Trivium's Quest to 4/3/5 (Part 2)

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
Up 10 lbs in the last week or so, impressive.

I am looking for 1200 at about 230 and 6’5. I think i am going to test my maxes in about a month hopefully its around that 1100 mark.[/quote]

My weight fluctuates like mad haha. I didnt realize you were so tall man. I’m only 5’9" ish. Are you gonna do a meet when you get there?[/quote]
I doubt it, I will look into it when I get closer though.

You planning on doing one? If so what weight class?

[quote]americaninsweden wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]americaninsweden wrote:
Up 10 lbs in the last week or so, impressive.

I am looking for 1200 at about 230 and 6’5. I think i am going to test my maxes in about a month hopefully its around that 1100 mark.[/quote]

My weight fluctuates like mad haha. I didnt realize you were so tall man. I’m only 5’9" ish. Are you gonna do a meet when you get there?[/quote]
I doubt it, I will look into it when I get closer though.

You planning on doing one? If so what weight class?
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If I can ever get the chance to put together 6 months of solid training, I will try. I think my ultimate goal would be to hit 1200 in the 181 class. I have no idea how to cut though, so that would be a huge struggle and put me behind a little.

Press
5x45
5x95
5x125
3x140
3x155 (Paused)
8x135 (TNG)

Pull Ups
8/5/4/4/4/5/3/3 (No half reps counted. Less rest in between sets. I wanted to get to the trap work.)

Bench
3x20 @ 135
1x10 @ 135

Face Pull
4x15 @ 120
1x10 @ 120

Curl
3x10 @ 60 (Felt a little easier. I don’t think the preacher was set up the same though.)

Shrug Machine Thing
3x10 @ 170 (With static hold.)

Reverse Fly Thing
3x10 @ 20
1x10 @ 15

In a bit of a rush today. Less time in between sets. Busy week comin up.

Bodyweight: 210.0

Just got out of the hospital.

Squat
5x45
5x135
5x225
6x255
3x290
1x325 (I dont know what happened here. Just couldn’t get any more than 1.)
1x325 (Had to excuse myself from the gym for a few minutes after this set. Just disappointed and smashed up.)
6x275 (Ugly reps. Not happy at all.)

Deadlift
2x10 @ 185
2x10 @ 225
2x5 @ 275

Minimal rest between the deadlift sets. Took my time getting the squat sets. Those took a long time to do. My mind is trashed, and I am having a real hard time keeping my focus sometimes. I had a bit of a life crisis this weekend, and it just threw everything off. I am down to 205. I may have to stop lifting sometime in the near future. What should I do? Do I deload, or try to grind it out and see if my strength/weight come back? Any advice is welcome. I want to turn this all around.

Yesterday’s lift.

Bench Press
5x45
5x135
5x190
3x215
4x240 (Got to rep 7, but the spotter helped a bit with a few of them.)

Kroc Row
110 lb dumbbells for 15/10/10/5

Press
5x10 @ 95

Skull Crusher
3x10 @ 70 (Didn’t feel like good sets.)

T-Bar Row Machine
3x10 @ 115 (Last set wasn’t great. I was running out of time.)

Weighed in at 204.6

I have definitely gotten weaker. I don’t know what to do. I am getting real beat up and burnt out. I’ll be honest, some days I just want to quit. Any help would be appreciated.

Reset. Take a week off and start over.

CS

I get that feeling often lol. Usually a gigantic meal and a lot of sleep one night will make me ready to go by the next day.

[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:

Reset. Take a week off and start over.

CS
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How should I go about the reset?

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
I get that feeling often lol. Usually a gigantic meal and a lot of sleep one night will make me ready to go by the next day.[/quote]

Ive been so beat lately man. Im just out of it. I feel like life has given me the standing 8 count.

Deadlift
5x135
5x225
5x275
3x315
5x365 (Hitched the last one.)

Drop set of deads
2x405 (Hitched number 2, and got 3 to my knees. Couldn’t lock it out.)
5x315
5x225 (Couldnt get any more than 5. I was dead.)

Squat
4x10 @ 225 (On set 3 I had to rack it at 8 and take a small breather to get the last 2.)

I warmed up my squat with 5x135 and 5x185. The drop set was brutal. The only rest was the time it took me to remove the plates. Tomorrow I’m gonna go and get that last set of 225 on squat and do some trap work. I did a little trap work today, but it wasn’t anywhere near good enough.

Bodyweight of 206

Press
5x45
5x95
5x110
5x125
9x135 (Failed half way up 10.)

Pullup
9/6/6/5/5/5/3 @ bodyweight of 207 (Cant recall the after the decimal.)

(kicked a little with some of the last reps on a couple sets. Oh well, as long as my back is getting worked. I try to get to my Adam’s apple on ever rep.)

Bench Press
3x20 @ 135
1x10 @ 135

Face Pull
10/15/15 @ 140 (Wanted to do some more sets, bud didn’t have time.)

Curls
10/6/5/3 @ 60 lbs (Didn’t feel real good. Got a bit of a pump though.)

I’m gonna do some bicep and trap work tomorrow to make up for the week. I’m not gonna squat tomorrow. I’m gonna save that for the next day. Light work and lots of studying tomorrow. I am happy to report that my weight and strength appear to be coming back a little. I have actually been eating less calories as well, which is confusing to me. As long as it is working though, I’m not going to question it. Also, I decided to rep sets of wheels this week, so that is why I went to 135 for my top set.

Squat
5x45
5x135
5x185
3x225
5x250
5x285
5x315 (Spotter said he had to help me from falling forward, but he didn’t help me lift any of the weight. My back is weak?)

Squat rest pause/drop set thing
Rep out, then 30 seconds between sets.
275x10
275x4
275x2
225x7
185x10
135x5 (paused)
135x5 (paused)
135x10

Deadlift
4x10 @ 225 (I was shaking the whole time. I was just beat up.)

Face pull super set with rear laterals
140 x 10/10/15
20 lb dumbbells x 10/10/15

Smith machine shrug
2 plates on each side 3x15

Preacher curl
3x10 @ 60

This lift took forever, but I felt so good doing it. I wish I could do this every day. I really want to focus on the squat. I know I got those reps, but falling forward is unacceptable.

Weight 205.6

Took an exam today, and my legs are fried. I stayed up all night and am starting to drag. Maybe I’ll wake up early and hit the gym in the AM tomorrow.

Bench Press
5x45
5x135
5x185
5x205
6x225 (Failed half way up 7. Pissed about this, so I dropped and immediately did reps)
7x185 (First drop set.)
5?x135 (Cant remember if I got 5 or 10. I was so angry at this point, I couldn’t focus.)
5x135
5 pushups
5 pushups

Kroc Rows
3x10 @ 110 (I know I got at least three before I lost count. I was just struggling and have no idea why. I am so pissed about this.
After I lost count I tried to do a few more sets, but I cant recall them.)

Press
5x10 @ 95

Skull Crusher
70 lbs for 10/10/9/8

Chest supported row
3x10 @ 115

Supersetted the last 2 movements with no time intervals between the sets.

Weighed in at 206

Felt weak today. My left hand just had no grip. 2 nights ago I didn’t sleep at all. I studied for a final, and then slept a ton yesterday. I haven’t been eating well either. I didn’t eat before today’s lift, and the majority of my meals have been protein shakes in the last week. Felt like my pumps today were asymmetrical. I need help with this stuff. I cant work any harder, and I’m struggling. Its starting to get really frustrating. My legs and back are still sore from squatting. Any suggestions?

don’t worry about it so much dude, it looks like your sleep and diet were both pretty crappy as compared to normal. With the lack of carbs, high stress, and no sleep, of course you were dehydrated going into the gym. I think your training will definitely pick up after exams are over

I really hope so man. I want to reach my goals.

Deadlift
5x135
3x225
5x290
5x330
5x365 (Failed 6)
1x405
0x455 (Got it above the knees, just couldn’t stand it up.)

Squat
5x10 @ 185

Nothing fantastic today. Running on 4 hours of sleep, and a protein shake. Took a huge exam today, and came off a night drinking at a birthday party two nights ago. Rough days these.

Weighed in at 204.8. Losing weight =[

Hey seems like you’re having a rough patch in your lifting; I really hate to see that man. I’m just gonna throw some shit out there, and hopefully some of it might help you in some way.

I haven’t seen much form talk. Video your lifts and post some of them up and go into some detail on how your form is going on each. What is your bench form like? I do notice you have trouble with the lockout on deadlifts (just like me). What’s your deadlift form like?

It does look like you miss reps too often. It doesn’t really make sense to me why missing reps is so bad, because I always though that just meant you were giving 100% effort. But you’ll just have to trust me and take it from people a lot stronger than us that it’s bad. Ed Coan would set up his meet cycles like 14 weeks out and never miss a single lift going into the meet. If you ask some of the strongest raw lifters out there today how many lifts they’ve missed in training in the last year, I guarantee they could count them on one hand (I think Brandon Lilly said like 2 in an entire year of training). This includes rep maxes and everything. Again, I know it seems like this would just stress your muscles more and make them stronger, but all sources seem to indicate that the negatives outweigh any positives. It is very taxing on your body and perhaps even worse, you are basically practicing failure. You can feel when you’re on your last rep. Don’t try to gut out more than you can successfully complete.

I notice you do the BBB style template where you train the complementary main lift with sets of 10 after the heavier lift sets. Have you ever done it with the same lift each day? Like doing your squats and then BBB squats and bench followed by BBB bench or even some other template all together. I always felt better hitting all legs on one day, all back on one day, etc. rather than mixing it up. Just something to try maybe if you wanted to experiment a little bit. You could also experiment with some different accessory lifts. Pause squats, RDL’s, close grip bench, incline bench, and dips are fantastic.

I think the most important thing by far though is having the right attitude. Seems like your spirit has been a bit drained. Trust your body’s ability and lift like a savage. Fuck your sleep, fuck your drinking, fuck what you ate, fuck if you lost weight (just lift at 198 anyway), if your diet and sleep are shit, it’s not optimal, but that doesn’t mean you need to beat yourself down about it. All of these things are mentally draining you and causing stress and weakness in your body. Just say fuck it, I’m strong and I’m going to go smash some weight. Your body can go without sleep. It can go with subpar nutrition. I think the fact that you get in a bit of a mental rut over this stuff is just as bad or worse as having bad sleep and diet in the first place. More important than your program or your diet or your nutrition is your attitude. Attack the weight like a goddamn animal. I hope I don’t get flamed too badly for saying that lol. I’m not saying it’s okay to have horrible sleep and diet, but if your sleep and diet has been horrible, stressing yourself out over it isn’t going to help shit. Your body is a powerful machine and it can perform if you make it.

Think about that before every set. Don’t ever go through the motions, and don’t ever talk yourself out of lifting intensely because of how weak or sore your body is trying to convince you that you are. I’m guilty of it all the time, but I’m trying to get better as well. You can lay there and do 3 sets of 10 on chest supported rows and that’s fine. But look at Chuck Vogelpohl. When he does 3 sets of 10 on chest supported rows he pulls on it so savagely that the entire front of the apparatus comes off the ground like 2 inches every rep. On paper it’ll look the same, but believe me there’s a huge difference.

Anyway, just a wall of text for some food for thought.

Good shit Csulli. I get where you’re coming from about the diet, but obviously you still need plenty of calories to grow and get stronger. I can’t even remember the last time I missed a lift in training. Last time I missed anything was at a meet in November, and they were all “go for broke” 3rd attempts except for my bench.

If you haven’t already, I would highly recommend reading Paul Carters page on liftrunbang. 531 is a great routine that I am still using, albeit some changes with the added strength I’ve gotten. But since you’re having some issues leaving something in the tank, I think following Paul Carters base building outline would be an excellent fit for you.

So yea…you’re working out to hard, but thats better than being a lazy ass. You’ll turn things around!

[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
Good shit Csulli. I get where you’re coming from about the diet, but obviously you still need plenty of calories to grow and get stronger. I can’t even remember the last time I missed a lift in training. Last time I missed anything was at a meet in November, and they were all “go for broke” 3rd attempts except for my bench.

If you haven’t already, I would highly recommend reading Paul Carters page on liftrunbang. 531 is a great routine that I am still using, albeit some changes with the added strength I’ve gotten. But since you’re having some issues leaving something in the tank, I think following Paul Carters base building outline would be an excellent fit for you.

So yea…you’re working out to hard, but thats better than being a lazy ass. You’ll turn things around![/quote]

I talked to Mr. Carter yesterday for about half an hour in a private chat over FB. He said to clean up my diet and stop missing lifts. I need some major help.