Here’s a couple of vids showing Edgar’s training. Dude has some impressive strength endurance for a guy who’s priority is fighting not lifting-
butt off the bench and then half chin ups with kicking/kipping… meeeh
also lame fight… Penn looked sorry, I hate the Diaz brothers and maynard is so boring. Lay n pray all day long… weak card i thought
[quote]gregron wrote:
butt off the bench and then half chin ups with kicking/kipping… meeeh[/quote]
Someone once said, “never post a training video on the Internet.” And of course people like you are the reason why. That was not a “how to” video on technique. Even at that his form was darn good all things considered. Here’s an idea; why don’t you load up a bar equal to your body weight see how many times you can bench with your ass off the bench on every rep.
When you’re done immediately go to a chin-up bar and try to kick and kip your way to half as many reps as Edgar did. And make sure you post a video of yourself doing these two things so that other people can post stupid comments about your effort.
From the bottom of my heart I will never understand some people - It has to be either shear stupidity, or they’ve never trained hard a day in their lives.
100 dips in 3:00 - while he’s preparing for a fight! - is fantastic.
The dip form was great.
the bench / chin superset was also nice.
The only thing I don’t like about the video is that it will encourage too many guys who have no business doing it, to try the dip challenge.
You know, guys who are to big, too fat, too ungifted, too unsupplemented etc to do this.
I short, most guys.
I agree with Zeb here in so far that it’s always great when a pro athlete shares videos.
Also, “form” is a complex subject: what works for bodybuilding and strength sport doesn’t necessarily work for a martial artist.
Kipping is fine for a MA seeking to improve strength-endurance.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
100 dips in 3:00 - while he’s preparing for a fight! - is fantastic.
The dip form was great.
the bench / chin superset was also nice.
The only thing I don’t like about the video is that it will encourage too many guys who have no business doing it, to try the dip challenge.
You know, guys who are to big, too fat, too ungifted, too unsupplemented etc to do this.
I short, most guys.
I agree with Zeb here in so far that it’s always great when a pro athlete shares videos.
Also, “form” is a complex subject: what works for bodybuilding and strength sport doesn’t necessarily work for a martial artist.
Kipping is fine for a MA seeking to improve strength-endurance.
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The 100 dips in 3:00 was incredible. But I honestly think performing those chins after benching his body weight that many times was even more incredible.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
butt off the bench and then half chin ups with kicking/kipping… meeeh[/quote]
Someone once said, “never post a training video on the Internet.” And of course people like you are the reason why. That was not a “how to” video on technique. Even at that his form was darn good all things considered. Here’s an idea; why don’t you load up a bar equal to your body weight see how many times you can bench with your ass off the bench on every rep.
When you’re done immediately go to a chin-up bar and try to kick and kip your way to half as many reps as Edgar did. And make sure you post a video of yourself doing these two things so that other people can post stupid comments about your effort.
From the bottom of my heart I will never understand some people - It has to be either shear stupidity, or they’ve never trained hard a day in their lives.
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[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
100 dips in 3:00 - while he’s preparing for a fight! - is fantastic.
The dip form was great.
the bench / chin superset was also nice.
The only thing I don’t like about the video is that it will encourage too many guys who have no business doing it, to try the dip challenge.
You know, guys who are to big, too fat, too ungifted, too unsupplemented etc to do this.
I short, most guys.
I agree with Zeb here in so far that it’s always great when a pro athlete shares videos.
Also, “form” is a complex subject: what works for bodybuilding and strength sport doesn’t necessarily work for a martial artist.
Kipping is fine for a MA seeking to improve strength-endurance.
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The 100 dips in 3:00 was incredible. But I honestly think performing those chins after benching his body weight that many times was even more incredible.
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Yeah his form on the bench/chin combo was a little suspect, but who cares? That dude is fucking strong. The most impressive thing to me was the 50 consecutive dips NOT to failure. They guy’s a machine.
Yeah the dips were legit. I’m not denying that… and Zeb why would I want to do shitty form reps just to see if I could match someone else who did shitty reps? Thats not how I lift… sorry. Also, I don’t care about “all things considered” when it comes to an internet video. I never said Edgar wasnt strong but I did say that those 30 reps werent 30 reps and his pullups were all half pullups. thats all. I’m sure if he did legit reps on both exercises that he would still put up a good number but obviously not what he did in that video
I also agree that kipping is ok for MMA because of the type of strength you’re trying to build but thats the same reason why I dont think crossfit kipping pullups are very impressive.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Yeah his form on the bench/chin combo was a little suspect, but who cares? [/quote]
I guess I was the only who lol
That is some serious relative strength right there, shitty reps or not. Today I found out that Frankie Edgar stronger than me despite me outweighing him by 20 pounds.
I guess it’s true that he doesn’t cut weight, they had just under 155 loaded on the bar. I wonder if he’ll put some weight on against Maynard.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Yeah the dips were legit. I’m not denying that… and Zeb why would I want to do shitty form reps just to see if I could match someone else who did shitty reps? Thats not how I lift… sorry. Also, I don’t care about “all things considered” when it comes to an internet video. I never said Edgar wasnt strong but I did say that those 30 reps werent 30 reps and his pullups were all half pullups. thats all. I’m sure if he did legit reps on both exercises that he would still put up a good number but obviously not what he did in that video
I also agree that kipping is ok for MMA because of the type of strength you’re trying to build but thats the same reason why I dont think crossfit kipping pullups are very impressive.
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I’m not going to let this one go, nope.
What you’re saying is regardless of circumstances you expect perfect reps. Got it. Tell me when a runner is finishing a marathon in world record time do you expect his running form to be perfect? How about a fighter throwing a punch in the later rounds of an exhausting title fight? Do you complain like a girl scout who ran out of cookies when the punch isn’t thrown with absolute perfect form?
Tell me Professor Form, did you notice that Edgar’s feet were on the bench instead of planted on the floor? And do you know that it’s more difficult to do bench reps with your feet on the bench rather than on the floor? Tell me why didn’t you give him kudos for that? Did you also notice that he went immediately to the Chin-up bar after his bench reps? And did you notice that he grabbed the bar in close grip fashion which makes Chin-ups much harder focusing most of the work on the biceps instead of spreading it evenly with the lats. Did you notice that? Edgar was rocking at record pace in his little demonstration. There are few men on the planet who can match what he did in the exact form that he used. Giving him a little grace for his exemplary performance is what you should have done. Instead you are coming off as inexperienced.
In addition,
anyone who has ever trained hard for any length of time knows that depending on the circumstances reps are sometimes less than perfect. For example, reps will sometimes break down when you’re doing a personal best. You might knock out those last one or two in sloppy fashion. You do this for many reasons. For an emotional boost. To get them in, to achieve. To build muscle. When you get back into the gym another time those last one or two start to look better. You have the confidence to do them because, while sloppy, you still did them last week, or the week before. They even have a name for them, they’re called “Cheat reps.” They’ve been used for decades by trainees who train hard and know what they’re doing.
You really need to take a step back and reassess how hard you’re going in the gym if you think that every rep always has to be perfect I suspect as I stated abouve you are still inexperienced and have never really trained hard enough. Now, get busy and fulfill my request. Bench your weight with your feet on the bench and then go do some Chin-ups and post it. You can be as sloppy as Edgar no problem.
Hmmm, I guess I must be familiar with a different definition of “relative strength” than Edgar’s coach.
My understanding was that it had to do with how much weight you could lift in relation to your bodyweight (basically how all Olympic lifting competitions are scored), not how many times you could lift your own bodyweight consecutively. I always thought of that as strength endurance, which obviously Edgar has a ton of.
I know I’m just nitpicking. 
Impressive feats, no matter what you want to call them, on Edgar’s part. No wonder he can keep up that pace for a full 5 rounds.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You really need to take a step back and reassess how hard you’re going in the gym if you think that every rep always has to be perfect I suspect as I stated abouve you are still inexperienced and have never really trained hard enough. Now, get busy and fulfill my request. Bench your weight with your feet on the bench and then go do some Chin-ups and post it. You can be as sloppy as Edgar no problem. [/quote]
LOL at most of your rant. Trying to put words in my mouth that I never said and using classic straw man tactics. I would like to address this last part here because I dont have time to address the rest. I never said that I “think every rep always has to be perfect” but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth. I might like at least the first rep to be perfect (unlike his chin ups)
You have no idea the training I’ve done/had.
Once again: Why would I want to degrade my technique and be “as sloppy as edgar” for the sake of posting a video for some random person on the internet? I dont lift or workout for the sake of putting up numbers with suspect technique/form. Sorry bud.
I dont know why you feel like you cant let this go. You must be Edgars personal assistant or internet form body guard. I dont know why you care so much about what a random stranger on the internet thinks about another random strangers form? but hey its the internet
I have no interest in arguing on the internet about this because I have a life and more important things to do. So after you read this and get all riled up with some passionate response to try to put me in a corner with your round about scenarios just remember that I dont give a shit what you think just like you shouldnt care what I think… But you obviously do. Sorry that you dont have thick enough skin and my one little comment got to you so bad and ruined your day.
[quote]gregron wrote:
ZEB wrote:
You really need to take a step back and reassess how hard you’re going in the gym if you think that every rep always has to be perfect I suspect as I stated abouve you are still inexperienced and have never really trained hard enough. Now, get busy and fulfill my request. Bench your weight with your feet on the bench and then go do some Chin-ups and post it. You can be as sloppy as Edgar no problem.
LOL at most of your rant. [/quote]
That’s pretty much what the rest of us who actually train are thinking about your inane comments.
Then maybe you should blame yourself for being a poor communicator. This is what you said in your original post:
Looks like you were attacking his performance, not any particular rep, but all of them. You also said other things which proved you to be a know nothing:
But there was so much wrong with your first line that I didn’t have the opportunity to get to the other. Glad I brought it up now.
True, but when you talk like a kid, I’ll treat you like one. Am I wrong? Are you a seasoned training veteran? If so then your comments are even more out of line, you should know better. Judging by the rest of your post however I’ll stick with my original assertion, you’re a kid who has no clue.
My initial challenge was there so that you could see how difficult it would be to duplicate Edgar’s performance, (you can’t figure that out?) I understand if you don’t want to attempt it. There are all sorts of people on the Internet (mostly stupid kids) who would post nonsensical comments about it (like you did). In addition to that, it’s much easier to criticize when you don’t have to do it yourself. Got it!
Only because I’m sick of punks like you posting random dribble about topics you know nothing about - That about sums it up. Now that you know do you feel better?
Yet you had time to do a drive by posting of Edgar’s performance. So in essence what you’re saying is that you’d like to be able to say anything you’d like and not be called out on it.
Not true junior, you do care because you posted this response. Once again, you just want to be able to rant endlessly about something you know nothing about and not be called out on it.
Ha, you didn’t ruin my life kid. But I seem to have gotten to you. I guess the next time you jump into an area you know nothing about you might consider shutting your mouth. Thats’ not hard to do, you don’t even need flawless technique to do it. Just stop typing and think. Now run along.
^^lol. Obviously what I said got to you and thats why you’re saying “punk”, “kid” and “junior” as if that will bother me. I wasnt trying to get under you skin with what I said but I obviously did.
Again you keep making assumptions about me, what I know and what I don’t. You also keep trying to put words into my mouth. Please try to address what I said not what you think I meant… “thats not that hard to do.”
BTW How old are you Zeb?
What are straw man tactics?
lol check this site out…oh man.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
What are straw man tactics? [/quote]
“to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the “straw man”), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position”
Like the marathon runner who just finished a race or the fighters punches in later rounds comparisons.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
http://benfrank.net/disinfo/
lol check this site out…oh man.[/quote]
hahaha that was awesome! good find
I can do the bench press part at 185, then I just die when I do the chins. lol
The 100 dips in 3:00, Damn!