t look very big on camera, but he is relatively tall.
Don’t forget about the hour long shpeal with Joe and Dana about Anderson being the best pound for pound fighter in the world. They should have just said: “Don’t watch Fedor.” This is like the old WWF/WCW wars.
Thing is, you know as soon as he gets home, Rogan is watching the Affliction card which he will have Tivo’d!
That’s just it. I heard a radio interview with Joe awhile back where he says that Fedor is his favorite fighter and is pretty much on anther plane of existence compared to everyone else in MMA. I guess that only applies when the company he works for doesn’t have an event the same night. I actually like Joe, but it’s pretty obvious he was told to “say this”.
[quote]Fiction wrote:
Quinnthology wrote:
He’ll take a few fights and if he is 1-2 or 2-2 he will probably stop fighting in LHW.
He’d also lose his p4p status. You become recognized as the p4p best either by dominating your division and sticking with it, or winning in your division and then moving up to beat the champ of the next weight class ala BJ Penn.
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Why would he lose his p4p status? (which he may lose that night even if he wins, if fedor shows he’s kept his form) The whole point of p4p debates is to say “if all things were equal, who’d be the best?” when in fact everyone knows that all things are not equal, and size is an advantage.
Not THE determining factor, but an advantage, otherwise they wouldnt have weight classes. A featherweight could be considered the best p4p fighter, that doesnt mean anyone would expect him to win against a hw.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Why would he lose his p4p status? (which he may lose that night even if he wins, if fedor shows he’s kept his form) The whole point of p4p debates is to say “if all things were equal, who’d be the best?” when in fact everyone knows that all things are not equal, and size is an advantage.
Not THE determining factor, but an advantage, otherwise they wouldnt have weight classes. A featherweight could be considered the best p4p fighter, that doesnt mean anyone would expect him to win against a hw.
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Because Irvin isn’t even close to being a contender. If Silva lost to Nog it wouldn’t be at all damaging to his reputation. in fact, it might even improve if he gave it a decent run. But he is only moving up one weight class, and he is fighting an average fighter.
The reason Penn is still regarded as such an amazing talent was partly because he was never in good shape, but also because he wrecked his own division AND because he did serious damage to the big names in the division above him–tooling Hughes and beating the shit out of GSP. His losses were mostly in weight classes that were absurdly high, and even then he gave guys like Machida a run. Losses like that can be understood, a loss by a healthy, in shape, Silva to an average fighter like Irvin would be bad and could not be explained away. People would conclude that the 185 division was just a little weak, and that other fighters would be more worthy.
Just my opinion and that’s all I’m gonna say on the matter. People seem to be saying the same things over and over. Lets just see what happens shall we?
[quote]Fiction wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Why would he lose his p4p status? (which he may lose that night even if he wins, if fedor shows he’s kept his form) The whole point of p4p debates is to say “if all things were equal, who’d be the best?” when in fact everyone knows that all things are not equal, and size is an advantage.
Not THE determining factor, but an advantage, otherwise they wouldnt have weight classes. A featherweight could be considered the best p4p fighter, that doesnt mean anyone would expect him to win against a hw.
Because Irvin isn’t even close to being a contender. If Silva lost to Nog it wouldn’t be at all damaging to his reputation. in fact, it might even improve if he gave it a decent run. But he is only moving up one weight class, and he is fighting an average fighter.
The reason Penn is still regarded as such an amazing talent was partly because he was never in good shape, but also because he wrecked his own division AND because he did serious damage to the big names in the division above him–tooling Hughes and beating the shit out of GSP. His losses were mostly in weight classes that were absurdly high, and even then he gave guys like Machida a run. Losses like that can be understood, a loss by a healthy, in shape, Silva to an average fighter like Irvin would be bad and could not be explained away. People would conclude that the 185 division was just a little weak, and that other fighters would be more worthy.
Just my opinion and that’s all I’m gonna say on the matter. People seem to be saying the same things over and over. Lets just see what happens shall we? [/quote]
The only fighter who can claim they beat the shit out of GSP would be Serra. I’m see’n another BJ nutthugger who refuses to acknowledge rounds 2&3 in that fight. Guess its still gonna take another fight to clear it all up. Can’t wait.
Cant wait to see Silva at 205. Its hard to believe its just a “one off” fight. More likely he is testing the waters. As was already said, he needs to do something. He has cleared out 185.
I’m suprised to see the pessimism on this forum for Silva at 205. Fighters cross weight divisions quite often and Silva has the potential to be very successful at it.
Silva is a fluid figher, relying heavily on his technical superiority over his opponent. I do not see changing weight classes as having any sort of effect on that.
Also, there are plenty of ‘smaller guys’ that are successful at 205. Look at Wanderlei Silva, he isn’t exactly a big 205lbs fighter and he’s very good. Hendo can be included in that same boat.
Looks like I am heading up to Fargo to watch a Maxfights card on Saturday. It’s a prety good card, a couple of friends are fighting so it should be fun.
Anyway, lots of interviews and quotes swirling around this weekend.
Thats a pretty interesting interview. At least he is honest in setting out the areas in which he knows he cant beat Silva. But, I think he should add the clinch to one of those areas. Leverage and power matter but, so do skill, talent and experience. Silva has the edge in the last 3. I guess if he is so confident that he has the upper hand in the clinch, we are going to see him try to clinch up with Silva. That will make for an interesting fight.
Also, he planned the superman punch on Alexander!? If thats true, that was one amazingly executed game plan…
[quote]Vicarious wrote:
Thats a pretty interesting interview. At least he is honest in setting out the areas in which he knows he cant beat Silva. But, I think he should add the clinch to one of those areas. Leverage and power matter but, so do skill, talent and experience. Silva has the edge in the last 3. I guess if he is so confident that he has the upper hand in the clinch, we are going to see him try to clinch up with Silva. That will make for an interesting fight.
Also, he planned the superman punch on Alexander!? If thats true, that was one amazingly executed game plan…[/quote]
I think he is in for a BIG suprise.
Problem is I can’t find anybody to bet on it. People will run their mouth about this and that but nobody wants to risk anything on Irvin winning.
I am very excited for this card, and the Affliction card.
FYI, Tatame was at Black House a week ago, and Anderson weighed 220 at the start of practice. I think people discussing some great size advantage for Irvin are going to be in for a big surprise on fight night when they tie up.
Silva is 6’2" and looks almost frighteningly skinny at 185. I can’t imagine how much of a pain in the ass dieting down to 185 must be for him. He’s much more naturally suited (with regard to size and weight) to being a lightheavy.
