[quote]Mr90210 wrote:
"Unless there is a stoppage (and some of those are pretty suspect at times) - I think the judging criteria is:
Who Dana White wants to win
Who Dana White wants to lose. "
The UFC don’t appoint the judges. The athletic commission do. There is some bad judging but that is because of the judges not Dana. If Dana could really have the judges do his bidding do you think Sylvia would be champ? [/quote]
While I don’t think Dana is some dark evil puppet master of all MMA, the commissions are corrupt as all hell and fudging some scores isn’t beyond them. And honestly, Sylvia is the best choice for current champion. Otherwise, it would be a guy who couldn’t speak any english, or a guy that praises anarchy and calls for the assassination of our president. From a marketing standpoint, Sylvia is their best option.
And, it was plain as day obvious that he won his last two fights.
[quote]TWalton wrote:
How about this: GSP vs Anderson Silva? That would be quite a battle, despite the weight difference. Or, GSP vs Chuck. That, too, would be quite a fight, despite the weight difference. [/quote]
[quote]Mr90210 wrote:
"Unless there is a stoppage (and some of those are pretty suspect at times) - I think the judging criteria is:
Who Dana White wants to win
Who Dana White wants to lose. "
The UFC don’t appoint the judges. The athletic commission do. There is some bad judging but that is because of the judges not Dana. If Dana could really have the judges do his bidding do you think Sylvia would be champ? [/quote]
So then the sport of boxing is all on the up and up? I mean the state commissions are the ones appointing judges.
UFC is corrupt. Dana White is the face. He makes a point of getting his ugly-assed over weight mug in front of the camera every chance he gets.
Sylvia is champ because he knocks people out, and creates a reaction from the crowd. Having a hated champion sells just as many tickets as having a well liked one.
The UFC picks and chooses it’s contestants and the outcomes. Just look at the TUF$ final between Serra and Lytle. Serra did nothing to win that fight, yet he’s the one getting a title shot. Lytle should be fighting for the belt, but White wanted Serra.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
W8 LOGIC wrote:
How do u guys feel about Frank Mir? He got his ass handed to him again Sat night. He just hasnt been the same after his bike accident.
I was wondering about him as well. The question is:
Is he not improving at all?
or
How good is Brandon Vera? Since Vera hasn’t lost yet it’s difficult to gauge his abilities?
I guess we’ll find out about Mir if Zuffa allows him to fight again and how well Vera does against Tim “I wear me belt to bed at night” Sylvia.
While I do think mir’s best days are behind him(a little sad considering he is only 26,) Vera was a very bad matchup problem for him and this fight had knockout written all over it.
I do not know how Vera would match up with Sylvia since Vera is one of the smallest(weight wise) heavyweights and Sylvia is one of the biggest. Add in the fact that Vera is pretty young and hasn’t faced a dominate striker yet, and you have the mix for Vera either getting exposed as a hyped fighter or the future of the division. I guess I answered a whole lot of nothing with that post, but in truth, nothing is definitive until he and Sylvia strap it up and throw down.[/quote]
Well at least I’m not alone in being unsure if Vera is good or just faced poor opponents.
As for a Vera Sylvia match-up, I think the fight will be quick…just not sure for who.
My reasoning is that Vera is aggressive and will likely bring an offense. Vera’s strikes seem to be quick and accurate so he could land some good shots, however…
Big Timmy is a classic counter-puncher so as Vera comes in, Tim will try to KO him.
If Vera can’t win, there’s always Sylvia v. Arlovski 4 … and 5,6,7,8,9,…
GSP, WoW!! ON that night no one could beat him , Conditioning incredible, strength was dominating and the game plan was perfect.
Some great posts and then …
Now what is up with the I use to be good BJ Penn ,
I never have seen so much crap about a fighter yet, let me get this right GSP eye poke excuses , matt hughes stikes to groin area and balls excuses , Bj Penn not in shape, ribs hurt and oh and the best one of all the judges are fixed and dont know what the hell they are doing,those are reasons Yep I see the difference…
You know from what i can see I think BJ Penn doesnt fly to his fights, he actually walks across water from Hawaii!!
Even when they raise someone elses hand,NOPE BJ WON
Only fighter I have ever seen get the every reason defense for anything he does.
Let me use the BJ defense for Franklin , um if he was stonger , if he wouldnt have clinched, if he was a better striker, if he was in better shape , if he had a better game plan ,oh and the best BJ defense for Franklin — if his nose wasn’t on the other side of his face he could have gotten his breath back and won!! Holy Moly Why dont you just declare Bj the champion for every class for life. Because from wha ti read No body can beat him IF…
Just face it, he should drop down and dominate the 155 class… if…
How about some stiff hard truth for BJ. stop the bullshit, give the fans what they expect, stop living off your past and create a damn future
Oh and I love the Dana White was the second shooter on the Grassy Knoll thing./falls out of the chair laughing!
[quote]solarflame wrote:
brand wrote:
SWR-1240 wrote:
Matt was given “as much time as needed” to recover from the ‘kicks’ in the balls.
If he wasn’t fully recovered from them at any time during the rest of the fight, it’s only his fault for not taking enough time. He did look fully recovered from them when he started fighting again though.
Take it easy, I was only giving the guy a hard time for saying GSP got beat to hell by BJ only because he was poked in the eye. That’s an excuse on par with the GSP double assault on Hughes’ testes. I won’t use an injury that occurred during the match as an excuse for a loss, that’s weak. Bottom line is Hughes seemed to want to stand and strike, and that was a mistake.
George didn’t lose to BJ. In fact he fought through it(eye poke)and came out on top literally enough times to win it.
What part of that describes weakness or excuse making? Me saying what I said? So what. Guess you got me. I’m weak.
Meanwhile BJ is trying to find a weight class he can win in. I wonder what the excuses…I mean reasons are for that descision.
And speaking about weakness, where is Smitty88. Awfully silent ain’t it?
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I think you misunderstood me in part. I said saying a fighter got beat because of an injury incurred during the fight is weak. Meaning it is a weak excuse. I certainly wouldn’t call you weak. I don’t even know you. I apologize if you took it that way. I said the same thing about the Penn/Hughes fight, and I like BJ better as a fighter.
I think BJ is a more natural lightweight. He certainly doesn’t have to move down because he can’t win. He put a beating on GSP in the first round of their fight and lost a close split decision. BJ didn’t even look like he was in a fight after that one. He also beat the crap out of Hughes for 2 rounds before he gassed, or, wait for it…hurt his ribs.
GSP is a great fighter. Hughes is a great fighter. BJ is a great fighter. Any one of them could come out on top on a given night. I will stand by my statement that if BJ shows up motivated and in great shape that’s who I’m putting my money on. If he doesn’t move down we might see that next year.
I think you misunderstood me in part. I said saying a fighter got beat because of an injury incurred during the fight is weak. Meaning it is a weak excuse. I certainly wouldn’t call you weak. I don’t even know you. I apologize if you took it that way. I said the same thing about the Penn/Hughes fight, and I like BJ better as a fighter.
I think BJ is a more natural lightweight. He certainly doesn’t have to move down because he can’t win. He put a beating on GSP in the first round of their fight and lost a close split decision. BJ didn’t even look like he was in a fight after that one. He also beat the crap out of Hughes for 2 rounds before he gassed, or, wait for it…hurt his ribs.
GSP is a great fighter. Hughes is a great fighter. BJ is a great fighter. Any one of them could come out on top on a given night.
I will stand by my statement that if BJ shows up motivated and in great shape that’s who I’m putting my money on. If he doesn’t move down we might see that next year. [/quote]
I hear what you are saying. I just think there is a point where an injury becomes a reason why the fighter had the performance he did.
In GSP’s fight with BJ I think it enabled him to get hit more and miss with his strikes. Regardless of what I might think though a rematch between them would sure clear the air and it seems the only way to find out.
Sometimes I just have to accept that my fighter lost. Franklin’s last fight with Silva. Sucks cause I get pretty attached to my fighters.
After watching Georges dismantle Hughes the way he did I would bet on GSP beating BJ.
I know BJ is a great fighter. George made me a believer however and I think BJ is the one that should prove us nay sayers wrong. Afer all, George is the champ now.
I would say that GSP and BJ are the top 2 in the 170lb. class. Hughes is 3. Matt needs to train with CroCop and actually learn how to kick. And then train with Liddell and learn to be a much more effective striker. He looked so weak againt GSP. He needs to dump the Militech camp and look at his training with a fresh and different perspective. That is the only legit way he would be able to get his belt back.
I know BJ is a great fighter. George made me a believer however and I think BJ is the one that should prove us nay sayers wrong. Afer all, George is the champ now.
So do you think that TUF 6 is going to be an all heavyweight season? They’ve got to find some talent for the heavyweight division because Sylvia, despite being a good fighter, is one boring champion.
I hear what you are saying. I just think there is a point where an injury becomes a reason why the fighter had the performance he did.
In GSP’s fight with BJ I think it enabled him to get hit more and miss with his strikes. Regardless of what I might think though a rematch between them would sure clear the air and it seems the only way to find out.
Sometimes I just have to accept that my fighter lost. Franklin’s last fight with Silva. Sucks cause I get pretty attached to my fighters.
After watching Georges dismantle Hughes the way he did I would bet on GSP beating BJ.
I know BJ is a great fighter. George made me a believer however and I think BJ is the one that should prove us nay sayers wrong. Afer all, George is the champ now.
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I agree, it probably played a part. George is certainly the most well rounded fighter when it comes to standup, ground, and conditioning. Can you imagine, though, what BJ would be like with a guy like Tito Ortiz helping him get conditioned for a fight?
GSP is going to destroy Matt Serra. A match against Diego Sanchez wouldn’t be bad, though, and then a third and final fight against Hughes, possibly leading to Hughes’ retirement?[/quote]
Serra is a very charasmatic person, and I believe he will have a fighters chance at GSP. Also, I doubt Hughes will retire anytime within the next 5 years, at least I hope not.
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I agree, it probably played a part. George is certainly the most well rounded fighter when it comes to standup, ground, and conditioning. Can you imagine, though, what BJ would be like with a guy like Tito Ortiz helping him get conditioned for a fight?[/quote]
Tito Ortiz seems to be a better coach than a fighter. During TUF 3, I could not believe how dedicated he was to the fighters and how much each one improved.
GSP is going to destroy Matt Serra. A match against Diego Sanchez wouldn’t be bad, though, and then a third and final fight against Hughes, possibly leading to Hughes’ retirement?
Serra is a very charasmatic person, and I believe he will have a fighters chance at GSP. Also, I doubt Hughes will retire anytime within the next 5 years, at least I hope not.[/quote]
I like Serra, but the 2% chance he had of taking the belt away from Hughes became a .0000001% chance of beating GSP…no way in hell. Hopefully I won’t be eating my words like Smitty, but I just don’t see anyway Serra could beat GSP.
I think Lutter has a better shot against Silva, especially since he is definitely going to try to take him to the ground rather than trying to stand and bang with him…and I think Lutter would tool marquardt, swick, and leben as well.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Hell - Serra lost to Lytle in the finals. He has no chance in hell of wearing a belt. [/quote]
haha, I got ya RJ, I thought Lytle should’ve taken that fight as well. It was a fairly hard fight to judge though as there wasn’t much going on either way. I don’t know how the judges were throwing out 30-27 scorings either.
GSP is way too dynamic for serra. I saw somewhere that diego and riggs are set to fight on the next spike fight. Anyone think thats diegos pre-title match? Or does hughes automatic rematch clause (if exists) mean he gets the first shot at it?