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[quote]j281 wrote:

LOL, you mean that Hughes pounded him so bad during the second round that it helped him (Hughes) win the fight in the third round?

Why don’t you think about that one a while!

I posted BJ Penn’s medical documents, not sure why you chose to ignore those. [/quote]

I am agreeing with you. We both know that Hughes beat Penn, hurt his rib in what round I have no idea and then proceeded to beat the shit out of him.

This fight is pretty simple I thin we should move on to something else.

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Look back a the top of page 3 bro…you definitely said it :-). But with that yeah let’s drop this.

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[quote]j281 wrote:
No one said that he pounded him in the the second round.

Look back a the top of page 3 bro…you definitely said it :-). But with that yeah let’s drop this. [/quote]

You know what, you’re right. But, I don’t care what round he pounded him in. The fact is Hughes OWNED Penn that night.

Simple.

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[quote]j281 wrote:
First I’ve heard about the ‘injuries’. I think he just gassed, which is his mo.
Goldberg also said that he didn’t do any cardio leading into the fight.

Too bad really that Penn isn’t as hungry as other fighters who do their cardio.

I know his family is wealthy which prob makes it hard to want to get up and do sprints every morning at 5 am.

Here’s a copy of BJ Penn’s medical report to prove his injuries.

http://www.bjpenn.com/images/other/BJ%20Report.pdf

Someone like BJ Penn has enough honor and doesn’t need to lie about his injuries. Also, you have to take into consideration that he took this fight on short notice so he didn’t have as much training time as he would have liked to. Him being from a wealthy background has nothing to do with his motivation. He’s a world champion BJJ practitioner and a former UFC champ…he’s very well motivated.

Cheers.[/quote]

Penn took the fight with Hughes on short notice but he was already training for another fight for months. Penn and Hughes had the same amount of time to train.

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
j281 wrote:
No one said that he pounded him in the the second round.

Look back a the top of page 3 bro…you definitely said it :-). But with that yeah let’s drop this.

You know what, you’re right. But, I don’t care what round he pounded him in. The fact is Hughes OWNED Penn that night.

Simple.[/quote]

Normally i don’t like to fuel a pointless fire. But seriously… WHAT fight were you watching ? yes hughes won and was the better fighter in the end, weather bj gassed due to injuries or what is largely irrelevant. But there is no way “Hughes OWNED Penn” that is just rediculous. Eddie Bravo gave the first two rounds to penn for christ sake and hughes was practically saved by the bell in that second round.

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[quote]TimmyC wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
j281 wrote:
No one said that he pounded him in the the second round.

Look back a the top of page 3 bro…you definitely said it :-). But with that yeah let’s drop this.

You know what, you’re right. But, I don’t care what round he pounded him in. The fact is Hughes OWNED Penn that night.

Simple.

Normally i don’t like to fuel a pointless fire. But seriously… WHAT fight were you watching ? yes hughes won and was the better fighter in the end, weather bj gassed due to injuries or what is largely irrelevant. But there is no way “Hughes OWNED Penn” that is just rediculous. Eddie Bravo gave the first two rounds to penn for christ sake and hughes was practically saved by the bell in that second round.

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For real man, I think Smitty must be banging Matt Hughes or have some kind of man crush. He’s a phenomenal fighter and a true champion, no doubt, but A( he in no way OWNED Penn that fight and most likely would have lost had round two ended twenty seconds later, B) is going to have his hands full with St Pierre–may still beat him but it’s highly unlikely that he is going to dominate him as this guy seems to think

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[quote]TimmyC wrote:

Normally i don’t like to fuel a pointless fire. But seriously… WHAT fight were you watching ?[/quote]

I was watching the fight where Hughes took Penn down in the third round and punched and elbowed him about 40 times straight before McCarthy finally stopped the fight. That would be stopped the five round fight in the third round because Penn was incapable of defending himself.

Right.

Would McCarthy have had to stop the fight in the first or second round for you to say Hughes owned him? Would Hughes have to had given Penn 41 unanswered punches and elbows (instead of the 40 he did give him) before you would admit that Penn was owned?

Oh, and this is how you spell “ridiculous.” No charge for the help on your spelling.

[quote] hughes was practically saved by the bell in that second round.
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Take another look at the fight there junior. Hughes was out of danger before the end of that round. In fact, if the round had been longer Huhges may have finished Penn then. Penn put everything he had into that move and it didn’t work. I think at that point he was beaten mentally and perhaps physically exhausted as well.

Your fight analysis is no better than that lame tatoo you have under your arm. Now go back to class, study up and come back with some intelligent comments…and better spelling.

:wink:

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

For real man, I think Smitty must be banging Matt Hughes or have some kind of man crush.[/quote]

Yea, that’s it, you very, very stupid person.

The wish of all Penn fans. LOL. How do you know that Hughes, who had gotten out of the hold (do you look before you type?) might have finished Penn had the round continued.

He tapped out GSP in the first round during the first fight that they had. I wonder in your make believe world is that “owning” someone?

Naw…probably not, after all Hughes didn’t make GSP’s heart stop or anything. He didn’t maim him for life.

What makes you think that GSP will give him a hard time? Is it because GSP went five hard rounds with Hughes and lost a close decision? No that’s not it…You dip shit.

And after he dominates him what will you say on this board? More stupid shit like you are saying now?

People like you need to just read the threads and try really, really hard not to comment.

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
TimmyC wrote:

Normally i don’t like to fuel a pointless fire. But seriously… WHAT fight were you watching ?

I was watching the fight where Hughes took Penn down in the third round and punched and elbowed him about 40 times straight before McCarthy finally stopped the fight. That would be stopped the five round fight in the third round because Penn was incapable of defending himself.

yes hughes won and was the better fighter in the end, weather bj gassed due to injuries or what is largely irrelevant.

Right.

But there is no way “Hughes OWNED Penn” that is just rediculous.

Would McCarthy have had to stop the fight in the first or second round for you to say Hughes owned him? Would Hughes have to had given Penn 41 unanswered punches and elbows (instead of the 40 he did give him) before you would admit that Penn was owned?

Oh, and this is how you spell “ridiculous.” No charge for the help on your spelling.

hughes was practically saved by the bell in that second round.

Take another look at the fight there junior. Hughes was out of danger before the end of that round. In fact, if the round had been longer Huhges may have finished Penn then. Penn put everything he had into that move and it didn’t work. I think at that point he was beaten mentally and perhaps physically exhausted as well.

Your fight analysis is no better than that lame tatoo you have under your arm. Now go back to class, study up and come back with some intelligent comments…and better spelling.

:wink:

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haha, i can see your one of those guys who has to have the last word so ill post this last comment and let you have it.

We could debate all day about our OPINIONS of the fight and our OPINIONS of the definition of the slang term “owned” and we would get nowhere.

The only thing that makes much difference is the facts and the FACTS are that penn WON the first two rounds. Thats 2 out of 3 rounds just so we are clear. Now according (not sure of spelling but you can correct it for me since it seems important to you) to my understanding that doesn’t equate to being “owned”

P.S im a massive hughes fan just not a blind one.

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I really can’t fucking stand Syliva. He talks WAY too much shit for being the champion of the weakest division in major league MMA.

I completely agree. If Sylvia fought in PRIDE he would not even sniff the championship belt.

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[quote]TimmyC wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
TimmyC wrote:

Normally i don’t like to fuel a pointless fire. But seriously… WHAT fight were you watching ?

I was watching the fight where Hughes took Penn down in the third round and punched and elbowed him about 40 times straight before McCarthy finally stopped the fight. That would be stopped the five round fight in the third round because Penn was incapable of defending himself.

yes hughes won and was the better fighter in the end, weather bj gassed due to injuries or what is largely irrelevant.

Right.

But there is no way “Hughes OWNED Penn” that is just rediculous.

Would McCarthy have had to stop the fight in the first or second round for you to say Hughes owned him? Would Hughes have to had given Penn 41 unanswered punches and elbows (instead of the 40 he did give him) before you would admit that Penn was owned?

Oh, and this is how you spell “ridiculous.” No charge for the help on your spelling.

hughes was practically saved by the bell in that second round.

Take another look at the fight there junior. Hughes was out of danger before the end of that round. In fact, if the round had been longer Huhges may have finished Penn then. Penn put everything he had into that move and it didn’t work. I think at that point he was beaten mentally and perhaps physically exhausted as well.

Your fight analysis is no better than that lame tatoo you have under your arm. Now go back to class, study up and come back with some intelligent comments…and better spelling.

:wink:

haha, i can see your one of those guys who has to have the last word so ill post this last comment and let you have it.

We could debate all day about our OPINIONS of the fight and our OPINIONS of the definition of the slang term “owned” and we would get nowhere.

The only thing that makes much difference is the facts and the FACTS are that penn WON the first two rounds. Thats 2 out of 3 rounds just so we are clear. Now according (not sure of spelling but you can correct it for me since it seems important to you) to my understanding that doesn’t equate to being “owned”

P.S im a massive hughes fan just not a blind one.[/quote]

Maybe when you get a little older your judgement will imporve.

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
storey420 wrote:

For real man, I think Smitty must be banging Matt Hughes or have some kind of man crush.

Yea, that’s it, you very, very stupid person.

and most likely would have lost had round two ended twenty seconds later,

The wish of all Penn fans. LOL. How do you know that Hughes, who had gotten out of the hold (do you look before you type?) might have finished Penn had the round continued.

MaB) is going to have his hands full with St Pierre–may still beat him but it’s highly unlikely that he is going to dominate him as this guy seems to think

He tapped out GSP in the first round during the first fight that they had. I wonder in your make believe world is that “owning” someone?

Naw…probably not, after all Hughes didn’t make GSP’s heart stop or anything. He didn’t maim him for life.

What makes you think that GSP will give him a hard time? Is it because GSP went five hard rounds with Hughes and lost a close decision? No that’s not it…You dip shit.

And after he dominates him what will you say on this board? More stupid shit like you are saying now?

People like you need to just read the threads and try really, really hard not to comment.

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Hmmm…I’ll try and make this clear since it is abundantly clear that you don’t train MMA at all. Yes Hughes beat GSP soundly in their last outing, very nice arm bar. However GSP has more experience under his belt and you can tell when you look at his training style and regimen that he wants to be a winner.

He will have undoubtedly analyzed that fight and Hughes a thousand times. He is a competent fighter and was bested by Hughes in their last facing. He very well may get beat again, as I already stated. Doesn’t change anything.

Even if GSP submits Hughes in the first round it doesn’t make Hughes any less of a fighter, he just didn’t have it that day. I know you don’t get this concept due to your overwhelming man crush and fact that you don’t train but whatever I’ll be rooting for a good fight that night and not my superhero.

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

Hmmm…I’ll try and make this clear since it is abundantly clear that you don’t train MMA at all.[/quote]

I was a collegiate division I wrestler. And I have also studied BJJ. But then again you wouldn’t have to have done either of the two to see that Hughes did a great job by taking out Penn in the third round, and GSP in the first.

Oh, I get it now, thanks for clearing that up. All anyone has to do to be a champion is WANT to win.

You clueless child.

Here’s a clue for you, GSP relies on his strength a great deal, in addition to his great skill, to win. Have you watched his fights? He tends to over power many of his opponents. He is a big strong Welterweight. With Huhges he can’t do that. And that’s the main reason that if you looked closely at his face after the Hughes victory over Penn he looked like he just bit into an ass sandwich.

GSP DID NOT want to fight Hughes again for the title. He wanted to fight Penn as his (GSP’s) strength plays well with Penn, and not at all that well with Hughes.

Who wins a fight at this level is largely a matter of styles and strengths. But I wouldn’t expect you to look beyond the obvious and actually try to understand the more subtle factors.

Yes, GSP will be hard at work reviewing fight films. Analyzing moves, training like a mad man. And of course Hughes will probably be kicking back on the sofa throwing down chilli dogs and puffing on a cuban cigar just waiting for his chance at GSP again.

You’re understanding of mma is laughable.

That gay thing is always right there in the back of your mind. A good Psychologist would call that “projecting.” Rather than explain it to you, I’ll let you google it.

Your homosexual fixation might be able to be cured. But, your lack of ability to analyze mma fighting is truly hopeless.

Now please do as I requested and read the posts instead of trying to participate.

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:

GSP DID NOT want to fight Hughes again for the title. He wanted to fight Penn as his (GSP’s) strength plays well with Penn, and not at all that well with Hughes.
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Then why did he get on his knees in the octagon and beg the UFC, the fans etc. to fight Hughes again?

What you’re saying is speculation. You don’t know what GSP is thinking, sure you can guess but that’s all it is, a guess. I’m “guessing” GSP want’s very much to avenge his loss against Hughes.

Anyways, I think this is going to be a great fight. I know I’ll be super pumped before this fight starts.

As for strengths and weaknesses:

Physical attributes: I could have split this into strength, endurance, durability, speed etc. etc. However, I didn’t as I honestly feel that they are so close physically I don’t see this being the critical determination of the fight.

Mentally: I give Hughes the slight edge here. If GSP is going to lose, this is where I see it happening. Or rather the main catalyst.

Skills:

Stand up: GSP by a mile.

Submissions: Hughes…by a mile. Hughes has more subs and from higher quality opponents. Submission defence: Roughly equal.

GNP: GSP, killer elbows. Hughes is no slouch here though.

Takedowns: Hughes…unless BJ is concerned Hughes failed multiple shots on BJ. GSP took BJ down multiple times. …GSP? :wink:

Takedown defence: Has anyone ever tried to take Hughes down? :wink:

Experience: No brainer here…Hughes.

Game plan: Both usually have great game plans.

So on paper…by my criteria, I’m giving Hughes the slight edge. But come fight time I’m picking GSP. :slight_smile:

Would love to hear others analysis of this fight. :slight_smile:

AC

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[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:

GSP DID NOT want to fight Hughes again for the title. He wanted to fight Penn as his (GSP’s) strength plays well with Penn, and not at all that well with Hughes.

Then why did he get on his knees in the octagon and beg the UFC, the fans etc. to fight Hughes again?[/quote]

Gee, I don’t know. I’m sure it has nothing to do with showmanship and fight promotion.

Don’t look now, but what all of us are saying is speculation. Duh.

Yea, it will be a good fight no matter.

[quote]As for strengths and weaknesses:

Physical attributes: I could have split this into strength, endurance, durability, speed etc. etc. However, I didn’t as I honestly feel that they are so close physically I don’t see this being the critical determination of the fight.

Mentally: I give Hughes the slight edge here. If GSP is going to lose, this is where I see it happening. Or rather the main catalyst.

Skills:

Stand up: GSP by a mile.

Submissions: Hughes…by a mile. Hughes has more subs and from higher quality opponents. Submission defence: Roughly equal.

GNP: GSP, killer elbows. Hughes is no slouch here though.

Takedowns: Hughes…unless BJ is concerned Hughes failed multiple shots on BJ. GSP took BJ down multiple times. …GSP? :wink:

Takedown defence: Has anyone ever tried to take Hughes down? :wink:

Experience: No brainer here…Hughes.

Game plan: Both usually have great game plans.

So on paper…by my criteria, I’m giving Hughes the slight edge. But come fight time I’m picking GSP. :slight_smile:

Would love to hear others analysis of this fight. :slight_smile:

AC[/quote]

That was a reasonably good analysis. But, I don’t think you’re placing enough importance in the experience department.

Hughes has roughly three times more fights than GSP. And he has lost only one match (and just avenged that loss) since 2001. On top of that he has almost three times more fights than GSP. And of course many more big fights in the Octagon.

I think GSP is a very good fighter. But he will lose to Huhges. it’s just a matter of picking the round as it won’t go the distance.

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:

Don’t look now, but what all of us are saying is speculation. Duh.[/quote]

Heh…that was my point. Duh. :wink:

More Speculation: GSP wants to fight Hughes bad. Sports premotion/showmanship or not.

As for the experience difference, you’re right it is a big part. But I felt that I had broken that down in the other aspects I covered. Hughes experience is what gives him the mental edge and the better submissions etc.

Care to do your own analysis?

Anyone?

Sylvia vs Monson…should be a fun one to speculate on. I’ll let someone have the first go…that is until I back on the net in a few hours. :slight_smile:

AC

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[quote]Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:

GSP DID NOT want to fight Hughes again for the title. He wanted to fight Penn as his (GSP’s) strength plays well with Penn, and not at all that well with Hughes.

Then why did he get on his knees in the octagon and beg the UFC, the fans etc. to fight Hughes again?

Gee, I don’t know. I’m sure it has nothing to do with showmanship and fight promotion.

What you’re saying is speculation. You don’t know what GSP is thinking, sure you can guess but that’s all it is, a guess. I’m “guessing” GSP want’s very much to avenge his loss against Hughes.

Don’t look now, but what all of us are saying is speculation. Duh.

Anyways, I think this is going to be a great fight. I know I’ll be super pumped before this fight starts.

Yea, it will be a good fight no matter.

As for strengths and weaknesses:

Physical attributes: I could have split this into strength, endurance, durability, speed etc. etc. However, I didn’t as I honestly feel that they are so close physically I don’t see this being the critical determination of the fight.

Mentally: I give Hughes the slight edge here. If GSP is going to lose, this is where I see it happening. Or rather the main catalyst.

Skills:

Stand up: GSP by a mile.

Submissions: Hughes…by a mile. Hughes has more subs and from higher quality opponents. Submission defence: Roughly equal.

GNP: GSP, killer elbows. Hughes is no slouch here though.

Takedowns: Hughes…unless BJ is concerned Hughes failed multiple shots on BJ. GSP took BJ down multiple times. …GSP? :wink:

Takedown defence: Has anyone ever tried to take Hughes down? :wink:

Experience: No brainer here…Hughes.

Game plan: Both usually have great game plans.

So on paper…by my criteria, I’m giving Hughes the slight edge. But come fight time I’m picking GSP. :slight_smile:

Would love to hear others analysis of this fight. :slight_smile:

AC

That was a reasonably good analysis. But, I don’t think you’re placing enough importance in the experience department.

Hughes has roughly three times more fights than GSP. And he has lost only one match (and just avenged that loss) since 2001. On top of that he has almost three times more fights than GSP. And of course many more big fights in the Octagon.

I think GSP is a very good fighter. But he will lose to Huhges. it’s just a matter of picking the round as it won’t go the distance.

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I think Hughes is a very good fighter. But he will lose to GSP. it’s just a matter of picking the round as it won’t go the distance. My version.

Course I’m just speculating so I don’t need to support my claim with a long winded point by point display of what I know that you don’t know or that my speculation is much more educated…just cuz.

I’m cheering for GSP!

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I was fairly indifferent to the outcome as I was only interested in seeing a good fight, but this thread makes me want GSP to smash all over Hughes’ frickin head. St. Pierre by decapitation.

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[quote]ArcaneCocaine wrote:
Smitty88 wrote:
ArcaneCocaine wrote:

Don’t look now, but what all of us are saying is speculation. Duh.

Heh…that was my point. Duh. :wink:

More Speculation: GSP wants to fight Hughes bad. Sports premotion/showmanship or not.[/quote]

Let me correct you: He SAYS he wants to fight Hughes BAD. Maybe he really does, maybe not.

[quote]As for the experience difference, you’re right it is a big part. But I felt that I had broken that down in the other aspects I covered. Hughes experience is what gives him the mental edge and the better submissions etc.

Care to do your own analysis?

Anyone?

Sylvia vs Monson…should be a fun one to speculate on. I’ll let someone have the first go…that is until I back on the net in a few hours. :slight_smile:

AC

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Monson should win, but it won’t be the cake walk that many think. Sylvia has an incredible reach and Monson could easily walk into a devastating punch. And once on the ground Monson is at an extreme disadvantage because of height arm length etc.

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Actually when they’re on the ground the opposite will happen. Sylvia has no real jiu jitsu training while Monson is an ADCC veteran and a world champion jiu jitsu practitioner. Monson will dominate on the ground I can guarantee you that, height or size won’t make a difference when you’re on the mat wiht him.