UFC 76: Knockout

[quote]Naphta wrote:
Fitnessdiva wrote:

On that note, I agree with what you said about Chuck having a difficult time with hard punchers. He’s lackluster against everyone who can hurt him standing. Even though he won against Overeem, he was losing that fight when he got the flash KO.

Thats sort of the story of Overeem’s life…
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Speak of the devil… Overeem v Kharitonov II. http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/heros/video/x3007k_heros10overeemvskharitonova99223_sport
As Bas said “This guy doesn’t just go TO the body, he goes after the body”.

[quote]gotaknife wrote:
Naphta wrote:
Fitnessdiva wrote:

On that note, I agree with what you said about Chuck having a difficult time with hard punchers. He’s lackluster against everyone who can hurt him standing. Even though he won against Overeem, he was losing that fight when he got the flash KO.

Thats sort of the story of Overeem’s life…

Speak of the devil… Overeem v Kharitonov II. http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/heros/video/x3007k_heros10overeemvskharitonova99223_sport
As Bas said “This guy doesn’t just go TO the body, he goes after the body”. [/quote]

I see the “turn around and run away from a guy that is punching me” defense doesn’t work so well for Alister. Man, Sergei kinda looked like a shit sandwich there…

[quote]Mick28 wrote:

Wasn’t Morrison insisting that he was never HIV positive? And his current doctors, from what I remember, are all stating that he’s not currently HIV.

But, I don’t disagree with your premise, boxing commissions are quite suspect.
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Well that’s a whole nother issue, but let’s just say that nobody legitimate has been able to provide any evidence to overturn his positive test and he refuses to take a blood test in Nevada, California, and New Jersey to get relisenced. West Virginia let him fight because he submitted a signed letter from a doctor that is related to him stating that he believed Morrison to be HIV free. So far they are the only athletic comission to reissue him a lisence.

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

Wasn’t Morrison insisting that he was never HIV positive? And his current doctors, from what I remember, are all stating that he’s not currently HIV.

But, I don’t disagree with your premise, boxing commissions are quite suspect.

Well that’s a whole nother issue, but let’s just say that nobody legitimate has been able to provide any evidence to overturn his positive test and he refuses to take a blood test in Nevada, California, and New Jersey to get relisenced. West Virginia let him fight because he submitted a signed letter from a doctor that is related to him stating that he believed Morrison to be HIV free. So far they are the only athletic comission to reissue him a lisence. [/quote]

That fight was a sad moment in the history of MMA. The guy (a professional boxer), fights a man who is 0-3 and changes the rules at the last minute to where it is a boxing match. What a laughing stock.

Back to UFC 76.

Did anyone else see that Wanderlei called out Forrest Griffin?

Out of 4 predictions I only got Machida’s win…W…T…F…!?!

[quote]Chewie wrote:
Donut62 wrote:

Did anyone else see that Wanderlei called out Forrest Griffin?

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Yes, and I think that fight makes a lot of sense. However, Jardine/Forrest II would be the perfect number one contendor match, and since they don’t have one now, I think they will make that fight instead. Wandy/Forrest would be good though because you have an instant great storyline, with Wandy trying to avenge his friend’s loss and holding two absolutely horrific knockouts over Rampage.

Hackleman is saying the UFC threw him Shogun’s name for a December bout with Liddell.

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Chewie wrote:
Donut62 wrote:

Did anyone else see that Wanderlei called out Forrest Griffin?

Yes, and I think that fight makes a lot of sense. However, Jardine/Forrest II would be the perfect number one contendor match, and since they don’t have one now, I think they will make that fight instead. Wandy/Forrest would be good though because you have an instant great storyline, with Wandy trying to avenge his friend’s loss and holding two absolutely horrific knockouts over Rampage.

Hackleman is saying the UFC threw him Shogun’s name for a December bout with Liddell. [/quote]

I agree that Jardine-Griffin II makes the most sense right now. Especially when you consider there was some controversy over the stoppage of the first fight. Griffin felt like it was stopped early and he wasn’t out. Of course, most guys unless they’re out cold say that, so who knows.

My guess is that Silva will end up fighting one of these two guys.

I still think the Ortiz-Evans winner also moves into title contention.

Shogun-Liddell would be intriguing, but it remains to be seen if Liddell will fight again that soon. He seemed rather dejected after this last loss and wasn’t sure if he’d fight again. While I fully expect him to fight again, I just don’t know when it will be.

[quote]Chewie wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
I still think the Ortiz-Evans winner also moves into title contention.

Please, let it not be Ortiz.
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Ortiz may not be the most talented fighter, but he’s a huge PPV draw, and in the business of making money, that certainly plays a factor in the decision-making process.

Why else would he have gotten a rematch against Liddell after squeaking out a split decision over Griffin and pounding out an over-the-hill Shamrock twice?

I still think Ortiz has the potential to be the top dog in the division again, but I don’t think he’s willing to sacrifice his current lifestyle to get there.

I don’t know what the relationship between him and Page is, but seeing Rampage dribble Tito’s head like a basketball off the canvas would be a big PPV draw.

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
I don’t know what the relationship between him and Page is, but seeing Rampage dribble Tito’s head like a basketball off the canvas would be a big PPV draw.[/quote]

I think Tito’s head is bigger than a basketball…

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
I don’t know what the relationship between him and Page is, but seeing Rampage dribble Tito’s head like a basketball off the canvas would be a big PPV draw.[/quote]

That’s a good question. Both train in Big Bear and have trained together in the past.

Rampage and Henderson are/were also apparently really good friends, though (at least going into their fight). I have no idea how well that friendship survived the fight, but I’d like to think it did. I haven’t heard a word from Henderson (in interviews or anything) since the fight. Has anyone heard any post-fight interviews from him after his fight with Ranmpage?

[quote]Damici wrote:
Rampage and Henderson are/were also apparently really good friends, though (at least going into their fight). I have no idea how well that friendship survived the fight, but I’d like to think it did. I haven’t heard a word from Henderson (in interviews or anything) since the fight. Has anyone heard any post-fight interviews from him after his fight with Ranmpage?[/quote]

His daughter was born the week before the fight, and he stated he wants to spend time with his family and vacation for a few weeks and desired the media to leave him alone. They are still friends and partied together post-fight.

Actually, to add to that, The Fight Network talked to him today and he said he plans to have another LHW fight in the UFC in November or December. He says he does not want to move to 185 despite the UFC’s insistance to do so.

Damn… I hope your not a betting man. To be fair though your predictions are how things Should have gone. Especially liddel jardine.

OMC

[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
Who’s going to be watching tomorrow? I will be, as I’m very excited to see the UFC debut of Shogun.

Here’s my predictions:

Chuck Liddell vs. Keith Jardine
Jardine’s a tailor-made fighter for Liddell to KO. Jardine likes to come straight at his opponents, while Liddell likes to circle, look for angles and counter punch when the opponent moves into position. Both guys are coming off of KO losses and there’s always a question of how guys will bounce back after being KO’d. My feeling is that Liddell shows no ill-effects from the Rampage loss and blows through Jardine.

Prediction: Liddell by 1st round KO.

Mauricio “Shogun” Rua vs. Forrest Griffin
New fans of MMA likely haven’t seen much of “Shogun” and that’s a shame, because this guy is a stud. He can do it all. It’s great to see him in the UFC. Forrest Griffin is certainly no pushover, as evident by his close loss to Tito Ortiz. But he did lose to Jardine and wasn’t overly impressive against Hector Ramirez. Griffin will put up a good fight, but he’s not on the level of “Shogun”.

Prediction: “Shogun” by second round TKO.

Diego Sanchez vs. Jon Fitch
Sanchez suffered his first loss as a professional at the hands of rival Josh Koscheck. There were reports Sanchez had a staph infection going into the fight, which may explain why he wasn’t his usual self that night. He’s also left Greg Jackson’s camp, so it’ll be interesting to see how that affects him. Fitch is on a 13-fight win streak and he’s also from AKA, the same camp as Koscheck, so you know he’s been getting pointers on how to neutralize Sanchez. This could be the fight of the night if both bring their A game.

Prediction: Sanchez by unanimous decision.

Ryoto Machida vs. Kazuhiro Nakamura
Prediction: Machida by unanimous decision.

Jeremy Stephens vs. Diego Saraiva
Prediction: Stephens by 2nd round submission.

Scott Junk vs. Christian Wellisch
Prediction: Wellisch by 1st round TKO.

Matt Wiman vs. Michihiro Omigawa
Prediction: Wiman by 1st round TKO.[/quote]

OMC, I’m definitely not a betting man and even if I were, this would be the last sport I’d put money on. Hardly any fight these days is easy to predict correctly.

Of course, I could just go with the opposite of what I think should happen and I’d be pretty rich.

I really thought Jardine had no shot against Liddell. Boy was I wrong. I did think Griffin had a chance against Shogun, considering the trend of PRIDE to UFC moves that haven’t gone well for other fighters, but I thought Shogun would be able to overcome that with his talent.

I knew Sanchez-Fitch would be close.

One of the guys at my gym going for his pro card recently switched and hired the same nutritionist that BJ Penn used for his comeback. According to my guy, Chuck called the guy the day after the fight and wants to work with BJ’s guy. Should be interesting to see if it makes a difference.

Monopoly

[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
One of the guys at my gym going for his pro card recently switched and hired the same nutritionist that BJ Penn used for his comeback. According to my guy, Chuck called the guy the day after the fight and wants to work with BJ’s guy. Should be interesting to see if it makes a difference.

Monopoly[/quote]

Is the nutrition guy named Tony (Anthony) Aponte?