[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
How the heck do you edit the thread title? Video of the throws may take a while. Two hours of editing video files just went down the tube.[/quote]
Go to the first post you made in the thread, click on edit and that’ll let you edit the thread title.
Thanks skidmark.
5/5 Weightlifting
Cleans: 65/3, 80/3, 90/3, 97.5/3, 105/3, 112.5/3
Jerks: 65/3, 80/3, 90/3, 97.5/3, 105/3, 112.5/3
Clean Dead Lifts: (125/5)3
Step Up with Jump: (BW+20lbs/6)3
Still going strong on day two of the heavy week. The 112.5/3 cleans and jerks are recent prs (its been at least 5 years since I’ve done that much.) Jerks were very well placed, could feel the weight slightly behind me, pulling me back during the recovery.
Got my first meet lined up for 5/23 in Nashville. Right now I’ll be happy to pick up one of the implements. Pretty sure John Nespoli will be there so I might just accidentally drop a shot on his head so I’ve got a chance.
hel, great to hear you are getting back into the mix of things right away. Is that the Steel Throwers Open you are talking about? What events are you going to do? Since your strength will probably be off a little due to the damn snake, maybe it will be a good thing, allowing you to focus on a lot of things other than distance: technique, details of warmups, etc. Or do you think your strength will be back up by that time? Good luck, I look forward to the results and report. You would be doing me a favor too by dropping the shot on Nespoli. He’s already thrown 16m this year.
Carl, like the name change…
The heavy weight is very impressive, I am very envious. Nice to see the breakdown of your
1,2 & 3 turn throws. (for you bodyweight, I find it amazing, )
what are your distance expectations this year for the hammer and disc.
how did you go on the science project ???
[quote]hel320 wrote:
Got my first meet lined up for 5/23 in Nashville. Right now I’ll be happy to pick up one of the implements. Pretty sure John Nespoli will be there so I might just accidentally drop a shot on his head so I’ve got a chance. [/quote]
I think the foot would do fine. Easier to look like an accident.
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
hel, great to hear you are getting back into the mix of things right away. Is that the Steel Throwers Open you are talking about? What events are you going to do? Since your strength will probably be off a little due to the damn snake, maybe it will be a good thing, allowing you to focus on a lot of things other than distance: technique, details of warmups, etc. Or do you think your strength will be back up by that time? Good luck, I look forward to the results and report. You would be doing me a favor too by dropping the shot on Nespoli. He’s already thrown 16m this year.[/quote]
You’re both bad! Hope it works, now I’m bad it’s contagious!
wow huge week
weights, field work and throwing, must be spring.
nice work
kmc
Terry, I’m hoping for 50m in both hammer and discus this year. Looking at the videos of hammer from this weekend, I can see a lot that needs to improve. The easy thing is to flatten out the orbit, especially on the first turn. But I also see the low point migrating right on each successive turn, ending up at about 30 degrees on the last turn.
I don’t know why it does that, or how to fix it except for being aware of it. For discus, I need to stay over the throw longer at the end, let those legs do their work. (that will help shot too.) As far as they are going right now, I feel like I have a lot more left in the weight throw.
As for the science project, oddly enough, when cold red water was injected into the bottom of a glass of hot water, we got a layer of red at the bottom of the glass. When hot red water was injected into the bottom of a glass of cold water, it rose to the top and formed a layer of red at the top of the glass. We got some really nice pictures of all that.
Here are 5 of the hammer throws from Sunday (if they load), ranging from the worst to the best. Throw 3 was the furthest at ~48m, throw 5 was the best technique wise.
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
Here are 5 of the hammer throws from Sunday (if they load), ranging from the worst to the best. Throw 3 was the furthest at ~48m, throw 5 was the best technique wise.[/quote]
I dont know much about throwing a cannon ball connected to a cable, but that was damn pretty to watch!
Thanks j_willy. The main point is to keep the ball in front of you while you turn and to feel its rhythm. Try to do the wrong thing at the wrong time and embarrassing things can happen. Once when I was first learning 3 turn throws, the hammer threw me about 5 ft in front of the ring.
Gee before the videos loaded I had a very funny message that my computer ate…
now that I can see them, …man have you got some meters in you when you smooth them out, 50 m yep, that sounds where you should be.
Normally people have the low point move back towards the 270 mark and they start dragging… don’t normally see what you are doing.
the symptom of it is where your right foot is landing, it is getting down too late, toe pointing straight ahead, not saying you should be a Tikhson or Devatoksy (especially after Bejing) but Dev really gets the right foot down early probably because he sits better than any guy today, among the women Moreno does it too
as to how to stop it, I will throw up countering more, but not having seen you before that may not be correct. If that was me, I would be trying to counter more going into 90 degs, that will lift the head of the ball a bit and hopefully get you to 0 low point through the turns.
I am probably putting my technical fix into your ptoblem, but my vote is countering…
In October last year we had a throw conference with Koji as the guest (seriously the man is a class act…not just as thrower but as a person) we did some video analysis of three top jrs men and women, and for such a technical event, I was very surprised by the input our national coaching group, including Stuart Rendell (12th Athens 10th Paris 2003). No flashes of brillance or dazzling insight, just basics, basics, basics
back to Koji last year, I was rapt to see some video of him power cleaning, looks just like me, back upright legs hop wide, none of this fancy dropping to catch the bar buddy…
just raw power and plenty of it (best of 195 at around 97) and he does not catch at the top, just like me, …would make my coach cringe…
195kg at 97 kg, !!!
His second best throw a 84m throw was at 94kgs…
[quote]Carl Darby wrote:
hel, great to hear you are getting back into the mix of things right away. Is that the Steel Throwers Open you are talking about? What events are you going to do? Since your strength will probably be off a little due to the damn snake, maybe it will be a good thing, allowing you to focus on a lot of things other than distance: technique, details of warmups, etc. Or do you think your strength will be back up by that time? Good luck, I look forward to the results and report. You would be doing me a favor too by dropping the shot on Nespoli. He’s already thrown 16m this year.[/quote]
Yep, it’s the Steel Thrower’s Meet. I entered all the events but we’ll see how I feel that day. Haven’t thrown the hammer or weight at all this year so not real sure about them. Watched your vid for inspiration so I’m going to try and get some hammer throws in after work today.
Thanks for the suggestion Terry. It’s definitely worth trying. Even if it turns out not to be the root of the problem, countering more is yet another place I need improvement anyway.
Good luck at the meet hel. Just showing up is a good part of the battle.
5/7 Weightlifting
Snatch: 60/3, 67.5/3, 75/3, 82.5/3, 90/3, 98/2, third rep at 98 wasn’t even close.
Squat: 85/5, 100/5, 112.5/5, 115/5, 117.5/5 hard, but not quite as hard as Monday
Bench: 65/5, 75/5, 85/5, 87.5/5, 90/5
Snatch Dead Lifts: (105/5)3
Box Jumps: (BW+50lbs/6)3
Carl, this came to me at 2.00am last night, I think you might be on your right foot too long at the start.
It is part of the counter thing, but right foot up too late, down too late, especially with your speed in the first turn.
You may be turning your left foot too far towards 180 before getting the toe back down. Don’t think this is the issue, but thought I would throw it in.
Think you are too long on your right.
Me I lift too early.
In hurry, lame attempts at humour will follow tomorrow…
Wow, my hammer throwing is the subject of late night thoughts? Right foot down too long could very well be the case. At my last meet, the UNLV throws coach was marking our throws and he made a comment that my right foot was way too early and short. I’ve been working on that and have apparently over compensated.I’ve been waiting as long as possible before lifting my right foot. I feel it lifting at about 160-170 degrees.
So for this weekend: step with the right earlier and counter more. I’ll let you know how successful I am at doing this and what the results are. Thanks for the input.
Yuri S. used to lift at around 90-110 but for normal human beings it is usually later, think 160-170 could be too late…
and don’t worry the 2.00am hammer coaching was fitted in betwen my shoulder mobilty problem, and dreaming of how much I could snatch if I had technique, not great technique but any crappy technique would do right now, just some technique…that took most of between 1.45 and 3.00,