[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
[quote]pulphero wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
[quote]pulphero wrote:
[quote]marshaldteach wrote:
No muscles missing, are you a troll? Will your arms grow if your bench increases from 135 - 275, yes… but not nearly as much as if you actually trained arms
people who recommend SS or do SS are just lazy and don’t want to get on a real routine
lol at thinking you are going to get huge from drugs + SS
how will drugs help on a routine that is so low volume and low frequency, and neglects most of your body?
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Your thinking is warped in a way I’m not getting. There are literally no muscles not receiving stimulus from these lifts. Go to ExRx and look at the muscles used–hell pick a site with some kinesiology in-put, anyone you want if you think that one is crap and you’ll easily see systemic exercises work…wait for it…systemically.
Drugs will help on a program of low volume and low frequency in a very easy and common way. Instead of sarcoplasmic balloon BS pump masturbation you cause damage to the muscle fibers. Deep trauma caused by heavy weight for low reps. The juice heightens protein synthesis beyond normal healing levels and you have much thicker fibers (which equals bigger muscles).
You needed this explained to you? You don’t even seem to know what you don’t know. Google John Grimek who predates the 1953 introduction of juice and see what a routine of basically just squats and DB presses built. Once you see the images imagine what that physique would have looked like on as little as 20mg of D-bol a day.
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stimulus, maybe… adequate stimulus, no
i see people on strength routines with tiny arms, calves, legs… all because of their low rep range and intentionally neglecting muscle
so drugs change the kind of hypertrophy you get while doing the same exact routine, interesting… I guess you need the elevated protein synthesis for doing the same exact routine that people w/o steroids seem to have no trouble recovering from
John Grimek wasn’t doing just squats and DB presses, lol
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Nothing you wrote made sense. AAS speed recover of damaged fibers. Low volume, low frequency but heavy work causes damage. AAS help heal. This is something you don’t get?
The bodily response between sarcoplasmic swelling and thickened fibers from repaired damage is something you also don’t get? Really?
You think calves aren’t worked in dead, cleans, and squats? Work 'em first then go do the big exercises–see how they feel. Hell see if you can complete a squat set with pre=fatigued calves You’ll thank me for your education and it won’t even take you 20 years to catch up.
I’ll leave The Grimek out of it for now–I was making a point about how he spent large chunks of his training time as an illustration but it got off track and I wasn’t typing as clear as I needed to. It did sound like that was all I thought he did when I only meant he devoted months at times only doing those things. I’ll take the mea culpa on the bad communication.[/quote]
again, why would you need AAS to run SS?
I’m pretty sure the point of AAS is so you could train more frequently, so something like SS would be garbage (not to mention it leaves out a lot of muscles)
if you think 3x5 squats are enough for calves you are really dumb, I don’t know what else to say…
maybe dumb people who run SS really believe this garbage though (they tend to have tiny calves as well)
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I think you’re starting to realize just how much you’re slipping in this discussion and it’s making you mad enough to start straw manning.
I never said you would need AAS to run SS. What I said was that given the pan-pharmacia that is BB you could run a SS template, introduce the drug volume and not worry one bit about under developed hamstrings or rear delts–all while doing the SS just the way it’s written–mainly because it leaves out not one muscle [and your repeating that it does over and over again isn’t going to change the fact that systemic exercises cause the body to grow (again…wait for it…)systemically.]
You need to to look this word ‘systemtic’ up if you’re going to argue with me so that you understand what I’m saying. I feel like an 1800’s explorer trying to explain to a wilderness native that, no, the moon isn’t a sky god–it’s just an extra orbital satellite.
As for you claiming you’ve seen legions (legions!) of Ripptoe acolytes with scrawny arms and no calves; okay. I take your anecdotal evidence as your anecdotal evidence. But my experience just isn’t that. My calves didn’t grow when I did 3x5 squats with 135lbs. But by the time I had pushed my body weight up from 145lbs to 195lbs or so and my 3x5 to 300lbs (a feat that is hardly super cool though I had to work hard not lazy to do it) my calves were bigger. Ditto my arms when my 5-rep bench was 260 and press 175. I had lat spread once I entered the high 300’s and low 400s in my deads. Again, nothing a pro would brag about, but it was a complete ectomorph transformation for me.
I can only imagine what would have happened if I’d popped copious Anavar, shot some deca and HGH, then jammed the insulin before big meals while working out like that. Even without working out one single day more per week. Low volume, low frequency, moderate reps & sets, heavy (for me) weight. Plus milk.
Some how I doubt concentration curls and toe presses would have made a shit all difference.
We might have to agree to disagree which is fine because guys like you don’t admit when they’re wrong–especially on the internet. You think I’m an asshole and I think you need to unlearn everything you’ve ever been taught, read more Dan John, Wendler, Rippetoe and Brooks Kubrik and a lot less of the muscle comics with Jay Cutler on the cover.
Or we can continue trading insults ;-> 'cause I’m suppose to be writing an assignment and this gives me an excuse to procrastinate.
