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[quote]machinist28 wrote:
My goal is to have a physique similar to shawn crawford and he even weighs less then me, how is this ?
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some possible points to consider:

  1. during off-season alot of these guys gain weight, that may be a pic of him weighing 180 for all you know…

  2. he probably has a good five percent lower body fat level than you even with his off season weight gain (so it could be that he’s 180 at seven percent body fat in that pic while you’re 168 with thirteen percent body fat)…

  3. your bone structure could be larger than his…so your bones weight more, but you have considerably less muscle mass (which is obvious by looking at your pic and his)…

  4. he could be exaggerating his height…which is a national epidemic I think, for instance, I’ve never in my life met someone that claimed to be 5’10 that was taller than me (I’m barely over 5’9)…

so he could be shorter than you, heavier than you, less bodyfat than you, with a lighter bone structure than you…

this answer your question?

here’s my advice to you if you eventually want to look like the ‘ideal body type’ pic you posted:

spend the next couple of years gaining an appreciable amount of muscle, THEN cut down to a bodyfat level you’ll be happy with…don’t worry so much about what the scale says, worry more about what YOU look like in the mirror and not someone else’s bodyweight…

you look VERY SCRAWNY at your current level of muscle mass, dieting at this point is only going to make you look like a twig…

good luck!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Honestly, have half of the guys logging in here gone fucking crazy?[/quote]

Yep unhuh hahaha!

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[quote]machinist28 wrote:

Good response but you did not answer my question. I understand that I am skinny but I am asking why it is that although I weigh more he looks heavier and defined at a lighter weight.

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I did answer your question. How did you not understand what was written? Any simpler and we’re using crayons. Chances are, HE DOES NOT WEIGH ONLY 165LBS!!!

Get it?

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That’s funny. The SEARCH button works beautifully on my computer! See that little word on the top of your page? All you gotta do is click it! Yea, it is that fucken easy!

(And, there was a recent thread about your exact question. But for that, follow directions above.)

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[quote]DPH wrote:
machinist28 wrote:
My goal is to have a physique similar to shawn crawford and he even weighs less then me, how is this ?

some possible points to consider:

  1. during off-season alot of these guys gain weight, that may be a pic of him weighing 180 for all you know…

  2. he probably has a good five percent lower body fat level than you even with his off season weight gain (so it could be that he’s 180 at seven percent body fat in that pic while you’re 168 with thirteen percent body fat)…

  3. your bone structure could be larger than his…so your bones weight more, but you have considerably less muscle mass (which is obvious by looking at your pic and his)…

  4. he could be exaggerating his height…which is a national epidemic I think, for instance, I’ve never in my life met someone that claimed to be 5’10 that was taller than me (I’m barely over 5’9)…

so he could be shorter than you, heavier than you, less bodyfat than you, with a lighter bone structure than you…

this answer your question?

here’s my advice to you if you eventually want to look like the ‘ideal body type’ pic you posted:

spend the next couple of years gaining an appreciable amount of muscle, THEN cut down to a bodyfat level you’ll be happy with…don’t worry so much about what the scale says, worry more about what YOU look like in the mirror and not someone else’s bodyweight…

you look VERY SCRAWNY at your current level of muscle mass, dieting at this point is only going to make you look like a twig…

good luck![/quote]

Thanks for the reply so I should bulk like to 180-185 and then cut down to what ever I feel comfortable with.

Is there any way I could lose body fat while gaining muscle? so that I dont have to bulk for a long time, I heard that this is hard but is it possible?

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[quote]machinist28 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
machinist28 wrote:
Alright so I understand that alot of my questions are pretty dumb…but I am not a fitness expert or even a guy who really know what he is doing.

One question I do have is how do some people weifh less but look bigger? My goal is to have a physique similar to shawn crawford and he even weighs less then me, how is this ?
My physique goal

I can’t believe you exist. When stats are listed, do you think these are constant weights that never change? Chances are, they weighed Shawn years ago and just keep using the same stats. Most people don’t weigh the same in the afternoon as they do in the morning, but you seem to think Shawn has weighed EXACTLY 165.00000lbs for a decade and that to look like him, you need to lose weight yourself.

Bottom line, even at your age, I would have figured this out. Most stats listed about athletes are NOT exact. I mentioned Jerome Bettis in another thread. There is no way he is only 255lbs, yet his stats have listed him there for YEARS. Please wake the living fuck up before you hurt yourself.

Not only that, but regardless of what someone else weighs, you won’t look just like them just because you weigh the same. Shawn has more muscle than you and less fat than you. You, on the other hand, are a walking stick figure who is trying to lose weight like a primping beauty queen on crack.

Good response but you did not answer my question. I understand that I am skinny but I am asking why it is that although I weigh more he looks heavier and defined at a lighter weight. I also understand that I will not look exactly like him that is why I am saying I want a physique like his, not that I want his. I mean I want to be thin and defined. Since I weigh 168 what do I have to do to lean up? Do I have to bulk then cut or can I lose fat and gain muscle at the same time?

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Genetics… bone structure, muscle mass, water weight, body fat%, and he doesn’t weigh 165 lbs… I don’t care what his stats say.

You will never look like Shawn exactly, but you can look like a Shawn replica with different genetics. For you to have a build like Shawn, I would say about 190 lbs of lean muscle and less than 10% bodyfat. You need about 5 solid years of lifting on your chest and legs.

Make sure you balance your chest well. Shawn has a very well balanced chest, that’s what gives him the desired square shape in the picture.

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[quote]machinist28 wrote:
DPH wrote:
machinist28 wrote:
My goal is to have a physique similar to shawn crawford and he even weighs less then me, how is this ?

some possible points to consider:

  1. during off-season alot of these guys gain weight, that may be a pic of him weighing 180 for all you know…

  2. he probably has a good five percent lower body fat level than you even with his off season weight gain (so it could be that he’s 180 at seven percent body fat in that pic while you’re 168 with thirteen percent body fat)…

  3. your bone structure could be larger than his…so your bones weight more, but you have considerably less muscle mass (which is obvious by looking at your pic and his)…

  4. he could be exaggerating his height…which is a national epidemic I think, for instance, I’ve never in my life met someone that claimed to be 5’10 that was taller than me (I’m barely over 5’9)…

so he could be shorter than you, heavier than you, less bodyfat than you, with a lighter bone structure than you…

this answer your question?

here’s my advice to you if you eventually want to look like the ‘ideal body type’ pic you posted:

spend the next couple of years gaining an appreciable amount of muscle, THEN cut down to a bodyfat level you’ll be happy with…don’t worry so much about what the scale says, worry more about what YOU look like in the mirror and not someone else’s bodyweight…

you look VERY SCRAWNY at your current level of muscle mass, dieting at this point is only going to make you look like a twig…

good luck!

Thanks for the reply so I should bulk like to 180-185 and then cut down to what ever I feel comfortable with.

Is there any way I could lose body fat while gaining muscle? so that I dont have to bulk for a long time, I heard that this is hard but is it possible?
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Reality check… you will never have the muscle mass to look like Shawn with your approach. You will need to bulk to about 210 lbs approx… to get the mass he has, then you will have to cut it up to around 190 to get the definition he has.

If you are serious about looking like him… you will learn to eat or you will never have his mass… especially in the chest without packing on some pounds. The body works as a whole, whenever you divide it up you run into problems. You will want to not want to try to stay lean, you WILL NEVER get the mass results he has, I guarentee it. His genetics are different than yours. You will have to go about it a different way than he did. He was pretty much born to look like that with some resistance training. You will have to manipulate alot to get his physique.

Your first step in the transformation should be a few solid years of muscle mass and density. Shawns chest is about 20 times the weight of yours.

You might want to pick a realistic build like Brad Pitt’s, that is attainable with your approach… “the gain muscle and lose fat routine” this only works on people that actually have muscle and fat. You have a whole lot of nothing. You might want to start gaining a whole lot of ‘something’ then see if you want to continue this transformation.

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:

Genetics… bone structure, muscle mass, water weight, body fat, and he doen’t weigh 165 lbs… I don’t care what his stats say.

You will never look like Shawn, but you can look like a Shawn replica with different genetics. For you to have a build like Shawn, I would say about 190 lbs of lean muscle and less than 10% bodyfat. You need about 5 solid years of lifting on your chest and legs.

Make sure you balance your chest well. shawn has a very well balanced chest, that’s what gives him the desired square shape in the picture.

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Thanks I can now start planning my training and diet. So I weigh about 168 and I would like to take the weight gain slowly so how would I go about getting to 180 lbs with about 9% body fat? do you bulk then cut? or can I do both lower body fat and gain muscle? Sorry for the repetitive newbie questions.

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
machinist28 wrote:
DPH wrote:
machinist28 wrote:
My goal is to have a physique similar to shawn crawford and he even weighs less then me, how is this ?

some possible points to consider:

  1. during off-season alot of these guys gain weight, that may be a pic of him weighing 180 for all you know…

  2. he probably has a good five percent lower body fat level than you even with his off season weight gain (so it could be that he’s 180 at seven percent body fat in that pic while you’re 168 with thirteen percent body fat)…

  3. your bone structure could be larger than his…so your bones weight more, but you have considerably less muscle mass (which is obvious by looking at your pic and his)…

  4. he could be exaggerating his height…which is a national epidemic I think, for instance, I’ve never in my life met someone that claimed to be 5’10 that was taller than me (I’m barely over 5’9)…

so he could be shorter than you, heavier than you, less bodyfat than you, with a lighter bone structure than you…

this answer your question?

here’s my advice to you if you eventually want to look like the ‘ideal body type’ pic you posted:

spend the next couple of years gaining an appreciable amount of muscle, THEN cut down to a bodyfat level you’ll be happy with…don’t worry so much about what the scale says, worry more about what YOU look like in the mirror and not someone else’s bodyweight…

you look VERY SCRAWNY at your current level of muscle mass, dieting at this point is only going to make you look like a twig…

good luck!

Thanks for the reply so I should bulk like to 180-185 and then cut down to what ever I feel comfortable with.

Is there any way I could lose body fat while gaining muscle? so that I dont have to bulk for a long time, I heard that this is hard but is it possible?

Reality check… you will never have the muscle mass to look like Shawn with your approach. You will need to bulk to about 210 lbs approx to get the mass he has, then you will have to cut it up to around 190 to get the definition he has.

If you are serious about looking like him… you will learn to eat, you will never have his mass, especially in the chest without packing on some pounds. the body works as a whole, whenever you divide it up you run into problems. You will want to not want to try to stay lean, you WILL NEVER get the mass results he has, I guarentee it. His genetics are different than yours. You will have to go about it a different way than he did. He was pretty much born to look like that with some resistance training. You will have to manipulate alot to get his physique.

Your first step in the transformation should be a few solid years of muscle mass and density. Shawns chest is about 20 times the weight of yours.

You might want to pick a realistic build like Brad Pitt’s, that is attainable with your approach… “the gain muscle and lose fat routine” this only works on people that actually have muscle and fat. You have a whole lot of nothing. You might want to start to try to gain a whole lot of ‘something’ than see if you wanna continue this transformation.
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yes his chest is impressive, but I will still be willing to work for it. Although now I am thinking that 165 is too light because I found a pic of an amateur bodybuilder rob morton he is 5’9 185 lbs and he even looks smaller and thinner.

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[quote]machinist28 wrote:

yes his chest is impressive, but I will still be willing to work for it. Although now I am thinking that 165 is too light because I found a pic of an amateur bodybuilder rob morton he is 5’9 185 lbs and he even looks smaller and thinner.

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Do you realize that someone who weighs 185lbs in CONTEST SHAPE is weighing over 200lbs on a daily basis in the off season?

That is what that guy looks like after dieting and after depleting all of the water from his body. he won’t weigh 185lbs even one day after the contest.

Your ideas are not matched up with reality. If you have enough sense, you will listen to what guys who have been doing this years longer than you are saying.

da Freak, a poster on this site, weighed about that much at his last contest. he now weighs over 220lbs in the off season. You are confused on a lot of things.

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[quote]machinist28 wrote:
Thanks I can now start planning my training and diet. So I weigh about 168 and I would like to take the weight gain slowly so how would I go about getting to 180 lbs with about 9% body fat? do you bulk then cut? or can I do both lower body fat and gain muscle? Sorry for the repetitive newbie questions.
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kid I’m going to be frank, shawn crawford looks like he has a good thirty pounds of muscle more than you at a lower bodyfat level…to look like him you’ll probably have to be in the range of around 195-205 lbs at less than 10% bodyfat…

bulk up first to at least around 210-215 lbs then cut back to your desired bodyfat level…this is going to take a good two-three years of dedication and hard work on your part…

also, even though every bodybuilding mag advertises this, loosing fat and gaining muscle at the same time is rare…be realistic…

good luck!

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[quote]machinist28 wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
machinist28 wrote:
DPH wrote:
machinist28 wrote:
My goal is to have a physique similar to shawn crawford and he even weighs less then me, how is this ?

some possible points to consider:

  1. during off-season alot of these guys gain weight, that may be a pic of him weighing 180 for all you know…

  2. he probably has a good five percent lower body fat level than you even with his off season weight gain (so it could be that he’s 180 at seven percent body fat in that pic while you’re 168 with thirteen percent body fat)…

  3. your bone structure could be larger than his…so your bones weight more, but you have considerably less muscle mass (which is obvious by looking at your pic and his)…

  4. he could be exaggerating his height…which is a national epidemic I think, for instance, I’ve never in my life met someone that claimed to be 5’10 that was taller than me (I’m barely over 5’9)…

so he could be shorter than you, heavier than you, less bodyfat than you, with a lighter bone structure than you…

this answer your question?

here’s my advice to you if you eventually want to look like the ‘ideal body type’ pic you posted:

spend the next couple of years gaining an appreciable amount of muscle, THEN cut down to a bodyfat level you’ll be happy with…don’t worry so much about what the scale says, worry more about what YOU look like in the mirror and not someone else’s bodyweight…

you look VERY SCRAWNY at your current level of muscle mass, dieting at this point is only going to make you look like a twig…

good luck!

Thanks for the reply so I should bulk like to 180-185 and then cut down to what ever I feel comfortable with.

Is there any way I could lose body fat while gaining muscle? so that I dont have to bulk for a long time, I heard that this is hard but is it possible?

Reality check… you will never have the muscle mass to look like Shawn with your approach. You will need to bulk to about 210 lbs approx… to get the mass he has, then you will have to cut it up to around 190 to get the definition he has.

If you are serious about looking like him… you will learn to eat, or you will never have his mass… especially in the chest without packing on some pounds. The body works as a whole, whenever you divide it up you run into problems. You will not want to try to stay lean and gain mass at your weight… thats too confusing on your body; are you feeing ot or staving it, you WILL NEVER get the mass results he has, I guarentee it. His genetics are different than yours. You will have to go about it a different way than he did. He was pretty much born to look like that with some resistance training. You will have to manipulate alot to get his physique.

Your first step in the transformation should be a few solid years of muscle mass and density. Shawns chest is about 20 times the weight of yours.

You might want to pick a realistic build like Brad Pitt’s, that is attainable with your approach… “the gain muscle and lose fat routine” this only works on people that actually have muscle and fat. You have a whole lot of nothing. You might want to start gaining a whole lot of ‘something’ then see if you want to continue this transformation.

yes his chest is impressive, but I will still be willing to work for it. Although now I am thinking that 165 is too light because I found a pic of an amateur bodybuilder rob morton he is 5’9 185 lbs and he even looks smaller and thinner.

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DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!
DO NOT GO BY WEIGHT!!!

Did it sink in yet?

Me at 185 and you at 185 are two totally different physiques. The biggest mistake in physique judging is trying to weigh what someone else weighs. I’ve seen a 145 lb black guy benching 345 at my old gym. He looked about 170 and the scale said 145.
Looks are the mother of all fuck ups! Don’t ever judge anything by looks. I have no clue what Shawn weighs. It could be 150, it could be 200. You have no idea what his bone mass is.

I myself look alot heavier than I am. You may have to weigh 200 at 8% BF to get the physique he has… and that may not even be close, what are his waist, ankles, wrist measurments? Torso length? Height? I am about 2 inches shorter than Arnold, I actually will have to outweigh him to get the build he had. He will still have bigger arms, and chest than me.

You need to learn to imagine your body and what you want it to look like with your muscles bigger or more defined. You can’t put Shawns muscles on your body. I can’t put Arnolds on mine. No matter what I do, I can’t get my bicep to shape like his, I can build my arms bigger possibly but I’ll still have a different look… I’m probably more tricep and he has more height and peak on his bicep if we measured out the exact same circumfrence.

My guess is Shawns chest and yours will never resemble one another. That is a genetic shape thing. You can try to get the proportions he has. See how his doesn’t sag and looks square and flat… do alot of incline pressing to get that look. See how how wide his shoulders are. I’m telling you trying to look like someone else is next to impossible. I know, I’ve been there. There is only so much you can do. What you can do realisticly is discover your own body and see where it takes you. It might look like shawns, it might look like Pee Wee Hermans… right now you and Pee Wee have alot in common. shawn looks alot closer to Serge Nubret than you. Serge was a former Mr. Olympia at 6’ 200lbs roughly.

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[quote]DPH wrote:
machinist28 wrote:
Thanks I can now start planning my training and diet. So I weigh about 168 and I would like to take the weight gain slowly so how would I go about getting to 180 lbs with about 9% body fat? do you bulk then cut? or can I do both lower body fat and gain muscle? Sorry for the repetitive newbie questions.

kid I’m going to be frank, shawn crawford looks like he has a good thirty pounds of muscle more than you at a lower bodyfat level…to look like him you’ll probably have to be in the range of around 195-205 lbs at less than 10% bodyfat…

bulk up first to at least around 210-215 lbs then cut back to your desired bodyfat level…this is going to take a good two-three years of dedication and hard work on your part…

also, even though every bodybuilding mag advertises this, loosing fat and gaining muscle at the same time is rare…be realistic…

good luck![/quote]

Yes, very true.

I was being generous with the 190-210. Probably 200-225 might be more realistic. Get this 168lb thing off of this thread and out of your mind.

You better start to think about a deuce… 200+

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Do you realize that someone who weighs 185lbs in CONTEST SHAPE is weighing over 200lbs on a daily basis in the off season?

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This is pure reality kid. When I first started back at 150 lbs, there was a pro-bodybuilder in my gym I would bug everyday to teach me and train me. His name was Dave. He was fuckin huge to me. He looked like a 6’ monster. He weighed around 250-260 when he was in the gym and most of his weight was in the upperbody, his wheels were a little light.

Anyway, Dave competed at 190. I could barely tell the difference because he was so fuckin big at both weights. The difference was the water and fat weight was gone. I could see the defintion when he dieted but his mass was there no matter what he weighed.

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I weigh 168, so the only way to be more lean and defined would be to gain weight then cut? other wise I could just lose more fat to be more defined but be even lighter and skinnier.

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Gaining muscle while losing fat is possible, at least percentage wise, for a beginner that is. I had a higher body fat percentage when i was 130lbs than now that im 175, but when you factor in the numbers Im still carrying more pounds of fat now than I did then.

Now that is what happened to me, was I looking to gain muscle while losing fat? No. Did I care about it? No. Should you care about it? No, just bulk, eat eat eat then eat some more, train heavy and sleep a lot. And as said above looks can be very deceiving.

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[quote]machinist28 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
machinist28 wrote:
well I was around 175 I then saw that shawn crawford weighs 165 so I decided to start lifting more while cutting down. I know dumb.

So you lost more weight because you read that Shawn Crawford weighs less? That makes no sense. You aren’t Shawn Crawford and unless two people are identical twins, weighing the same as someone else doesn’t mean you will look like them. You are rail thin…and you dieted?

Honestly, have half of the guys logging in here gone fucking crazy?

I actually wanted to see if I could lose weight while following a diet instead of just eating a lot less like most guys do the t-dawg diet works great and I am pretty sure it would work to gain muscle to…after losing the 7 lbs you would think that I I lost a lot of strength but after doing it and following TBT I gained the little muscle I have and strength my bencg went from like 135 to 160. my deadlift from 150 to 205. Not big numbers but improvements.

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You may have lost muscle and still got stronger. As a beginner almost all the improvements in strength you make are neural (improved coordination). Honestly with a 150 lb deadlift, just walking into a gym would give you a bigger pull.

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You really should take a look at this site.There is a wealth of information on this site and all the questions you have about your physical goal can be answered by spending a few hours just wondering around the site.

With that being said it seems that your questions have been answered. Its not what you want to hear but everyone here has told you the same thing.

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so is there any amount of calories I should be eating or should I just eat eat and then eat some more. Any advice on what type of training would be best full body like TBT? upper/lower split, body part split?

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I actually felt sorry for you reading through the first page of this thread. Being a ‘beginner’ myself I thought I would shed what knowledge I know on you, but christ… This has been 2 pages of repetition.

The thing with this site is that the guys on here can be SO informative, but get pissed off if you don’t do some work yourself. Have you never heard of Google or Yahoo? They can give you lot’s of information. To not be flamed - do research yourself and stuff you can’t find out or understand, ask that!

And after 2 pages you’ve got it. The basic aim for beginner is eat big, lift heavy. Whoever it was that said the quote like eat eat eat then going for a milkshake. Brilliant.

Also try a weight gaining supp, maybe ProGain by maximuscle, that is a good product and actualy tastes alright.

Your thinking too deep into your workout.

EAT & LIFT!

Please let the repetitiveness end :(.