I was wondering how people feel about this guy. While I was reading his most recent article I found myself starting to move further and further away from his beliefs that basic barbell > all.
Here’s the article:
You have to remember that he does a great job of making young athletes and beginners much stronger and bigger. For that audience, barbell lifts will be the most important lifts and most, if not all, would agree with that. However, that changes for more advanced lifters. I think Ben Bruno said that he was front squatting ~400 lbs before switching to primarly single leg training so he’s an example of someone more advanced that needs different stimulus.
I may not agree with everything he says, but the man gets results and I like how he believes in the basics.
He majors in the macro as opposed to the micro.
I once heard a quote somewhere along the lines of “Rippetoe is brilliant. He targets a young un-trained demographic who would see gains with just about anything. He almost guarantees success”.
I like Ripp. I think his knowledge and ability to teach barbell work is absolutely incredible. However, I kind of find it annoying that every beginner is told “Do starting strength” almost automatically. I’m not saying it doesn’t work, but it’s not the only way.
Coming back to the article posted at the top of this thread, I liked one of the comments in the livespill by Son_of_man in regards to the article: “Disappointed in you Rip. You’ve said some good stuff in the past. Now you just sound short-sighted and dogmatic”
He gets results, as stated above he’s deep rooted in the basics, he is funny as hell, his success list is a hell of a lot longer than his fail.
How many people do you see squatting with good form? Pressing?
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
How many people do you see squatting with good form? Pressing? [/quote]
This has nothing to do with Rippletoe or his program.
I don’t have a problem with him or his program actually. I do have a problem with people’s copy/paste auto-response in the beginner’s forum of “starting strength and GOMAD”. Having that much milk is sooooo wrong for a lot of people on so many levels, you just can’t blindly give that advice out to anyone. And as far as the program goes, it’s fine if you know you’re into powerlifting from the beginning but most people’s goals are aesthetic.
In this case there are better programs more specific to people’s goals. Don’t see anything wrong with a beginner getting onto a specific program in the beginning (and yes, such a program can still include compound lifts!).
[quote]flch95 wrote:
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
How many people do you see squatting with good form? Pressing? [/quote]
This has nothing to do with Rippletoe or his program.
I don’t have a problem with him or his program actually. I do have a problem with people’s copy/paste auto-response in the beginner’s forum of “starting strength and GOMAD”. Having that much milk is sooooo wrong for a lot of people on so many levels, you just can’t blindly give that advice out to anyone. And as far as the program goes, it’s fine if you know you’re into powerlifting from the beginning but most people’s goals are aesthetic.
In this case there are better programs more specific to people’s goals. Don’t see anything wrong with a beginner getting onto a specific program in the beginning (and yes, such a program can still include compound lifts!).[/quote]
With my tolerance to lactose if I went Gomad when I was younger after day 1 I would turn inside out the next morning…
I got my foundation and base from basics and barbell training so i advocate it. Kind of hard to master anything without knowing the foundation correctly.
He makes a great point about viewing a workout as training or exercise. He makes great points about strength being the basic limiting factor in everything (although not the first to make that point). However the idea of training is working towards a specific goal, so at some point specificity is going to have to become at least a part of the program to address the goal at hand. Working with college or younger pro athletes you don’t always have years to max out the primary movements before moving on to more targeted work for specific weaknesses.
Every kid who does starting strenght wants to BB so why the FUCK do you do a NONE BBing program.
Biggest waist of my time.
[quote]optheta wrote:
Every kid who does starting strenght wants to BB so why the FUCK do you do a NONE BBing program.
Biggest waist of my time. [/quote]
Maybe because it’s a great way to build a good strength base needed to put on mass.
Even Dante wrote that he has people do starting strength before DoggCrapp because it’s one of the best options.
Bummer that you did not get anything out of it.
I highly doubt most would argue that 5-6 major barbell movements are what they center their training around. The whole hubbub seemed to be based on him singling out BS squats in particular. But to be honest:
1.SS is shit.
2. I wouldn’t recommend people do it.
3. Riptoes philosophy of not majoring in the minors is something we could all benefit from once in a while.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Every kid who does starting strenght wants to BB so why the FUCK do you do a NONE BBing program.
Biggest waist of my time. [/quote]
Maybe because it’s a great way to build a good strength base needed to put on mass.
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Biggest bullshit I have ever heard.
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Every kid who does starting strenght wants to BB so why the FUCK do you do a NONE BBing program.
Biggest waist of my time. [/quote]
Maybe because it’s a great way to build a good strength base needed to put on mass.
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Biggest bullshit I have ever heard. [/quote]
So angry…deep breaths.
Biggest bullshit? Really?
Europe can’t be that depressing today Op.
[quote]optheta wrote:
Every kid who does starting strenght wants to BB so why the FUCK do you do a NONE BBing program.
Biggest waist of my time. [/quote]
Really? Then maybe that kid isn’t very smart in the first place and he should go look at Bodybuilding magazines to see what the Pro’s do to get all huge…
When I take a new beginner to start lifting weights we usually follow something very similar in design but tailored to their goals.
Program works, plain and simple.
[quote]optheta wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
Every kid who does starting strenght wants to BB so why the FUCK do you do a NONE BBing program.
Biggest waist of my time. [/quote]
Maybe because it’s a great way to build a good strength base needed to put on mass.
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Biggest bullshit I have ever heard. [/quote]
Enlighten us then, how should a new trainee start to train to put on strength and mass. Give us a sample workout please.
I will listen to him, over you, any day.
Saying his program doesn’t work, is flawed. It’s not the program, it’s you.
You don’t like it, that is fine. But saying that it is shit is only “your” opinion. Not a fact. You also discredit yourself as an open minded person when you say things like that.
Again, you don’t like it, fine. You do not have to agree with every program you come across.
Also, you don’t like his “writing”? Again, fine. That is your prerogative. It doesn’t make him wrong and you right or vice versa. It means you don’t agree.
Why people get their panties in a knot over such trivialities is just mind boggling.
Cheers
[quote]setto222 wrote:
I was wondering how people feel about this guy. While I was reading his most recent article I found myself starting to move further and further away from his beliefs that basic barbell > all.
Here’s the article:
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He has tons of knowledge and he’s done some good.
I think it is fair to say he doesn’t have a clue about bodybuilding and nutrition.
urgh, this again.
Rippetoe writes programs designed around teaching beginner to intermediate lifters the basic barbell lifts. That’s all he does. To say Rippetoe sucks is wrong, because he does what he does exceptionally well. When these discussions come up people point out that his programs are no good for bodybuilding. Rip doesn’t give a shit about bodybuilding. He gives a shit about the basic, barbell lifts, and that’s what he teaches with a huge degree of skill and success.
If you don’t want to do a program based off of the basic BB lifts, then you wouldn’t do one of Rip’s programs. That doesn’t make his programs bad, or make him a bad coach, it just means that your goals are not in line with what Rip teaches. Not everyone that lifts weights wants to get into bodybuilding or cares about things like making sure their rear delts or upper chest don’t lag. Some people just like to squat, bench and clean heavy. For these people, Rip’s programs like SS or the Texas Method are a fine choice for as long as they can progress without needing some kind of periodisation.
And he doesn’t recommend GOMAD for everyone, just the skinny teenage kids that need the calories.
You might not want to do one of his programs, but there is no denying that Rip is exceptional at coaching what he does, and his programs will most definitely get you strong in the basic lifts. If your goals require a different program, then do a different program. That doesn’t mean that there’s anything wrong with Rip’s programs, just that they don’t suit your goals.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
urgh, this again.
Rippetoe writes programs designed around teaching beginner to intermediate lifters the basic barbell lifts. That’s all he does. To say Rippetoe sucks is wrong, because he does what he does exceptionally well. When these discussions come up people point out that his programs are no good for bodybuilding. Rip doesn’t give a shit about bodybuilding. He gives a shit about the basic, barbell lifts, and that’s what he teaches with a huge degree of skill and success.
If you don’t want to do a program based off of the basic BB lifts, then you wouldn’t do one of Rip’s programs. That doesn’t make his programs bad, or make him a bad coach, it just means that your goals are not in line with what Rip teaches. Not everyone that lifts weights wants to get into bodybuilding or cares about things like making sure their rear delts or upper chest don’t lag. Some people just like to squat, bench and clean heavy. For these people, Rip’s programs like SS or the Texas Method are a fine choice for as long as they can progress without needing some kind of periodisation.
And he doesn’t recommend GOMAD for everyone, just the skinny teenage kids that need the calories.
You might not want to do one of his programs, but there is no denying that Rip is exceptional at coaching what he does, and his programs will most definitely get you strong in the basic lifts. If your goals require a different program, then do a different program. That doesn’t mean that there’s anything wrong with Rip’s programs, just that they don’t suit your goals.[/quote]
Well said RDS!
[quote]JFG wrote:
I will listen to him, over you, any day.
Saying his program doesn’t work, is flawed. It’s not the program, it’s you.
You don’t like it, that is fine. But saying that it is shit is only “your” opinion. Not a fact. You also discredit yourself as an open minded person when you say things like that.
Again, you don’t like it, fine. You do not have to agree with every program you come across.
Also, you don’t like his “writing”? Again, fine. That is your prerogative. It doesn’t make him wrong and you right or vice versa. It means you don’t agree.
Why people get their panties in a knot over such trivialities is just mind boggling.
Cheers[/quote]
Because people consistently recommend Starting Strength for people who want to get into Bodybuilding. It is a waste of time.