[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Is it possible to run 100 metres sub-10 sec? Hell yeah! For extremely geneticaly gifted individuals trained properly,that is.
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Of course it’s possible, it has been done and verified quite a bit.
Do you think the top competitive natural BBers in the world are extremely geniticaly gifted individuals who train properly?
[quote]gregron wrote:
Those old time strong men were performers, most of the time working for the circus.
The bearded lady was legit?
The 1,000 lb man was really 1,000lbs?
Those 500lb circus dumbbells were really 500lbs?
It was all a show. Stats were used to bring in customers who had never seen such incredible things. Yeah these guys were built, especially for back then, but to think that these guys 100 years ago are FAR AND AWAY surpassing what virtually any natural bodybuilder has done over the past 40 years or so is incredibly naive.[/quote]
bro are you trying to limit my progress with those statements?
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Hermann Goerner(1891.-1956.), 6ft 1 in. 265-293 lb. bodyweight during his career as a strongman
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Come on man… That guy is not 265-293 lbs. same hight but 60lbs (or so) heavier than Arnold while being “lean”???
Come on.[/quote]
This man was massive! He packed some serious muscle mass.He deadlifted 727 lb. with one hand.[/quote]
What could he deadlift with two hands?
This is getting ridiculous
[quote]gregron wrote:
Those old time strong men were performers, most of the time working for the circus.
The bearded lady was legit?
The 1,000 lb man was really 1,000lbs?
Those 500lb circus dumbbells were really 500lbs?
It was all a show. Stats were used to bring in customers who had never seen such incredible things. Yeah these guys were built, especially for back then, but to think that these guys 100 years ago are FAR AND AWAY surpassing what virtually any natural bodybuilder has done over the past 40 years or so is incredibly naive.[/quote]
I used old time wrestlers because they built their bodies in the pre-steroid era.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Those old time strong men were performers, most of the time working for the circus.
The bearded lady was legit?
The 1,000 lb man was really 1,000lbs?
Those 500lb circus dumbbells were really 500lbs?
It was all a show. Stats were used to bring in customers who had never seen such incredible things. Yeah these guys were built, especially for back then, but to think that these guys 100 years ago are FAR AND AWAY surpassing what virtually any natural bodybuilder has done over the past 40 years or so is incredibly naive.[/quote]
You are assuming what I think.Are you a mind reader?
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Is it possible to run 100 metres sub-10 sec? Hell yeah! For extremely geneticaly gifted individuals trained properly,that is.
[/quote]
Of course it’s possible, it has been done and verified quite a bit.
Do you think the top competitive natural BBers in the world are extremely geniticaly gifted individuals who train properly?[/quote]
I think this is a major point in this discussion, especially when the argument that such a feat is possible usually revolves around the negative effect of ‘setting limits’ on a trainee. In running, there were many feats that were previously thought to be undo-able, and yet people managed to accomplish them, despite the attitude of “it’s impossible” being so prevalent. So to me, that’s just a silly argument.
Sure people can argue on an internet site about how so and so looks to have accomplished this feat, but until an actual name is given of someone who started as a fully mature adult (having reached their ‘natural’ normal level of physical development), and taking into account steady bodyfat levels, puts on 80 lbs of scale weight with the same level of adipose (thus a constant), it will always be something that is argued. Besides, if it’s such a possible task, why aren’t there a bunch of names easily found who have done so?
From what I know of the top natural physique athletes, the #s they throw out concerning weights lifted, measurements, and muscle gained, is far far less than your average bodybuilding forum visitor claims of themselves.
Also, similar to the runners example; if looking at the top athletes in a field, over a large time frame (ie. non PED using bodybuilders since the 1950’s), doesn’t yield a picture that barring some true freak of nature all the way off the accepted spectrum of normal development, then you’re just too caught up in the notion of “if you think you can, or you think you can’t, you’re right.” In real life though, no matter how much I truly believe that I can build 30" muscular arms, it’s just not in the cards.
S
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Those old time strong men were performers, most of the time working for the circus.
The bearded lady was legit?
The 1,000 lb man was really 1,000lbs?
Those 500lb circus dumbbells were really 500lbs?
It was all a show. Stats were used to bring in customers who had never seen such incredible things. Yeah these guys were built, especially for back then, but to think that these guys 100 years ago are FAR AND AWAY surpassing what virtually any natural bodybuilder has done over the past 40 years or so is incredibly naive.[/quote]
I used old time wrestlers because they built their bodies in the pre-steroid era.[/quote]
uhhh 1956 was not pre-steroid.
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Its possible to build a lean 220 lb. if you are of average height.[/quote]
keep dreaming bro[/quote]
Did u not see all the black and white ‘Strogmnen’ posted above?[/quote]
None of them are lean…am I missing something? [/quote]
George Hackenschmidt is quite lean in that pic.
To say nobody can be 220lb lean and natural is absurd. [/quote]
I don’t believe that’s the kind of “lean” that’s being discussed though. More like sub 10…pretty close to stage-ready.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Hermann Goerner(1891.-1956.), 6ft 1 in. 265-293 lb. bodyweight during his career as a strongman
[/quote]
Come on man… That guy is not 265-293 lbs. same hight but 60lbs (or so) heavier than Arnold while being “lean”???
Come on.[/quote]
This man was massive! He packed some serious muscle mass.He deadlifted 727 lb. with one hand.[/quote]
What could he deadlift with two hands?[/quote]
1,454lbs obviously.
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Those old time strong men were performers, most of the time working for the circus.
The bearded lady was legit?
The 1,000 lb man was really 1,000lbs?
Those 500lb circus dumbbells were really 500lbs?
It was all a show. Stats were used to bring in customers who had never seen such incredible things. Yeah these guys were built, especially for back then, but to think that these guys 100 years ago are FAR AND AWAY surpassing what virtually any natural bodybuilder has done over the past 40 years or so is incredibly naive.[/quote]
You are assuming what I think.Are you a mind reader?
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Do you know what assuming means?
I didn’t put any words in your mouth. I asked you questions? I asked if you thought those other circus tricks (like the strongman you listed) were actually legit? That is not assuming, it’s called asking a question.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Is it possible to run 100 metres sub-10 sec? Hell yeah! For extremely geneticaly gifted individuals trained properly,that is.
[/quote]
Of course it’s possible, it has been done and verified quite a bit.
Do you think the top competitive natural BBers in the world are extremely geniticaly gifted individuals who train properly?[/quote]
I think this is a major point in this discussion, especially when the argument that such a feat is possible usually revolves around the negative effect of ‘setting limits’ on a trainee. In running, there were many feats that were previously thought to be undo-able, and yet people managed to accomplish them, despite the attitude of “it’s impossible” being so prevalent. So to me, that’s just a silly argument.
Sure people can argue on an internet site about how so and so looks to have accomplished this feat, but until an actual name is given of someone who started as a fully mature adult (having reached their ‘natural’ normal level of physical development), and taking into account steady bodyfat levels, puts on 80 lbs of scale weight with the same level of adipose (thus a constant), it will always be something that is argued. Besides, if it’s such a possible task, why aren’t there a bunch of names easily found who have done so?
From what I know of the top natural physique athletes, the #s they throw out concerning weights lifted, measurements, and muscle gained, is far far less than your average bodybuilding forum visitor claims of themselves.
Also, similar to the runners example; if looking at the top athletes in a field, over a large time frame (ie. non PED using bodybuilders since the 1950’s), doesn’t yield a picture that barring some true freak of nature all the way off the accepted spectrum of normal development, then you’re just too caught up in the notion of “if you think you can, or you think you can’t, you’re right.” In real life though, no matter how much I truly believe that I can build 30" muscular arms, it’s just not in the cards.
S[/quote]
Exactly.
It’s not like saying that something has never happened before will stop someone from achieving it if it is indeed possible.
It’s impossible to fly to the moon. Done.
It’s impossible to run a sub 4 minute mile. Done.
It’s impossible to sky dive from outer space. Done.
It’s impossible to run a sub 10 second 100M. Done.
It’s impossible to win 7 Tour De Frances in a row. Trolololol
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Those old time strong men were performers, most of the time working for the circus.
The bearded lady was legit?
The 1,000 lb man was really 1,000lbs?
Those 500lb circus dumbbells were really 500lbs?
It was all a show. Stats were used to bring in customers who had never seen such incredible things. Yeah these guys were built, especially for back then, but to think that these guys 100 years ago are FAR AND AWAY surpassing what virtually any natural bodybuilder has done over the past 40 years or so is incredibly naive.[/quote]
bro are you trying to limit my progress with those statements?[/quote]
You read it bro, you’re already limited. Sorry.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Those old time strong men were performers, most of the time working for the circus.
The bearded lady was legit?
The 1,000 lb man was really 1,000lbs?
Those 500lb circus dumbbells were really 500lbs?
It was all a show. Stats were used to bring in customers who had never seen such incredible things. Yeah these guys were built, especially for back then, but to think that these guys 100 years ago are FAR AND AWAY surpassing what virtually any natural bodybuilder has done over the past 40 years or so is incredibly naive.[/quote]
I used old time wrestlers because they built their bodies in the pre-steroid era.[/quote]
uhhh 1956 was not pre-steroid. [/quote]
steroid was already being administered to soldiers in WW2 some say it was available before that…
as far as imagining how much bigger these guys would be using today’s training and diet…the answer is probably not much at all if they remained natural. The only variables since then are drugs (this is true in every sport) and increase in avg height. Your ultra advanced intra-workout shake and biceps peak routine are marginal improvements if any at all.
In fact they would be better off doing the strongman stuff they did that resulted in those rugged physiques, they also had plenty of organic (good) food and rest. Today we have the internet and countless contradictory styles of training that confuse the trainee more than help him stick to a plan and listen to his body, junk food, stressful 9to5 jobs ect ect.
Don’t let high jumpers and long jumpers learn about gravity. You will limit their progress.
Actually, I’m not sure the guys with the best genetics for the sport would choose to stay all-natural all their lives, assuming they were serious about the sport.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Do you think the top competitive natural BBers in the world are extremely geniticaly gifted individuals who train properly?[/quote]
[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:
Actually, I’m not sure the guys with the best genetics for the sport would choose to stay all-natural all their lives, assuming they were serious about the sport.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Do you think the top competitive natural BBers in the world are extremely geniticaly gifted individuals who train properly?[/quote]
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Why? What would be the incentive considering nothing special happens financially when nothing special happens for 99 percent of people who earn an IFBB pro card?
[quote]jeremielemauvais wrote:
Actually, I’m not sure the guys with the best genetics for the sport would choose to stay all-natural all their lives, assuming they were serious about the sport.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Do you think the top competitive natural BBers in the world are extremely geniticaly gifted individuals who train properly?[/quote]
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lol weired you sound alot like profX.
wait! so now people who choose to remain natural are not serious about the sport?
you cant look at guys like stu, cordova, layne norton and alberto nunez and tell me they dont have great genetics for bodybuilding.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Marzouk wrote:
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Its possible to build a lean 220 lb. if you are of average height.[/quote]
keep dreaming bro[/quote]
Did u not see all the black and white ‘Strogmnen’ posted above?[/quote]
None of them are lean…am I missing something? [/quote]
George Hackenschmidt is quite lean in that pic.
To say nobody can be 220lb lean and natural is absurd. [/quote]
I don’t believe that’s the kind of “lean” that’s being discussed though. More like sub 10…pretty close to stage-ready. [/quote]
I think Hackenscmidt is not far from 10 % bf in that pic,but hey,since he is not 4-5 % bf stage ready,his muscles are no good!