Let’s say you took some of the top Championship level boxers and threw them in MMA, do you think they would be able to make it up thru the ranks and be a real threat, or would they get murdered as some seem to contend??
My Stance:
Until a true champion level boxer makes the transition all we can do is wonder and speculate at how well they will do and even if they did, the type of fighters and caliber of fighters in their relative MMA divisions would greatly dictate their success in MMA.
But to put things in perspective, Randy Cotour, Chuck Lidell, and Tim Sylvia were champion MMA fighters who successfully defended their belts against great grapplers using solely their stand up abilities. Put any of these guys in a fight against a Champion boxer in their respective classes and they would not last one round. I used to watch Chuck Lidell rock his opponents with his hands and used to just sit their and watch all the gaps in his stand up game. Put him against even a smaller boxer like Roy Jones Jr in his prime and he wouldn’t last a minute. How any one can say that a champion boxer would get murdered in MMA is beyond me, but I think that in the rise of UFC new fighters think of boxing as old school and outdated and don’t show proper respect for the sport. But keep in mind boxing has been around for hundreds of years, it takes boxers YEARS to be even considered a contender for a belt no matter how good they are. MMA on the other hand, you win a handful of matches and you’re a title contender, or in Lesnars case you just show up and he gets a shot. Boxing requires fighters to prove themselves again and again and again and therefor pushes out higher caliber champions then UFC and most other MMA organizations.
This has been absolutely beaten to death in the last couple years on this board.
MMA and Boxing are different sports with different skillsets. It’s like saying that a sprinter will be a great football player because you have to run fast in football- well, there’s a shitload of other stuff that goes into football, and the rules are all different.
Bottom line- a boxer in the Octagon has as much a chance of winning as does an MMA fighter in the ring- and that’s a “slim to none.”
I agree with Irish. You also seemed to overlook the fact that Randy and Chuck had wrestling careers, and Chuck especially was known for having some of the best defensive wrestling MMA has seen. So no he did not solely utilize standup skills against grapplers. Part of the reason he won is that he could not be taken down, or kept down.
Well you can survive in MMA with sub-par striking as long as you have a good ground game, but it doesn’t work the other way around. However, if we had a true high level boxer trained up in ground game for a year or two, I reckon he’d make a big splash, especially in the UFC where striking seems to suck all around outside of top contenders.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
Well you can survive in MMA with sub-par striking as long as you have a good ground game, but it doesn’t work the other way around. However, if we had a true high level boxer trained up in ground game for a year or two, I reckon he’d make a big splash, especially in the UFC where striking seems to suck all around outside of top contenders.[/quote]
It would take much longer than a year. K1 fighters would be the best fighters to compare boxers to and they haven’t done that well.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
This has been absolutely beaten to death in the last couple years on this board.
MMA and Boxing are different sports with different skillsets. It’s like saying that a sprinter will be a great football player because you have to run fast in football- well, there’s a shitload of other stuff that goes into football, and the rules are all different.
Bottom line- a boxer in the Octagon has as much a chance of winning as does an MMA fighter in the ring- and that’s a “slim to none.”[/quote]
^what he said…OP google tim silvia vs ray mercer…the answer to your question
Now let’s be realistic, I didn’t ask if you threw a boxer in against a seasoned MMA guy who would win. I asked if a CHAMPION level boxer went into MMA do you think they would do well.
That doesn’t mean throw a boxer in a cage and say go, that means take Mike Tyson and tell him to prepare to fight in the UFC and have him start at the bottom and try and work his way up. Obviously he would hire the top guys he could find to teach him grappling and take down defense and as he made his way thru MMA he would improve his grappling abilities more and more.
I’m not saying a boxer would be a champion in MMA, I’m saying would a Champion boxer get murdered in MMA. I think the answer is no. I don’t see taking Tyson, Ali, Robinson and telling him to start at the bottom of MMA and see if he can compete and them losing EVERY match, there’s lost of guys who are fairly one demensional and fight MMA, do they become title contenders, no, but do they compete in the lower ranks, sure!
My arguement isn’t that boxers would dominate in the UFC, my arguement is that CHAMPION level boxers are fast, power, and have amazing reflexes, let these CHAMPION boxers start at the bottom and MMA and develop some basic grappling skills and they would not get murdered.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Bottom line- a boxer in the Octagon has as much a chance of winning as does an MMA fighter in the ring- and that’s a “slim to none.”[/quote]
So you mean to tell me that if Mike Tyson were to go to the MMA, he would get MURDERED against the guys at the bottom of the barrel?? The C rated, newbie fighters that are just making their appearance into MMA, he would get MURDERED??? Come on now!
Once again were not talking about who would win between tyson and lesnar in an octagon, we’re talking what if tyson went to MMA and started training as such, would he get MURDERED or would he stand a chance.
[quote]kaisermetal wrote:
No problem, now i google this for you
OH LOOK, 40 YEARS OLD SAKURABA BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF A BOXER[/quote]
Out of “a boxer”. The question isn’t would boxers do well in the UFC, the question is could a CHAMPION BOXER start to compete in MMA, meaning starting at the bottom and developing the skill to compete.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Bottom line- a boxer in the Octagon has as much a chance of winning as does an MMA fighter in the ring- and that’s a “slim to none.”[/quote]
So you mean to tell me that if Mike Tyson were to go to the MMA, he would get MURDERED against the guys at the bottom of the barrel?? The C rated, newbie fighters that are just making their appearance into MMA, he would get MURDERED??? Come on now!
Once again were not talking about who would win between tyson and lesnar in an octagon, we’re talking what if tyson went to MMA and started training as such, would he get MURDERED or would he stand a chance.
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If you put Tyson in there with a good black belt in BJJ and let it go to the ground, nine out of ten times he loses.
If you let him train MMA- how the fuck should I know? That’s speculation, and I have no idea how quick a fighter’s learning curve is. Most of them been boxing since they were 6… so you expect them to catch up on their ground game in a year?
Again, it’s like saying that you’re going to take that crazy fast sprinter and bring him to football practice twice a week, and then asking if you think he’ll be able to play for the Giants next fall. Its kind of dumb.
And by the way, I’d rather put a real fighter with heart in there than a one trick pony like Tyson. Maybe roy Jones in his prime… someone with good movement and hand speed.
^ You’d want to see Roy in there? why? to see him get murdered?? Or are you open to the idea that a truly amazing boxer might make a MMA match a bit interesting?
I would love to see a GREAT boxer like Muhammed Ali go in and start at the bottom and see where his boxing skills take him. This debate wasn’t started because I said boxers are great MMA fighters, this thread was started because someone said Miguel Cotto would get murdered in MMA? I say how so? Against who??
By saying a boxer would get murdered in MMA implies that the disparity between boxing and MMA is SOOO great that no matter how great the boxer and how crappy the MMA fighter the MMA fighter will still win because they’re in an octogon. So my question is would a great boxer get MURDERED, or could it possibly be interesting and could the boxer win in certain circumstances?
I would say that a GREAT boxer could most definitely compete with C level fighters even if he was one dimensional, obviously he would have to learn a bit more to make it anywhere near the top, but I do not believe a boxer gets MURDERED just because he’s in an octogon.
[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
^ You’d want to see Roy in there? why? to see him get murdered?? Or are you open to the idea that a truly amazing boxer might make a MMA match a bit interesting?
I would love to see a GREAT boxer like Muhammed Ali go in and start at the bottom and see where his boxing skills take him. This debate wasn’t started because I said boxers are great MMA fighters, this thread was started because someone said Miguel Cotto would get murdered in MMA? I say how so? Against who??
By saying a boxer would get murdered in MMA implies that the disparity between boxing and MMA is SOOO great that no matter how great the boxer and how crappy the MMA fighter the MMA fighter will still win because they’re in an octogon. So my question is would a great boxer get MURDERED, or could it possibly be interesting and could the boxer win in certain circumstances?
I would say that a GREAT boxer could most definitely compete with C level fighters even if he was one dimensional, obviously he would have to learn a bit more to make it anywhere near the top, but I do not believe a boxer gets MURDERED just because he’s in an octogon.
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You can believe whatever you like. It’s not true. They’re two different sports, and if you can’t see that, it’s not my job to prove it to you.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
You can believe whatever you like. It’s not true. They’re two different sports, and if you can’t see that, it’s not my job to prove it to you.[/quote]
Who the hell said it was your job to prove it to me? We were having a discussion regarding boxing and whether it can be applied to MMA. Not sure how that relates to you having to PROVE anything to me, but if you simply disagree and don’t feel like explaining your point furthur thats your decision, I could care less what your job is.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
the real question is why is Andrew a raging homosexual?[/quote]
LOVE the AVI!!!
Is it okay if from now on I read ALL your posts with a Bruno accent?? I feel you and him probably sound a like and have a lot in common.[/quote]
i know the mods made me get rid of the hot redhead
yeah you can do what you want with my accent in your head![/quote]
Hate to highjack this thread but wanted to ask you, are you only doing the Anaconda protocol or are you doing the full IBB program?? Hows it going for you?? The hype true?
