It’s not just deadlifting the bar that’s an inconvenience. It’s finding a bar, finding some clear floor space, dragging over some disks, putting the weights on the bar while it’s on the floor. All for a quick set or two of curls. Granted, it’s not as inconvenient or impractical as trying to squat without a rack, but it’s still probably more trouble than it’s worth.
The squat rack provides a greater convenience to squatters than curlers, but it’s more convenient for both people to use it. No exercise has a supreme legitimacy in the rack – rows, squats, rack pulls, curls, hang cleans, shrugs, etc. The nature of the rack is that you can use it for many things.
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I disagree. Any exercise that can ONLY be done in the rack has “supremm legitimacy” over any exercise that can be done somewhere else IMO.
Putting the disks on the bar while it is on the floor can be a pain in the ass depending on how agreeable the bar is. It’s the most annoying part of deadlifting. Sometimes I end up having to fight with the disks so much that I think it pre fatigues me. Sometimes I leave the empty bar on the floor while I go and find some 45’s and when I get back I find one of the gym personnel has put the bar back in the stand. For deadlifting the inconveniences are worth it, but the same isn’t true for curls.
As far as legitimacy goes, the person with the most legitimacy is whoever got there first.
Again, this thread isn’t about time being wasted. It’s about people who can’t find anything meaningful to bitch about. It’s about people trying to pull superiority over novices. Why else would people say it’s ok to squat rack curl as long as your curling over 135 lbs?
I really can’t understand Racarnus’ point. In fact, putting the disks on the bar for deadlifting is one of the things I like. It really prepares me mentally, so I can make the lift. You can use push’s tip, and if the plates are identical, you don’t even need it.
I can’t begin to comprehend how the hell should one need the squat rack for putting the weight on a curl bar.
P.S. Have you ever seen some of 'em - curling guys - using the bar from a bench?
I have a bad lower back, and heavy curls screw up my back much more than deadlifting. And I’m not even talking about that “reverse power clean” thing most people do and call curling, I’m just talking about the act of stabilization of the lower back and spine while weight swings out in front of you at a mechanically disadvatageous position. I think trying to use a bad lower back as your reason for curling in the squat rack is… well, iffy at best. If your lower back bothered you too much to pick the weight off the floor, it seems like you would only be doing curls while seated and/or with dumbells. Or wear a belt. Or use a machine. Or work on your lower back problems.
If there are empty racks, do whatever the hell you want in the damn things. Do pushups or crunches inside them if it makes you happy. But if I’m coming in to squat four wheels per side, your lifting the curl bar from the floor will be much safer than me trying to clean that (which would result in a loud CRACK and me screaming at about an inch from the floor). And that, I think, is why people do get irritated with curls in the squat rack.
And as for Dave Tate, $1.50, I don’t think you’ve read enough of his work. Dave often does Hammer Curls for elbow health. The thing that he harps on is how people do curls WHILE NEGLECTING money lifts like chins, deads, and rows. You can curl all the weight you want, but your biceps won’t grow half as much as they will from chinning, pulling, and rowing.
alright To: usmccds, you said guys should do squats or deads and then they wont be that small anymore? have you ever thought that maybe not everyone wants to be 300 pounds and you can look big at 150-180 lbs?
I received several good messages from people who agree with me. Let me ask you all this, to the people who say you can just pick up the weight and curl probably you never heard of partials have you? you can say this to anyone, you can tell people that they can do bench press lockouts outside of the rack, or shoulder presses, outside of the rack, How come you guys arent getting on their case for doing those lifts? probably because you do them as well.
And honestly if someone wants to do bench presses, curls whatever they want like i said who are you to decide what they are doing is right or wrong? this reminds me of a stupid debate i heard about people who lockout on every rep argueing with people who stop just short of lockouts, WHO CARES? if someone wants to do something a certain way let them, There is not a certian way you have to train.
TO Buckeye girl, Like i said i was going to make a thread about how bosu balls can be benefitial(because i see so many articles bashing bosu ball training and power rack curls) Your response is that it keeps “people busy while the rest of us train” Well you smart little girl, if thats the case then how come phil pfister ( worlds strongest man) uses it in his training? Point proven people should do what they want and how they want…OWNED
[quote]buckfifytrainer2 wrote:
alright To: usmccds, you said guys should do squats or deads and then they wont be that small anymore? have you ever thought that maybe not everyone wants to be 300 pounds and you can look big at 150-180 lbs?
I received several good messages from people who agree with me. Let me ask you all this, to the people who say you can just pick up the weight and curl probably you never heard of partials have you? you can say this to anyone, you can tell people that they can do bench press lockouts outside of the rack, or shoulder presses, outside of the rack, How come you guys arent getting on their case for doing those lifts? probably because you do them as well.
And honestly if someone wants to do bench presses, curls whatever they want like i said who are you to decide what they are doing is right or wrong? this reminds me of a stupid debate i heard about people who lockout on every rep argueing with people who stop just short of lockouts, WHO CARES? if someone wants to do something a certain way let them, There is not a certian way you have to train.
TO Buckeye girl, Like i said i was going to make a thread about how bosu balls can be benefitial(because i see so many articles bashing bosu ball training and power rack curls) Your response is that it keeps “people busy while the rest of us train” Well you smart little girl, if thats the case then how come phil pfister ( worlds strongest man) uses it in his training? Point proven people should do what they want and how they want…OWNED [/quote]
hmmm…that is a good point about phil pfister… never thought about that
[quote]buckfifytrainer2 wrote:
Well you smart little girl, if thats the case then how come phil pfister ( worlds strongest man) uses it in his training? [/quote]
[quote]Brant_Drake wrote:
buckfifytrainer2 wrote:
Well you smart little girl, if thats the case then how come phil pfister ( worlds strongest man) uses it in his training?
Hey, didn’t he lose? Hmmmm . . .[/quote]
Honestly, now im wondering whos the actual troll, because some of your replys that your giving buck fifty absolutely make no sence at all.? didnt he lose? I had the pleasure of talking to phil pfister and hes a real nice guy, and no he did not lose, he was the worlds strongest man of 2006, and brant_drake, who are you again? i never heard of you, but yet you can sit behind a computer and try to diss top level lifters.
[quote]knowledgeseaker wrote:
Brant_Drake wrote:
buckfifytrainer2 wrote:
Well you smart little girl, if thats the case then how come phil pfister ( worlds strongest man) uses it in his training?
Hey, didn’t he lose? Hmmmm . . .
Honestly, now im wondering whos the actual troll, because some of your replys that your giving buck fifty absolutely make no sence at all.? didnt he lose? I had the pleasure of talking to phil pfister and hes a real nice guy, and no he did not lose, he was the worlds strongest man of 2006, and brant_drake, who are you again? i never heard of you, but yet you can sit behind a computer and try to diss top level lifters. [/quote]
Hi there buckfifty! I think it’s cute how you post messages, then log in with another name to agree with yourself! Someone has low self-esteem!
And wasent there a 2007 World’s Strongest man? Oh Lordy there was! Who won it? Was it this guy?
Nope! I think it was this guy.
I guess great genetics and some shit-for-brains training program can only take you so far. Maybe WSM will introduce the double-swiss-ball blance event. All those icky squats done in the “all-purpose” rack won’t help that polish bastard now!
If you’re going to respond to this under a new screen name, can you choose “IwillbreakyourCPU” since that’s the only thing a scared little troll like me can respect.
can you list people, besides yourself, and knowledgeseaker (sic) who is probably also yourself, who has sent you a PM agreeing with you? bet you can’t. and “buckfifytrainer2” (sic) doesn’t count either.
[quote]buckfifytrainer2 wrote:
alright To: usmccds, you said guys should do squats or deads and then they wont be that small anymore? have you ever thought that maybe not everyone wants to be 300 pounds and you can look big at 150-180 lbs?
And honestly if someone wants to do bench presses, curls whatever they want like i said who are you to decide what they are doing is right or wrong? this reminds me of a stupid debate i heard about people who lockout on every rep argueing with people who stop just short of lockouts, WHO CARES? if someone wants to do something a certain way let them, There is not a certian way you have to train.
TO Buckeye girl, Like i said i was going to make a thread about how bosu balls can be benefitial(because i see so many articles bashing bosu ball training and power rack curls) Your response is that it keeps “people busy while the rest of us train” Well you smart little girl, if thats the case then how come phil pfister ( worlds strongest man) uses it in his training? Point proven people should do what they want and how they want…OWNED [/quote]
[quote]Racarnus wrote:
Putting the disks on the bar while it is on the floor can be a pain in the ass depending on how agreeable the bar is. It’s the most annoying part of deadlifting. Sometimes I end up having to fight with the disks so much that I think it pre fatigues me.[/quote]
Put on the first 45, then roll it up onto a nickel, which is laid flat. That will raise the bar and plate enough that you can put the rest of the 45s on with no problem. That’s also the easiest way to strip the bar when you’re done.
[quote]Racarnus wrote:
As far as legitimacy goes, the person with the most legitimacy is whoever got there first.[/quote]
If you are preventing someone from doing their workout, and could easily allow both yourself and that other person to work out at the same time by not needlessly using a rack, why wouldn’t you?
One of the neat things about Japanese culture is that, because they are packed together so tightly, everyone tries to have a minimal impact on their surrounding environment. It’s very rare to see them making big arm movements, or whatever. They are conscientious of the people around them.
We could learn a lot from that. Gyms are almost universally too small, and we, too, should be conscientious of the people around us. Don’t take up two stations when one would do. Don’t jump rope in the middle of the free weight area. And don’t curl in the squat rack.
[quote]Racarnus wrote:
Again, this thread isn’t about time being wasted. It’s about people who can’t find anything meaningful to bitch about. It’s about people trying to pull superiority over novices. Why else would people say it’s ok to squat rack curl as long as your curling over 135 lbs?[/quote]
[quote]buckfifytrainer2 wrote:
alright To: usmccds, you said guys should do squats or deads and then they wont be that small anymore? have you ever thought that maybe not everyone wants to be 300 pounds and you can look big at 150-180 lbs?[/quote]
If you’re having trouble deadlifting the weight you curl, you have huge structural imbalances, which for health’s sake alone need to be corrected, and that can best be done via deads and squats.
And you don’t have to become huge to deadlift 165 pounds, or whatever you people are curling. I’ve worked with 130 pound girls that can pull more than that.
No, the whole squat rack curl thing comes down to three things.
Laziness. “I don’t want to pick that heavy old bar up off the floor!”
Ego. “Look at me! I’m so strong, I have to use the rack to hold my curl bar!”
Rudeness. “Yeah, yeah, you want to use the rack for it’s intended purpose. Don’t you know that this is my gym, and I AM KING HERE?!?”
Yesterday I went to a local gym and hogged the rack the whole time. I started with rack pulls, squats, and some bottoms up zerchers. Then I did five sets of curls and some grip work. After that I set the bar at waist level and practiced my limbo skills. I finished by hanging from the bar at the top of the rack and swinging around like an idiot and doing bicycle kicks.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Yesterday I went to a local gym and hogged the rack the whole time. I started with rack pulls, squats, and some bottoms up zerchers. Then I did five sets of curls and some grip work. After that I set the bar at waist level and practiced my limbo skills. I finished by hanging from the bar at the top of the rack and swinging around like an idiot and doing bicycle kicks.[/quote]
