You can’t possibly say that. No way you could ever get this kind of data.
There could be unicorns out in the middle of the rainforest eating McRainys sandwiches all day and playing Rainbowball but never get the opportunities to make it in the big time.
But everyone knows that the real fame isn’t in being a unicorn. So why would the unicorns with the most potential and the best genetics stay a unicorn? They would do whatever it takes to get rid of that horn and get into the Kentucky Derby as a real horse.
That’s what some of you here don’t seem to understand. Your putting limits on what every unicorn can do and that doesn’t help anyone.
Unicorn newbs are going to read this and never lose their horn to chase their dreams because of these limits.[/quote]
What’s the point of stating a limit when it’s dependent on so many variables, is highly inaccurate, and generally useless?
I really don’t understand
Whenever there is an exception to this vague, crappy limit, someone says “they are too young, too tall, too light, if they were normal weight, ”
Maybe if the person who came up with this stupid limit wrote it as achievable LBM/height it would be more applicable but there’d still be exceptions to the rule so I don’t get the purpose of it? Is it so people who stop gaining muscle around a certain weight can say “I must have hit that limit” and not try to surpass it?
Dude, the bottom line is, it is an incorrect statement. Even Casey Butt said his own theories may not apply to some African Americans…and he is the one I assume you are getting these “numbers” from.
If people can do it, telling them they can’t does what?
Are you saying if someone starts at 90lbs and gets to even 200lbs that you will only count “80lbs” of that as muscle or less?..and you are doing this without autopsy?[/quote]
alright then give me one example of any natural athlete, bodybulder or fucking random basketball player that has gained 80lb of MUSCLE, ill wait.
In most sports it takes 10 years to reach a world medal.
12 pounds year 1 and 2, plus 3 pounds years 3-10 = 48.
Add 10-20% genetically gifted = about 55 if lucky and no injury.
My friend gained 95 but it was helped, he had cancer and took meds.
He believed sooooo much he did not even trained.
Dude, the bottom line is, it is an incorrect statement. Even Casey Butt said his own theories may not apply to some African Americans…and he is the one I assume you are getting these “numbers” from.
If people can do it, telling them they can’t does what?
Are you saying if someone starts at 90lbs and gets to even 200lbs that you will only count “80lbs” of that as muscle or less?..and you are doing this without autopsy?[/quote]
alright then give me one example of any natural athlete, bodybulder or fucking random basketball player that has gained 80lb of MUSCLE, ill wait.[/quote]
Dude, the bottom line is, it is an incorrect statement. Even Casey Butt said his own theories may not apply to some African Americans…and he is the one I assume you are getting these “numbers” from.
If people can do it, telling them they can’t does what?
Are you saying if someone starts at 90lbs and gets to even 200lbs that you will only count “80lbs” of that as muscle or less?..and you are doing this without autopsy?[/quote]
alright then give me one example of any natural athlete, bodybulder or fucking random basketball player that has gained 80lb of MUSCLE, ill wait.[/quote]
Dude, the bottom line is, it is an incorrect statement. Even Casey Butt said his own theories may not apply to some African Americans…and he is the one I assume you are getting these “numbers” from.
If people can do it, telling them they can’t does what?
Are you saying if someone starts at 90lbs and gets to even 200lbs that you will only count “80lbs” of that as muscle or less?..and you are doing this without autopsy?[/quote]
alright then give me one example of any natural athlete, bodybulder or fucking random basketball player that has gained 80lb of MUSCLE, ill wait.[/quote]
Dude, the bottom line is, it is an incorrect statement. Even Casey Butt said his own theories may not apply to some African Americans…and he is the one I assume you are getting these “numbers” from.
If people can do it, telling them they can’t does what?
Are you saying if someone starts at 90lbs and gets to even 200lbs that you will only count “80lbs” of that as muscle or less?..and you are doing this without autopsy?[/quote]
alright then give me one example of any natural athlete, bodybulder or fucking random basketball player that has gained 80lb of MUSCLE, ill wait.[/quote]
Jean Pascal was a 175 pounds world champ boxer about 2 years ago. He trains at the same gym i go to. He is 5 11 so he boxed at about 189 we agree lean. He is a small guy who could have boxed at 160. Young he added KOs and lost perspective. He added all the muscles he could to be popular and he forgot that meant his opponents got taller and stronger. That is what dreaming can do.
Between 15 and 30yo he added about 45.
In some areas many people reach 125 yo because they get respect (and when they were borned there was no record keeping). When being big earns respect we need official weigh done by a source we can trust.
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
If I would have to give a parameter it would be 40% growth in size compared to your untrained muscle mass. A certain poundage is just stupid. I’m sure andre the giant gained way more then 80lbs of muscle. Same goes for the 6’4" guy compared to the 5’6" on. Remember X is a really tall guy so his case study is he still can see his abs, other lines that indicate a well muscled physique and has gained a shitload of mass (maybe 80 lbs, who really cares). I’m at 6’2" 240 and can still see my top four abs, my adonis belt and have never touched AAS. I also put on fat in the same layer all over my body. Bodybuilding is all about creating the best illusion of size anyways[/quote]
Andre the Giant was morbidly obese, and if I remember correctly, had an endocrinological disease. I bet if we knew his bodyfat percentage, he’d be holding and have built less LBM than most would estimate.
I think X is 5’10" or 5’11". That’s not tall.
People distribute fat and display vascularity in different ways. There are strongman competitors with 25 to 30% bodyfat with vasularity in their arms and separation in their quads. That muscularity and vascularity doesn’t change the fact that they’re holding their respective bodyfat percentages. [/quote]
Yea, he had a damaged pituitary and technically never stopped growing. But I think anyone would agree the man gained more then 80 lbs muscle through training and continued.
I was just giving the situation where someone who probably gained 80 lbs LBM.
Bodybuilding isn’t about weight in pounds. It is about size shape and symmetry. This argument defining a weight “the best” statistic outlier can gain is just dumb.
Percent muscle size of untrained mass is a better indicator. I would put that at 40% more size gained if you start untrained. What would you guys say?
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
If I would have to give a parameter it would be 40% growth in size compared to your untrained muscle mass. A certain poundage is just stupid. I’m sure andre the giant gained way more then 80lbs of muscle. Same goes for the 6’4" guy compared to the 5’6" on. Remember X is a really tall guy so his case study is he still can see his abs, other lines that indicate a well muscled physique and has gained a shitload of mass (maybe 80 lbs, who really cares). I’m at 6’2" 240 and can still see my top four abs, my adonis belt and have never touched AAS. I also put on fat in the same layer all over my body. Bodybuilding is all about creating the best illusion of size anyways[/quote]
Andre the Giant was morbidly obese, and if I remember correctly, had an endocrinological disease. I bet if we knew his bodyfat percentage, he’d be holding and have built less LBM than most would estimate.
I think X is 5’10" or 5’11". That’s not tall.
People distribute fat and display vascularity in different ways. There are strongman competitors with 25 to 30% bodyfat with vasularity in their arms and separation in their quads. That muscularity and vascularity doesn’t change the fact that they’re holding their respective bodyfat percentages. [/quote]
Yea, he had a damaged pituitary and technically never stopped growing. But I think anyone would agree the man gained more then 80 lbs muscle through training and continued.
I was just giving the situation where someone who probably gained 80 lbs LBM.
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None of this is even relevant to the discussion considering he had a legitimate medical condition, but just for the sake of arguing, even considering he was 7’4", I still don’t think he gained 80 pounds of LBM. He was a fat guy, I can’t even say with certainty that he even lifted weights.
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
Bodybuilding isn’t about weight in pounds. It is about size shape and symmetry. This argument defining a weight “the best” statistic outlier can gain is just dumb.
Percent muscle size of untrained mass is a better indicator. I would put that at 40% more size gained if you start untrained. would you guys say? [/quote]
What do you mean by : “Percent muscle size of untrained mass is a better indicator”?
Some years back a 20 yo male 5 9 would have been considered average at 150.
If he used resistance training to max his muscle mass over 10 years could he add 60 pounds of lean muscles(missing the easy 80)?
Why did Arnold win so often at 6 2 with help under 230?
Did he had bad genetics?
[quote]SKELAC wrote:
Its possible to build a lean 220 lb. if you are of average height.[/quote]
keep dreaming bro[/quote]
Well,BRO,if it isnt possible,could you care to explain the example of George Hackenschmidt,wrestler born in 1877. who was of lean 220 lb. at height of 5ft 9?
Dude, the bottom line is, it is an incorrect statement. Even Casey Butt said his own theories may not apply to some African Americans…and he is the one I assume you are getting these “numbers” from.
If people can do it, telling them they can’t does what?
Are you saying if someone starts at 90lbs and gets to even 200lbs that you will only count “80lbs” of that as muscle or less?..and you are doing this without autopsy?[/quote]
alright then give me one example of any natural athlete, bodybulder or fucking random basketball player that has gained 80lb of MUSCLE, ill wait.[/quote]
Hermann Goerner(1891.-1956.), 6ft 1 in. 265-293 lb. bodyweight during his career as a strongman
