The HATE YOUR DOC Thread

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[quote]elliotnewman1 wrote:
Ther drug industry is a massive scam. If most people knew that food and far infra red saunas were the best way to cure even the most awful dis-eases the drug industry would die in a very short space of time. However,being the multi billion dollar industry that it is they will continue to brainwash doctors and therefore all people in genral into believing that they need a potion, lotion or pill to cure anything and everthing,no matter how minor or major. Everyone should read Sherry a Rogers “Detoxify or Die”. It’ll open your eyes as to what a scam drugs are and how to really stay healthy and/or cure dis-eases.
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Wheatgrass cured my cancer.

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I agree with the dumbass doctors, but have to add all the dumbass patients that refuse to do what is asked of them to get/stay healthy then run to the hospital or MD looking for a magic pil to “fix them”.

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[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
elliotnewman1 wrote:
Ther drug industry is a massive scam. If most people knew that food and far infra red saunas were the best way to cure even the most awful dis-eases the drug industry would die in a very short space of time. However,being the multi billion dollar industry that it is they will continue to brainwash doctors and therefore all people in genral into believing that they need a potion, lotion or pill to cure anything and everthing,no matter how minor or major. Everyone should read Sherry a Rogers “Detoxify or Die”. It’ll open your eyes as to what a scam drugs are and how to really stay healthy and/or cure dis-eases.

Wheatgrass cured my cancer.[/quote]

Im pleased to here that. Maybe it’ll inspire more people to realise that drugs are not the answer. What cancer did you have and how bad was it according to regular doctors?

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[quote]ocn2000 wrote:
I agree with the dumbass doctors, but have to add all the dumbass patients that refuse to do what is asked of them to get/stay healthy then run to the hospital or MD looking for a magic pil to “fix them”.[/quote]

Great point. And unless you know your doctor well he will assume you are one of the dumbasses and treat you accordingly.

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Every September here at Yale I see a new crop of first year Medical students. Every June I see the fourth year students graduate and go on to their residencies. Some of these would-be physicians are real doozies, and I just pray for the poor suckers who have the misfortune to cross their paths in the future.

Malpractice…this is what good lawyers are for, but that’s the topic of another thread altogether.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
If it were down to me, I would likely impose huge muthafuggin taxes on:

Any food producer that adds sugar, fat, salt, artificial anything to their products.

Cigarette/tobacco producers/vendors.

Alcohol producers/vendors.

Basically, anyone who contributes to the general decline in the nations health… This includes bastard car manufacturers, and all those corporations who insist on raping the planet, just so they can churn out the latest shiny piece of worthless, unessential shit, to be lusted over by the average, dull-eyed, slackjawed, materialistic twat.

The revenue generated would be used to educate the populace towards healthy living etc, whilst also giving the health service the short-term boost it needs to do the massive task it faces, dealing with all those who are dieing from ‘lifestyle’ and/or ‘environmental’ diseases like obesity and cancer etc.

Farmers and food-producers would be offered huge incentives to start producing sustainable, healthy products, that works in harmony with our bodies, and the environment.

Refined and artificial - OUT. Natural, and sustainable - IN.

In the long term, the health of the nation would be improved through the consumption of organic, healthy foods and dramatically improved activity levels etc.

Then doctors wouldn’t be the ‘all knowing, omnipotent demi-gods’ that the average member of the public sees them as. Consequently, I’m sure that the numbers of med-school applicants would drop, leaving those that are into it for the genuine health and caring of their fellow man, and not for the perceived status…

I’m a bit of an idealist perhaps, lol.

bushy

Christ, that was a bit of a rant![/quote]

Nice rant bushy! The only way to make this happen is for you to be our benevolent dictator. As long as you are going to rule the world for the benefit of mankind, make sure that gear is not taxed. ;}

Incompetent doctors, those producing alcohol, tobacco, processed food, automobiles and worthless junk can all quit their jobs and report for work at the tofu factories. Now available with Soyant Green - the perfect blend of sustainability and recycling.

Market forces run the game now and the consumer drives the whole system. Marketing, ignorance and deception influences the consumer, as well as peer pressure. So it would seem that a better informed consumer would be the key to change.

Situation A and situation B can be evaluated and one can strive for a change from A–>B. But the economic disruption of the changes can lead to unemployment and skills displacement. The change process can kill the strengths of A and B and the outcome can be unattractive to all. Drastic changes might be by definition lead only to failure. Evolutionary change would seem to provide a model for successful change.

The one thing that we can do is to try to keep the idiots out of public office. But the consumer is also an imperfect voter.

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[quote]elliotnewman1 wrote:

I see no need for the typical doctor. They prescribe antibiotics that kill people in the long run. I cant be the only person that has noticed that people who start taking antibiotics for one thing, seem to be on them permanatly a couple of years later. Probably the best quote regarding health i have ever heard is along the lines of:

“let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”

Ther drug industry is a massive scam. If most people knew that food and far infra red saunas were the best way to cure even the most awful dis-eases the drug industry would die in a very short space of time. However,being the multi billion dollar industry that it is they will continue to brainwash doctors and therefore all people in genral into believing that they need a potion, lotion or pill to cure anything and everthing,no matter how minor or major. Everyone should read Sherry a Rogers “Detoxify or Die”. It’ll open your eyes as to what a scam drugs are and how to really stay healthy and/or cure dis-eases.

By the way, i haven’t taken antibiotics in over 10 years and haven’t had anything worse than a cough or cold in that time period. A diet of whole foods, (raw when possible) and certain superfoods, such as wheatgrass is the real way to outstanding health.

Another good read is Aggressive Health

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That sounds like some hippie talk. COuld you tell me how to manage asthma without drugs like singulair, salbutamal, and inhaled corticosteroids??? Or possibly how to get test levels into as normal range without drugs from the big bad pharma companies?

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You know what they call the person who graduates last in his med class?

A doctor

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Since I had a motorcycle accident 2 1/2 yrs ago I have had multiple surgeries and I have had to deal with a good number of stupid doctors. I had a doctor tell me “there is nothing wrong with your back, you just need to take an Ibuprofen and walk a mile.” I went on and eventually my back deteriorated so bad I had to have an 11 1/2 hour back surgery complete with artificial disk.

After several shoulder surgeries I am finally getting to the place where I can work out again. Just recently I found a doctor that definitely needs to be purged from the gene pool. Since I have been working out and increasing my workout load I began to notice that I felt more like crap with each passing day. I went to my doctor and began to tell her what was going on. I asked her if it could be low testosterone levels.

Obviously she knows more than God and responded with, “What you need to do is eat some dates and take your wife to the movies.” I pressed in and requested that a testosterone test be done, and that she was to send the results to me. A week later the results come back 199ng. When I went back for a visit to discuss this she had know real answers but to hand me some androgel. And by the way this could drag on for months before we can figure it out.

Thanks but no thanks. I will go find someone who knows what they are talking about.

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Have you guys gotten everything out of your system?

Good.

If you have enough time and money for a computer and to write long rants on the Internet; then you have enough for a flight to a hundred different places in the World with NO doctors, NO insurance, NO antibiotics, NO immunizations, sanitation or greedy drug companies; and enough Voodoo and Tribal Witch Doctors to keep you “naturally” healthy for the rest of your Life.

I think too many people are “Paper Tigers” and talk tough while enjoying the benefits of Modern Life, and yes, Medicine.

The fact is that the average person would last about 2 days in a Dafur refugee camp, at 120 degrees in the shade, with an infected wound from a machete and suffering from pneumonia;

Or if you like the “natural” mountains? The Afghan mountains are beautiful this time of year. You can even have your own personal Warlord give you a Tour and you won’t find an antibiotic within “Stinger” range.

Hate modern medicine? “Hotel Dafur” and “The Afghan Alps” have plenty of room and reservations.

Mufasa

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By NO means am I suggesting that the Modern Medical System doesn’t need fixing.

But this thread is an indictment against the whole system and all doctors because of individual experiences.

I ask; is that right?

Mufasa

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Mufasa is quite right.

To begin, with, there is no shortage of ignorance mixed in with this high-minded indignation. As an aside, doctors were NOT trained as surgeons. Surgery came out of a very different line, namely barbers, and for centuries, surgeons were ostracized by the “medical” arm. To make statemetns liekt hat reflects illiteracy and ignorance.

Secondly, those of you who understand science, true science, woudl not be buying the crap that many of these companies sell you. You have no idea what the scientific method is. The crap that is sold and bruited about based on limited animal data using pharmacologic not physiologic doses, extrapolation of data from deficiency states to normal physioogy, and so much more is the kind of stuff that keeps a lot of dollars flowing into a lot of unscrupulous pockets because many are too gullible and want to believe.

Modern science and healthcare has resulted in amnong other things - eradication of polio, smallpox, treatment of hypertension, coronary bypass and stenting, statins for the treatment of high cholesterol, non-steroidals for a variety of ailments, tocoyltic therapy for preeclampsia in pregant women, gamma knife surgery,treatment of epilepsy, routine survival of premature infants, salvage of stroke and many other things…

That was based on science not because some half-truth was published in a muscle magazine, a good spokeman/woman was used for advertising and chatter in a chat room masqueraded as wisdom. Knowledge of physiology does not mean that you know what the hypothalamic-pituitary- testicular axis does…It is waaaaay more complex than that.

So if you have complaints about certain physicians, so be it. Medicine is not immune from range of competencies. But before you indict the medical profession, remember that when you develop a lump in your testicle, or you become hypothyroid, or you start having coronary artery disease, your treatments did not come from FLEX, M&F, Muscular Development or People magazine. They came throught eh hard long work that is science…That science is not to be confused with what you guys read on websites without peer review.

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Firstly, I do not live in South Africa and I am certainly not planning to do so anytime soon. I must apologize if my rant seemed like it indited the whole medical profession, but that is not the case. I have been treated by some of the most professional and well meaning doctors also. I am not ignorant of the worlds impoverished medical systems, but that still does not give people a right to mess with peoples lives. I had to be 911 in an out of the hospital until I could be stabilized, because I had no insurance.

When you cannot remember where you are half of the time it is not good for so called professionals to miss diagnose people or treat them like crap. I had to lay outside an emergency room on a sidewalk because I could not sit in a wheel chair any longer. The security guards came out and threatened me and then mocked me, I was certain they would have kicked me if my wife didn’t show up. Maybe they thought I was some homeless drug addict. That was not the case I just could not move my legs anymore.

When my wife tried to convince them that I could not walk they had her pull the car up to the entrance. Thats when they realized that maybe they made a mistake. They put me in my car and told us to park across the street. I had to go to the bathroom and I could not move so my wife had to take me home. She had to call 911 to get me out of the car just to take me right back to the same hospital. The whole night was a nightmare.

As a result of this incident I ended up with a major ruptured disk. All of this could have been avoided. If your only answer is to chastise me because I have found a forum where I could get this out of my system then you must be pretty shallow. If you think that everyone who owns a computer and writes something every once in awhile must be wealthy enough to travel around the world then you must be misinformed.

I had an accident that about killed me and was looking to spend the rest of my life in a wheel chair. I am fortunate that I live in a nation of innovation, but I will never apologize for being American. I do not know if you have ever experienced a situation that has taken everything from you and if you have I can empathize with you. Whoever I just want to get better.

So before you get on your high horse maybe you should get of of it and consider that you can be in a great nation and be pushed to the side and treated like crap. Don’t forget, we are all human beings sometimes we just have to tell our story.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
By NO means am I suggesting that the Modern Medical System doesn’t need fixing.

But this thread is an indictment against the whole system and all doctors because of individual experiences.

I ask; is that right?

Mufasa[/quote]

If we’re not supposed to rely upon our own judgment and experiences, then who’s judgment and experience SHOULD we rely upon? And what do I use to decide that my own judgment is defective? Maybe my own judgment…?

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Don’t “Straw Man” me…

Two very SEPARATE issues…and I’m the LAST to get on a “High Horse”…

The two separate issues were:

  1. An absolutely HORRIBLE experience you have had. I wish only the best for you and your recovery.

  2. Indicting a whole system because of that experience.

One doesn’t solve the other…

And who is making sweeping statements about whose Life without knowing them?

I’m neither rich, arrogant nor uncaring. In fact, I have cared for others almost my whole entire Life, and have given all I could when I didn’t have much.

I wish you only the best…

Mufasa

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I do not believe that those who responded to this thread think for one minute that the whole medical system and all it’s doctors are worthless. I do not think anyone can completely appreciate the profound effect modern medicine and science has upon our world today. I do question individual and corporate judgements.

At the corporate level, the pharmaceutical industry has been indited for releasing drugs into main stream society that resulted in thousands of casualties. Physicians take an oath of service, but does anybody have a motive detector? I do not think so. How about surgeons that have left their patience on the operating table to play a round of golf.

Are these good examples of good judgement? Before you go crazy with the narrowness of these statements, please consider the whole picture. People are asking to be treated the same way the physician would treat his only daughter or wife should they become seriously ill. Let’s face it people are people and we all make mistakes.

I just think that when you approach your physician or health care organization you should not be told I’m smart your dumb shut up and go away. If one is to make an accurate judgement maybe it is in his or her best interest to find out what others in the same profession think. Certainly physicians should not be so quick to dismiss what their patience are trying to communicate.

furthermore if a physicians judgement has proven to be consistently unacceptable maybe we need to consider wether or not the physician should be practicing.

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Anyone that refers to how surgeons have left their patients on the operating room table to play a round of golf is someone so fundamentally disconnected from rational thought and reality that a converstaing is meaningless.

In addition, pharmaceutical comapnies that have released drugs into society…My goodness.It must be tough to live in your world where everyone is out to get us. The FDA prevents more useful drugs from getting to market because of hypervigilance and some of the most life saving drugs (like beta blockers) were released in the uK before here and it is estimated that hundreds of thousands of US patients died because of the trmendous delay in approval.

If paranoia is the food that feeds one’s intellect, all rational discourse is impossible. So lets allow people to get back to believing that surgeons are going to play golf while leaving patients in the middle of the operation, and comfort yourself that the world is out to screw you instead of help.

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I’m sorry he didn’t leave to play golf, he went to cash his paycheck.

www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/03/21/what_went_wrong

Doctor leaves patient on the table to cash his paycheck!

Why don’t you check the numbers on Vioxx, zyprexa, celebrex…

why can’t the FDA scrutinize these drugs a little more before they give them to some poor sap.

Anyway I don’t know how I got into this stupid conversation in the first place. I guess it was mefusa and his or her grand lecture on how I should take a trip to the local witch doctor. How stupid.

I guess people cannot share their experiences anymore. I didn’t know there were so many persnickety people watching the boards.

Sorry if I caused you to get all constipated. I meant no harm.

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I see where this is going…

I’m no “hijacker”…

If this was meant to be a “rant” thread to vent on the Medical System and all of its evils, I apologize.

Have at it.

I’m out.

Mufasa