Things for Faster Bulking

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Okay, so I’m a junior in college and am currently 5’10" 175 lbs and a decent body fat (I’d say 13% max, no more than 14 though), and have a ridiculously clean diet that has the perfect %'s of fats,proteins, and carbs, and the right kinds of fats, proteins, and carbs for the right times too at that, along with the amount of calories necessary for me to gain weight.

I would really like to be 205-210 pounds by sometime in the beginning of senior year, but also with about the same bodyfat as I have now, but no more than 15%.

What I’m wondering is, assuming my lifting program is on the right track, diet is on the right track, and sleep is on the right track, are there any supplements that would aid in this progression coming along faster, to maybe even get up to like 195 before 2nd semester this school year comes around, remaining at the same bodyfat?

I was reading up on Methoxy-7, zma, and possibly tribulus, and I already have spike. They sound like pretty solid things, assuming all the other things are in order.

I know this is a question that will probably annoy a lot of people, but as I said, everything is on track for me as you all always suggest doing first before resorting to supps.

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[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
Okay, so I’m a junior in college and am currently 5’10" 175 lbs and a decent body fat (I’d say 13% max, no more than 14 though), and have a ridiculously clean diet that has the perfect %'s of fats,proteins, and carbs, and the right kinds of fats, proteins, and carbs for the right times too at that, along with the amount of calories necessary for me to gain weight.

I would really like to be 205-210 pounds by sometime in the beginning of senior year, but also with about the same bodyfat as I have now, but no more than 15%.

What I’m wondering is, assuming my lifting program is on the right track, diet is on the right track, and sleep is on the right track, are there any supplements that would aid in this progression coming along faster, to maybe even get up to like 195 before 2nd semester this school year comes around, remaining at the same bodyfat?

I was reading up on Methoxy-7, ZMA, and possibly tribulus, and I already have Spike. They sound like pretty solid things, assuming all the other things are in order.

I know this is a question that will probably annoy a lot of people, but as I said, everything is on track for me as you all always suggest doing first before resorting to supps. [/quote]

the first thing everyone’s going to ask is, “how many calories are you taking in?” having a clean diet is all good and well, but if you’re not taking in enough calories, you’re not going to grow. i’d say that your perfect supplement is food. post your diet for us, and we’ll go from there.

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[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
Okay, so I’m a junior in college and am currently 5’10" 175 lbs and a decent body fat (I’d say 13% max, no more than 14 though), and have a ridiculously clean diet that has the perfect [/quote]

Nothing is perfect

[quote]%'s of fats,proteins, and carbs, and the right kinds of fats, proteins, and carbs for the right times too at that, along with the amount of calories necessary for me to gain weight.

I would really like to be 205-210 pounds by sometime in the beginning of senior year, but also with about the same bodyfat as I have now, but no more than 15%.

What I’m wondering is, assuming my lifting program is on the right track, diet is on the right track, and sleep is on the right track, are there any supplements that would aid in this progression coming along faster, to maybe even get up to like 195 before 2nd semester this school year comes around, remaining at the same bodyfat? [/quote]

First of all, why are you so focused on bodyfat %? While bodyfat is something to consider when you’ve hit your target, worrying about it at the same time as gaining muscle is just counterproductive. Understand this. Let go of your preconceived notion of bodyfat. It’s money in the bank. A store of quick energy, so your body doesn’t resort to breaking down muscle tissue for energy/fuel. Understand?

If you eat clean, your fat gain will be minimal, anyway. But your development will not be as great as if you threw in the towel and got serious and ate.

Second of all, there is no quick way short of using gear to get you to your goal by January… other than eating like a motherfucker. What’s the rush anyway? Isn’t this a lifelong thing for you? If not, then I’m wasting my time. If it is, then wake up. You’re not going to look perfect in a year or two. When you reach one goal, you make another and strive for that.

Is all this just to look good in your Abercrombie clothes? Or is it so you look like a man?

You’re 20 - you don’t need any test stimulating supps. Methoxy-7, Carbolin 19 may help, but you really need to give your natural bodies’ ability a chance before resorting to any supps other than protein. If you’re not gaining weight, then your not eating enough. Plain and simple. It’s not due to a lack of supplementation.

Take this into consideration: On your clean bulk, you may add 10 pounds a year. On mine, I may add 40. Then I’ll cut 20 fat off, and still be ahead of you when the horn sounds. Look at all the pro’s. They bulk. Seriously. Why? Because it works, man. Don’t be afraid of fat.

EAT

[quote]I was reading up on Methoxy-7, zma, and possibly tribulus, and I already have Spike. They sound like pretty solid things, assuming all the other things are in order.

I know this is a question that will probably annoy a lot of people, but as I said, everything is on track for me as you all always suggest doing first before resorting to supps. [/quote]

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Well, like others have said, food will be your best suppliment, lots of it.

Now that thats out of the way, and you said if routine, diet, and sleep were all in order. Lets just say it is.
You should start out with the basics like protein (Metabolic Drive), ZMA, and fish oils. I think Shugart said something to the effect of “if you take any suppliment, but not fish oils, its like buying a ferrari with no wheels.”

So, at this age with T pumping thru you like no other… I’d say stick with the basics. I guess if you really wanted, and had some extra cash, you could try HRX. Tim said its great for bulking because it’ll keep BF lower than a regular bulk, plus its got Carbolin 19 in it to help your body composition.

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Well first off I never said I was scared of gaining fat, it’s just I’ve kind of done a good job at avoiding it (and i bulked from 145 to 175 so far in just 7 months worth of time without gaining hardly any fat, so I think I’m doing something right bulk wise). And as I said, my diet is spot on, that doesn’t mean I’m eating too few calories, it means i’m eating the exact amount of caloried my body needs to grow about a pound a week. Here it is if you want to get specific…

Meal 1:
1 tbsp olive oil
5 egg whites
1 egg whole
1 serving smart balance butter
1 multi vitamin (ON brand)
1 serving unsalted peanuts
4 flax oil caps

Meal 2:
1 banana
1 cup oats
1 cup fat free milk
1 scoop protein powder

*2 hours later, 2 Spike caps

*20 minutes after taking Spike,

Meal 3:
1 cup oats

PWO Meal 4:
30g whey protein
30g maltodextrin
30g dextrose
5g creatine

Meal 5:
1 serving whole wheat pasta, no sauce
1 serving natural lowfat yogurt
8 oz grilled chicken breast, no sauce

Meal 6:
1 cup oats
1 can tuna
1 apple
3 servings broccoli

Meal 7:
3 servings broccoli
5 egg whites
1 egg whole
1 serving smart balance butter
2 tbsp olive oil
4 fish oil caps

Meal 8:
2 servings lowfat cottage cheese
1 serving unsalted peanuts
4 flax oil caps

TOTAL:3,900 Calories, 126g(30%) fat, 386g(38%) carbs, 288g (30%) protein

I don’t see how it could really get a whole lot cleaner than that.

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I should mention as well all this food is measured out o a digital food monitor, so the servings are exact.

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[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
I don’t see how it could really get a whole lot cleaner than that.
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Well, theres your problem. Not all bulks have to be clean. If you want to gain weight faster, you might have to add some more not so clean foods in there.

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but why do i HAVE to eat unclean foods as the extra? why not just add more olive oil and natural peanut butter or egg whites into it?

As well, i AM gaining weight every week! I am NOT stuck at a weight and not going up, i AM gaining weight. All I’m asking about in terms of supplements is taking them to maybe make that food even more effective and maybe I’d be able to bulk up another 5 more pounds than the intended on 185 in 10 weeks, to make it 190 instead in 10 weeks.

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I’m not much heavier than you at a similar bf% and i need more calories than that just to maintain my weight… Gradually add more calories

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[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
(and i bulked from 145 to 175 so far in just 7 months worth of time without gaining hardly any fat, so I think I’m doing something right bulk wise). [/quote]

If your routine has been working well enough to put on 30 pounds in 7 months, why would you attempt to change it in any way?

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[quote]eyver wrote:
relativelyfunguy wrote:
(and i bulked from 145 to 175 so far in just 7 months worth of time without gaining hardly any fat, so I think I’m doing something right bulk wise).

If your routine has been working well enough to put on 30 pounds in 7 months, why would you attempt to change it in any way?[/quote]

i don’t PLAN on changing my routine. i’m talking about simply adding in a supplement that certainly can’t hurt, and will probably only help.

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how about just changing the egg whites to whole eggs?

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[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
but why do i HAVE to eat unclean foods as the extra? why not just add more olive oil and natural peanut butter or egg whites into it?
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OK, you dont have to. The only nut product I saw in your diet was peanuts.

Add more nuts. Walnuts, cashews, peanuts are all calorie dense foods. Make a peanut butter and honey on whole wheat sandwich or two a day.

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(I’m eating a tasty poptart while writing this…)

I weigh as much as you do and I need a minimum of 3600 calories a day. I don’t have all day to eat so I chose more calorie dense foods on top of all the healthy meat and veggies I eat. Yeah I’ve gained some fat but I’m also gaining muscle and strength much more quickly than I ever have before.

You said you eat about 3900 calories a day. How long have you been eating that amount? Do you recalculate that every time you gain more weight? Are you slowly increasing your calories to make sure you are not only able to still maintain your bodyweight but have enough surplus to build muscle?

Or do you think you can keep eating 3900 calories the entire time you are doing your clean bulk? At some point during your bulking you will realize the value of calorie dense meals that don’t take an hour to eat.

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i gained weight A LOT faster when i dirtied up my clean eating. measuring food with a digital food monitor seems like a ridiculous waste of time.

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[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
Okay, so I’m a junior in college and am currently 5’10" 175 lbs and a decent body fat (I’d say 13% max, no more than 14 though), and have a ridiculously clean diet that has the perfect %'s of fats,proteins, and carbs, and the right kinds of fats, proteins, and carbs for the right times too at that, along with the amount of calories necessary for me to gain weight.

I would really like to be 205-210 pounds by sometime in the beginning of senior year, but also with about the same bodyfat as I have now, but no more than 15%.

What I’m wondering is, assuming my lifting program is on the right track, diet is on the right track, and sleep is on the right track, are there any supplements that would aid in this progression coming along faster, to maybe even get up to like 195 before 2nd semester this school year comes around, remaining at the same bodyfat?

I was reading up on Methoxy-7, zma, and possibly tribulus, and I already have spike. They sound like pretty solid things, assuming all the other things are in order.

I know this is a question that will probably annoy a lot of people, but as I said, everything is on track for me as you all always suggest doing first before resorting to supps. [/quote]

I wouldn’t start with any hormone theoropy, yet. Just keep up on the diet and it would probably be most effecient if you went and kept on the training programs from T-Nation authored by CT, CW, Staley, CP, etc.

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I once read Dave Tate had a guy eat three chocolate bars a days to help him bulk up faster. Worth a try.

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I think you are doing things right. Just make sure you keep raising your cals as you gain more weight. I also bulk and cut eating only clean foods and I’ve measured pretty much every meal on my digital scale for the past 2 years also. Once it’s habit it’s not a pain in the ass.

If you aren’t having a problem getting enough cals by only eating clean, there is no reason to dirty it up. So just keep on keeping on.
I think a pound a week is about the limit to gain and still stay at the same bf%.

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Add some fruit to your breakfast

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if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.