What would that be like if the UFC had a couple boxing matches along with MMA fights during a PPV show? I think some of the smaller productions may make the move and I personally think it’s a good thing. It’s a good direction for both sports IMO. If that does happen, then the UFC better evolve their game plan faster than Brock Lesnar, or face the potential of getting “tapped out” from some of the smaller, yet more technical productions 
Bad mainly because the audiences are way different, there are few who truly like both sports.
I doubt Dana would want to do this. He does not like having to give people money…or make “other” people money.
Nope. I’d never watch the UFC part… and wouldn’t want to watch my boxing match with a bunch of brotards either. (You guys notwithstanding, of course.)
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Nope. I’d never watch the UFC part… and wouldn’t want to watch my boxing match with a bunch of brotards either. (You guys notwithstanding, of course.)[/quote]
brotards are in no way limited to mma fans, tho we do seem to have more than our share of dipshits
So I suppose the consensus is “no go”. I am a fan of both sports and would love to see it some day!
Btw, part of the reason I brought any of this up is because of the growth of Strikeforce. They are acquiring a lot of really talented fighters, albeit on average not the same level as UFC guys, but still… IMO UFC is gonna have to do something (pay mid level fighters more) to compete or suffer the consequences as the mid-level up and comers become better and better fighters.
Also, fyi, the WEC is supposed to have a PPV for its next show. When the heck are they going to just incorporate the lightweights (I mean flyweight, bantamweight, featherweights, and lightweights) into the UFC? I mean there’s a huge gap in weight if you look at how much people weigh. I mean look at the lightest weight in a wrestling, bjj, boxing, or judo match and you’ll see that they all go down to near 100 pounds whereas UFC does not. What gives?
…I know WEC served a different audience (mid level and up and coming fighters) before the incorporation of the WW-HW classes in the UFC, but now an incorporation of all weight classes seems fitting.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Nope. I’d never watch the UFC part… and wouldn’t want to watch my boxing match with a bunch of brotards either. (You guys notwithstanding, of course.)[/quote]
brotards are in no way limited to mma fans, tho we do seem to have more than our share of dipshits[/quote]
Yeah while the percentage is higher, I don’t think it’s fair to call MMA fans brotards. It is annoying to watch a fight at a bar (drunk brotards = bad time), I often put up with it because of A) Price and B) The joy from watching the purity of aesthetic technique prevails. I liken the analogy used by Shelby Starnes about being a dad to MMA, “any fool with an erection is somehow qualified to become a father.” Following this analogy, MMA is a girl in a sexy but refined outfit. She will draw a lot of attention from a very mixed crowd (gentleman and douches alike), but that doesn’t speak of the girl’s sluty-ness/manners per se.
Here in Miami I know a promoter who puts on shows the co-promote. Like you will have 4 MMA fights and 3 boxing matches…Never attended one though.
I might be going to strikeforce here in Miami.
^Who’s on that card? I really think strikeforce is going to get a lot more recognition and fan fare this year.
What would that be like if the UFC had a couple boxing matches along with MMA fights during a PPV show?
A few of the lower tier organizations have tried this very concept. Live audience response to the big glove matches has been underwhelming.
They have tried this at smaller venues and the athletic comission usually stops it from happening, do not know why. It happened as recent as last year at Adrenaline 3 Tim Sylva vs. Ray Mercer, NJ Athletic Control Board stopped it from happening and they gave a no comment when asked why… Have any of you seen both sports on the same card together, I haven’t?
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=8436&zoneid=2
This is just the link to show that it did infact get shut down by the NJACB.
White is too savvy to mix the up and coming sport of mma with the seemingly dying sport of boxing. It’s an image and marking thing.
I’m not trying to offend any boxing fans, I’m one myself, but we are not living during boxings golden age, while mma is a rising superstar.
i don’t think MMA and boxing would be that great of an event. in my hometown, they have MMA and kickboxing shows, but the kickboxing is not too popular…this is due to several reason…1)bad kickboxers, 2) kickboxing in a cage, and 3)the casual fan doesn’t see the intricies in the sport. same with jujitsu, wrestling…true fans of those sports will enjoy them, but the casual MMA fan would get bored.
i think the reason why MMA has such a strong appeal is becuase there are so many ways to win (or lose), and therefore appeal to more fans.
just my .02
[quote]ZEB wrote:
White is too savvy to mix the up and coming sport of mma with the seemingly dying sport of boxing. It’s an image and marking thing.
I’m not trying to offend any boxing fans, I’m one myself, but we are not living during boxings golden age, while mma is a rising superstar.[/quote]
People have been saying boxing is dying as long as I’ve been alive. We see how that has worked out though.
^^ Yeah but if a larger venue did it, vs a smaller venue doing it, might have a completely different result not to mention the pulling power UFC has in regards to athletic commissions. Besides, we’re all on the same side (UFC fans and boxing fans). It’s kind of like BBers vs PLers vs Strong Men. Arnold Fitness Expo combines them all quite successfully.
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
^^ Yeah but if a larger venue did it, vs a smaller venue doing it, might have a completely different result not to mention the pulling power UFC has in regards to athletic commissions. Besides, we’re all on the same side (UFC fans and boxing fans). It’s kind of like BBers vs PLers vs Strong Men. Arnold Fitness Expo combines them all quite successfully.[/quote]
i think if you got a really good promoter involved, then i think it could be done.
personally, i like watching wrestling, boxing, etc, but not as much as MMA, or especially afterwards. but that’s just me, tho…
[quote]BulletproofTiger wrote:
^^ Yeah but if a larger venue did it, vs a smaller venue doing it, might have a completely different result not to mention the pulling power UFC has in regards to athletic commissions. Besides, we’re all on the same side (UFC fans and boxing fans). It’s kind of like BBers vs PLers vs Strong Men. Arnold Fitness Expo combines them all quite successfully.[/quote]
I don’t see a good MMA card and boxing card being at the same venue.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
White is too savvy to mix the up and coming sport of mma with the seemingly dying sport of boxing. It’s an image and marking thing.
I’m not trying to offend any boxing fans, I’m one myself, but we are not living during boxings golden age, while mma is a rising superstar.[/quote]
People have been saying boxing is dying as long as I’ve been alive. We see how that has worked out though.[/quote]
Actually it is working out, for mma. There’s only so much money available for each sport. The
primary combat sports fan is a male between the ages of 18 and 39. If mma were not around those fans would in fact be tuning into boxing more often. However, since the rise of mma most of the male 18-39 crowd is spending their ppv dollars on mma not boxing. Check the latest ppv buys over the past couple of years. You’ll find that with few exceptions mma outsells boxing every single time.
I really hope boxing is not on the way out, as I’m a fan and have been all my life. But, I wouldn’t bet that it has much of a future as long as mma continues to capture the core 18-39 year old male demographic.
One more point, at the turn of the century (1899-1900) the biggest sport in the US was actually westling. At the time it was real wrestling and people filled stadiums watching two grapplers try to pin each others shoulder to the mat again it was real. Then there was a young upstart sport that started to draw fans from the (real) sport of wrestling, it was called boxing. Boxing started to get sanctioned around the country after many politicians gave up calling it too brutal to watch. Does any of this sound familiar? The people said that wrestling (did I mention it was real then?) would always be there as it was so popular (a short time after this wrestling we started to see “worked” matches to make them more exciting in order to, you guess it, draw fans away from boxing). Fast forward about 100 years later and you just might be having the same scenario play out with Boxing playing the role of the old fashion wrestling and MMA playing out boxing’s former role.
As I stated I certainly hope that boxing will always have a place in combat sports, but as I also said there is only so much money that each individual in that hot combat sport demographic has to spend. If they continue to choose mma over boxing it won’t be long until boxing is no more. As the older fans age and eventually die and younger Americans continue to flock to mma, well, that’s that.
But, time will tell.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
White is too savvy to mix the up and coming sport of mma with the seemingly dying sport of boxing. It’s an image and marking thing.
I’m not trying to offend any boxing fans, I’m one myself, but we are not living during boxings golden age, while mma is a rising superstar.[/quote]
People have been saying boxing is dying as long as I’ve been alive. We see how that has worked out though.[/quote]
Actually it is working out, for mma. There’s only so much money available for each sport. The
primary combat sports fan is a male between the ages of 18 and 39. If mma were not around those fans would in fact be tuning into boxing more often. However, since the rise of mma most of the male 18-39 crowd is spending their ppv dollars on mma not boxing. Check the latest ppv buys over the past couple of years. You’ll find that with few exceptions mma outsells boxing every single time.
I really hope boxing is not on the way out, as I’m a fan and have been all my life. But, I wouldn’t bet that it has much of a future as long as mma continues to capture the core 18-39 year old male demographic.
One more point, at the turn of the century (1899-1900) the biggest sport in the US was actually westling. At the time it was real wrestling and people filled stadiums watching two grapplers try to pin each others shoulder to the mat again it was real. Then there was a young upstart sport that started to draw fans from the (real) sport of wrestling, it was called boxing. Boxing started to get sanctioned around the country after many politicians gave up calling it too brutal to watch. Does any of this sound familiar? The people said that wrestling (did I mention it was real then?) would always be there as it was so popular (a short time after this wrestling we started to see “worked” matches to make them more exciting in order to, you guess it, draw fans away from boxing). Fast forward about 100 years later and you just might be having the same scenario play out with Boxing playing the role of the old fashion wrestling and MMA playing out boxing’s former role.
As I stated I certainly hope that boxing will always have a place in combat sports, but as I also said there is only so much money that each individual in that hot combat sport demographic has to spend. If they continue to choose mma over boxing it won’t be long until boxing is no more. As the older fans age and eventually die and younger Americans continue to flock to mma, well, that’s that.
But, time will tell.
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I really think you MMA guys are getting played by Dana white. Played isn’t the word, more like bamboozled. Bamboozled like his champions making $500,000 a fight. What happened last time UFC went up against boxing? Mayweather/Marquez destroyed them, probably by a 2:1 buy ratio. The only reason UFC generates more revenue is because it’s an organization
Don’t forget that the UFC has been pulling viewers from wrestling, not boxing.
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]goldengloves wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
White is too savvy to mix the up and coming sport of mma with the seemingly dying sport of boxing. It’s an image and marking thing.
I’m not trying to offend any boxing fans, I’m one myself, but we are not living during boxings golden age, while mma is a rising superstar.[/quote]
People have been saying boxing is dying as long as I’ve been alive. We see how that has worked out though.[/quote]
Actually it is working out, for mma. There’s only so much money available for each sport. The
primary combat sports fan is a male between the ages of 18 and 39. If mma were not around those fans would in fact be tuning into boxing more often. However, since the rise of mma most of the male 18-39 crowd is spending their ppv dollars on mma not boxing. Check the latest ppv buys over the past couple of years. You’ll find that with few exceptions mma outsells boxing every single time.
I really hope boxing is not on the way out, as I’m a fan and have been all my life. But, I wouldn’t bet that it has much of a future as long as mma continues to capture the core 18-39 year old male demographic.
One more point, at the turn of the century (1899-1900) the biggest sport in the US was actually westling. At the time it was real wrestling and people filled stadiums watching two grapplers try to pin each others shoulder to the mat again it was real. Then there was a young upstart sport that started to draw fans from the (real) sport of wrestling, it was called boxing. Boxing started to get sanctioned around the country after many politicians gave up calling it too brutal to watch. Does any of this sound familiar? The people said that wrestling (did I mention it was real then?) would always be there as it was so popular (a short time after this wrestling we started to see “worked” matches to make them more exciting in order to, you guess it, draw fans away from boxing). Fast forward about 100 years later and you just might be having the same scenario play out with Boxing playing the role of the old fashion wrestling and MMA playing out boxing’s former role.
As I stated I certainly hope that boxing will always have a place in combat sports, but as I also said there is only so much money that each individual in that hot combat sport demographic has to spend. If they continue to choose mma over boxing it won’t be long until boxing is no more. As the older fans age and eventually die and younger Americans continue to flock to mma, well, that’s that.
But, time will tell.
I really think you MMA guys are getting played by Dana white. Played isn’t the word, more like bamboozled. Bamboozled like his champions making $500,000 a fight.[/quote]
Dana White is taking care of the Ferrita brothers and the UFC, not the fighters. The fighters are grossly underpaid. Does he have people fooled? Some, but mostly people know what he’s all about. But, we still love to watch mma and right now he has control of most of the best fighters. End of story.
I give much credit to the remaining big names in boxing and there is none bigger than Mayweather. However, the Mayweather/Marquez fight was NOT the biggest ppv event in 2009. The biggest event was UFC 100. Keeping in line with what I’ve been saying UFC topped boxing for the first time in 2009 for the years biggest event:
“The year also marked the first in which UFC, not boxing, had the yearâ??s most purchased event, as UFC 100 (1.6 million) topped boxingâ??s biggest event, Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto (1.25 million).”
The real prominence came in 2008 when the UFC topped boxing by placing 8 of their events in the top 10 ppv list.
Also, keep in mind that that was boxing biggest draw and they were still not the biggest buy, that alone should tell you in what direction each combat sport is heading.
One more point to demonstrate that mma is the new combat sport for younger males. Bars where teh 21 to 29 age group frequent more than any other demographic want to see mma not boxing
“MMA has a larger crowd than boxing,â?? Third Baseâ??s director of operations Ben Petko said. 'I do like boxing, but from a business standpoint, UFC is definitely the biggest draw.”
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/no-love-for-boxing-as-ufc-takes-over-at-bars-1.1487657
I’m sure that they’ve taken from both wrestling and boxing. It’s not really a question of where mma is going, it’s obvious. The question is can boxing hold on. As a fan I hope they do, but it’s going to be a struggle.