This is their site…
http://www.lostbattalionhallweightlifting.org/
I have meant to get out there…
thanks again…
kmc
12/4
Snatch: 52.5/2, 63/2, 74/2, 85/1 90/1 95/1, (100/1)5
Squats: 100/3, 115/3, 127.5/3, (133/2)4
Bench: 70/3, 80/3, 90/3, (95/2)4
Snatch Dead Lift: (110/5)3
Pullups: ((BW+10)/3)3
Time: 55 min.
Much easier than Monday. Did an extra snatch because it felt like the 4th one had nowhere near the loop that these normally have. Wanted to get another rep with the improvement in there.
Last snatch. I unintentionally hit the zoom button, so parts of it are off the screen. The recovery was shaky partly because I’m not used to the weight being so far back at the bottom.
12/5
Clean and Jerk: 62.5/2, 75/2, 87.5/2, 100/1, 110/1, 115/1, (120/1)4
Front Squats: 95/3, 110/3, 120/3, (128/2)4
Press: 56/3, 64/3, 72/3, (76/2)4
Clean High Pulls: (132.5/5)3
Bent Rows: (70/5)3
Somewhat easier than Tuesday. Got 2 reps on the presses today. Easy week next week.
3rd clean and jerk (4th was ugly)
This week percentages work up to 80%, go back to sets of 2 or 3.
12/8
Snatch: 52.5/2, 63/2, 74/2, (85/2)2
Squats: 100/3, (112.5/3)2
Bench: 70/3, (80/3)2
Snatch High Pulls: (95/3)2
No pullups today, left forearm is sore from last week.
Time: ??? stopwatch’s battery died.
Powered the snatches. Tried a new idea about pulling under the bar that came from a technique discussion–never stop pulling, simply stop pushing on the platform as soon as the knees fully extend. Makes getting under the bar very quick.
Last set of snatches.
Again, last snatch set looks like a warm-up!!!
Thanks QT. This week is such a light week that those actually were just warmups. I warm up then go home.
12/09
Cleans: 62.5/2, 75/2, 87.5/2, (100/2)2
Jerks: 62.5/2, 75/2, 87.5/2, (100/2)2
Front Squats: 100/3, (110/3)2
Presses: 56/3, (64/3)2
Clean Dead Lifts: (120/5)3
Time: ~40 min.
Did hang cleans to practice catching lower, left out rows to rest the forearm.
The last two cleans. I’m a little late both starting under and catching the bar. Still way to high on the catch. Less pull up, more pull under.
The view west from in front of the gym. Mummy Mountain in the background, my classroom is at the far end of the closest building just right of center. We are at about 8500 feet elevation.
I knew those windows, where hiding something.
your lifts are good, and look great.
I like that your program is so linear for lack of a better word its very direct.
kmc
Thanks kcm. I should have checked up on recent history before making that offer. One of the guys doesn’t lift at lost battalion hall anymore, but at a commercial gym that sounds much like the one you lift at. The other I can’t get in touch with.
12/11
Snatch: 52.5/2, 63/2, 74/2, (85/2)2
Squats: 100/3, (112.5/3)2
Bench: 70/3, (80/3)2
Hang snatches: (80/1)20 missed reps 3,4, (in front) and 9 (behind).
Did hang snatches on the 85s, They were so fun I did hang snatches instead of dead lifts at the end. 20 reps with about 30 second rest between them. That was almost as much fun as throwing hammer. It felt like I was catching them very low, but I have deceived myself on that one before. Unfortunately, I forgot to bring the video camera.
Carl, very, very impressive. I appreciate this question may be a little embarrassing but would you be the best combo of masters thrower, lifter in the US at the moment.
Know Danny Johns is still out there with his throws, and not aware of his lifts at the moment and Ron Summers is still very impressive, but your all round throws are outstanding, but considering your weight, they are down right amazing.
Background on me, did OL under our OZ nat coaches back when I was a kiddie, and now do masters throw on weight (14.81m comp 16.15 train and superweight (7.72m como 8.41m train.)and having not thrown when young they are very, very frustrating, but getting better. As I have not mastered these not wasting time learning the others.
Was at the US indoors in Boston in 2007, sitting outside the cage, when Rich Watson says “you know Terry, it is elastic power that goes first”, and from what I have seen I beleive he is right. Not actual flexibilty but the snap you get when a muscle is stretched and forced to contract.
You have the snap of someone way younger than your years, amazing.
Think Bondarchuck was talking about you when he said American throwers spend too much time in the weight room and you don’t need huge numbers to throw far. Don’t get me wrong, your strength is outstanding, but your speed strength is amazing. (and you will note I did not say for your age.)
Great page.
Sorry, forgot to actually ask a lifting question. Saw you vid of your 154kg clean pull. I pull around same and have found my limiter to be erectors. At some point around mid shin the bar speed is going well, it is accelerating but feel my arch about to go.
Feel if my erectors were stronger could pull much more. It is not the weight limiting my back (have done snatch grip deads with 145kg x 8 with good speed) but the faster I clean pull the more my back feels like the limiter.
What muscles are the limiter on the that 154kg.
Sorry if question is not that clear, hope you can work it out through all the rambling.
[quote]wasBr0k3n wrote:
love the vids, keep em coming. inspirational.[/quote]
lol I love willie. “Greese me up woman!”
GMH, thanks for all the compliments. The embarrassing question first. I would rank both of the guys you mentioned above me as best combined o-lifter/thrower in the US.
Dan beats me easily in any throw except shot (I vow to catch him in hammer this year though), the last I heard, his lifts were about the same as mine, giving me a slight advantage there due to lower weight class.
Ron is a better hammer and weight thrower than I am, we’re about even in shot, I don’t think he throws discus or javelin. Our snatch and clean and jerk are also very close, so again based on weight class, I get a sleight advantage. He is 5 years older though, so that gives him an overall advantage.
I would throw more if I could, but the nearest ring is 30 miles away. I can only arrange the time to go once a week. Anyway, several years ago I tired keeping both throws and lifting at a high level simultaneously and ended up getting very sick and forced into a 6 month layoff. I’m only going to focus on one from now on and hopefully stay healthy.
On the high pulls, the erectors are the limiting factor with me also. I could probably hold position up to 160kg. But since I can only front squat about 140, its not a problem.
Hammer and weight are very difficult to learn on your own. Probably more so than o-lifting. Those are some pretty decent marks. How many turns do you do? I am going back to work on two turn throws for a while.
The second turn on my three turn throws has not been very productive lately. When my two turns get better, I’ll start working on three again. I have found with weight, the orbit needs to be very flat on all but the last turn. Otherwise I risk getting thrown by the weight.
And finally, I ran into Dr. Watson at the one and only track meet I did this year. He’s still holding together and makes a meet more interesting, both when he throws and in between throws.
Weight kind of self selected itself after I spent 6 hard months moving my discus from 30.5m to 34m, my 7’ wrists don’t make shot viable and hammer involves long drives.
Those marks are for 2 turns, though I have just finished a cycle of 3 turners, positions improved but have started off again from scratch yestday. Back to drills and lots of turns
As impressed as I am with your throwing, you have kind of made me readdress some very strongly held beliefs.
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that OLs themselves are not enough for throwing. Great in conjuction with other lifts puds specific strength work, but by themselves, not enough.
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that master athletes slow down and masters throwers compensate for lack of speed by better use of momentum (we get bigger as the implements get lighter)
Got to ask do you know what your current best with the 35 weight is and how does it compare with your best with your 25?
have a good weekend…
Terry
If I can weigh in on this subject, GMH454. When I first came back to throwing I was very disappointed to find that though I was getting strong again my throws weren’t reflecting it. Having thrown against some of the best in this country in my age group I can say it’s those who’ve managed to retain the speed who are still putting it out there the farthest. Carl is by far getting the most distance per bodyweight of anyone and I have to attribute that to his OL explosiveness and overall throwing technique.
BTW Carl, I’ve thrown against Jim Wentenhall several times, 52+ hammer, has gone 20 in the 25 WT and 11+ in the 56. Only uses 2 turns in all his throws.
Terry, I agree that OLs are not enough for throwers, but if you have to pick and choose, they do come close. Besides the rotational aspects, throws involve greater speeds and a greater reliance on stretch reflex. I would be training differently if I was preparing for track and field nationals instead of weightlifting.
Your second point is emphasized by the relatively small increases in distance that are common when throwers hit the 50-54 age bracket and start throwing the lighter implements. I’m not sure I understand the thing about momentum though. I do know that being relatively small for a thrower is less of a disadvantage with the lighter implements.
I’ve had one session with the 35 in the last year, most throws were between 14 and 15m. My best with the 25 is ~18.5m, most throws are in the 16.5-17.5m range. Those were all three turn throws.
It seems with two turns I’m able to keep a picture in my mind of the entire throw and get my body to more or less mirror that picture. I can’t do this with three turn throws yet. More drills and turns would help a lot, but right now I’m opting for O-lift work for most of my training energy.