The HATE YOUR DOC Thread

My best story is when I went to see one of the college doctors when I was in school. I was having some stomach problems where I lost tons of weight/muscle in a short time (and I had none to lose at the time). I sit down and the first thing he says is…“your leg is going to be fine.” Confused, I glance down at his file, and realize he’s reading not only the wrong file, but a woman’s file. What’s worse? I go to correct him and tell him it’s not my leg…and yeah…I’m a dude, by the way doc…at least get in the right ballpark…AND THEN HE STARTS TALKING OVER ME SO I CAN’T CORRECT HIM. I was outraged. Then I was amuzed. I let him play it out until he realized what the hell he was doing.

There are some great doctors out there. However, they are outnumbered by terrible ones, and it takes a lot of sorting through the ones who waste our time to find the good ones.

My GP told me my 314 ng/dl total t and 5.1 bio t was normal so I needn’t worry. I had all the symptoms of low test. She gave me some antidepressants and sent me on my way. LOng story short, now I have an anti aging/HRT doctor and a new GP. She was also the doctor that when my sister got hit by a car she wouldn’t make herself available to her. She has many charges against her under some doctos board thing here in ontario.

bottom line. if your “doc” does not practice and preach quality lifestyle habits, get a doc who does. if your “doc” likes to spew about stuff he or she is not current on, find a doc who stays up to date. most of the people on this site are educated or are at least able to think critically and are taking charge of their own health.

[quote]boondoc holiday wrote:
…and are taking charge of their own health.[/quote]

This is really the key issue as far as I am concerned. If you’re taking charge of your own health and educating yourself about how, exactly, to do that, then you’re immune to bad doctors. You’ll know bullshit when you hear it and move on.

[quote]happydog48 wrote:
boondoc holiday wrote:
…and are taking charge of their own health.

This is really the key issue as far as I am concerned. If you’re taking charge of your own health and educating yourself about how, exactly, to do that, then you’re immune to bad doctors. You’ll know bullshit when you hear it and move on.
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Yes, but you still need a doctor to write the prescription, so you might be right, but you would have to convince the doc that you’re right, and they may feel insulted that you diagnosed yourself, and would get defensive, might tell you you’re wrong just to save face, etc.

Navy doctor story:

Wife had a bad car accident about 5-6 years prior to getting pregnant, and had chronic back pain from the accident. Doctors in LA (where the accident happened) took MRI’s immediately and said the pain could get worse throughout the years, which it did.

One of the 4 different doctors who sees my wife for her pregnancy (couldn’t just get one doctor to feel comfortable with through the whole pregnancy like civilians usually get) prescribes two different NARCOTICS for the pain, when she’s 4 months pregnant.

We do some searching about the drugs on WebMD, and she decides it’s not worth the risk, and deals with the pain.

Second doctor she sees for a regular check-up looks at her file and sais that she wouldn’t have prescribed one of those drugs to a pregnant woman, and asked my wife if the other doctor knew that she was pregnant. Since the other checkup was BECAUSE she was pregnant, we assumed the doctor knew.

This doctor prescribes a non-narcotic drug that helps with the pain, and isn’t a major risk of KILLING our unborn child.

Fast forward to delivery. We are directed to go to a civilian hospital by a military nurse because the contractions are close, and we lived 45min. from the base. We get there and are told to wait and come back later. Okay, that’s normal. No problems there.

Her contractions are closer and stronger, so we go back and are ultimately seen about 10 hours after the first visit. We notice the same doctor is working, so it’s obvious she has had a long day. An hour goes by and my wife is ready to go into labor. I go out into the hall to tell the nurse, and one acnowledges. We wait over 10 minutes, and my wife is affraid the baby will come out, and there’s no nurse. I go back out to get her, and she’s chatting with 2 other nurses, laughing about some joke she heard. I make it clear that my wife feels like the baby will come out, and get the nurse in there (wife is on the table already, and the nurse had her situated so that if the baby did come out, it would land on the floor about 3 feet down).

Nurse goes in and sees that wife is dilated 10cm and is ready for labor.

Nurse has my wife push for about 15-20 minutes total, half of the time the nurse is away from us at the sink, or somewhere else in the room.

The nurse calls the doctor in (first time ever speaking with this doctor now) and the doctor says that the baby’s not close enough, and we have to go to a c-section. Again, this is after only 15-20 minutes of labor, when we’ve heard of women being in labor for many hours.

Doctor brings us in for the c-seciton, sits me at my wifes head, and I hear one say to another “what’s that, put that back in!” in a stern wisper. God knows what they took out of my wife.

Wife has baby, and is in terrible pain thinking she’s going to die from the c-section. Ultimately, the doctors tell her the pain could last up to a year, but usually no more than 3 months.

The pain at her section was BAD for over a year and a half. Anytime she called about the pain, she was told that there’s nothing they could do about it.

Fast forward a year and a half, doctor prescribes a drug for my daughter’s bronchiolitis, and again, another doctor says he wouldn’t have prescribed that drug for my daughter, being only 1.5 years old, at least not without trying a weaker drug first.

I don’t trust doctors anymore.

The thing that is being failed to mention is that somewhere along the way, we as a people forgot what doctors do. Medical doctors were trained as surgeons and were supposed to be used in that regard. When someone had a chronic health issue they would see someone or attempt a more naturopathic approach.

If you break something or need stitches, go see a doc. If you have a chronic health issue and go see the guy/gal in the white coat you have set yourself up for failure. Most of the medical fields’ knowledge of nutrition is abysmal and they are mostly taught pharmaceuticals. Take the power back into your own hands and learn how to fix minor ailments without drugs.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
The thing that is being failed to mention is that somewhere along the way, we as a people forgot what doctors do. Medical doctors were trained as surgeons and were supposed to be used in that regard. When someone had a chronic health issue they would see someone or attempt a more naturopathic approach.

If you break something or need stitches, go see a doc. If you have a chronic health issue and go see the guy/gal in the white coat you have set yourself up for failure. Most of the medical fields’ knowledge of nutrition is abysmal and they are mostly taught pharmaceuticals. Take the power back into your own hands and learn how to fix minor ailments without drugs.[/quote]

Amen to THAT! Especially in the flu season when TONS of people go to the doctor because “they have a cold” (shocking)

OK horrible story about my last Dentist:
-10 months ago I got Dental Ins and go to see the dentist for the 2nd time in my life. I get my gums treated (were bleeding badly) and get some fillings done on 4 of my molars.

-BUT at the end of the 1st visit the dentist tries to sell me an INVISINE, a $6000+ treatment to straighten teeth that the insurance won’t cover. I am 20yr old, I don’t have badly crooked teeth, they are simply not “Picture Perfect Straight” and have been like that since I was 9yrs old. I said, I’ll think about it.

But then through out the subsequent visits he stills insists on selling it, and when I always ask for reasons all I get is: 1) Ur teeth will look nicer [what, are u a dentist or cosmetic surgeon?] 2)It would be easier of ur tongue to wipe away dirt [dude, I still have to floss 2X a day anyways].

I shrug the offer off about 5x and one time calls me up to tell me that I order it this month his 2 nurses will be able to get a weeknd paid trip to NYC. What kind of pitch is that? (Hell I would appreciate the honesty if he would have told me that if I ordered this month then he would make the quota and he would get an additional % in his commission.) Then, after all that… he was a lil pissy at me… needless to say after the last gum clean up, I changed my dentist.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I wonder who many people discussing how “stupid” doctors are, are making six figures? Why don’t all of you brainiacs harness that intelligence and go make some money?

Oh, yeah, that’s right… You like not being in control of your own financial destines. Yeah, that must be it![/quote]

Me, for one. And note that I gave my current doc props. I think you might be suprised how many professionals, business owners, etc are on T-Nation. BTW - breaking into 6 figures is not that hard. In some parts of the country, you need to do it to live half-way decent.

No one said doctors aren’t paid, or are not intelligent.

Some people just had a problem, becuase they aren’t staying ontop of thier shit.

If they stayed ontop of thier shit there would be no reason to BS us, and occasionally the answer can be “I don’t know, let me get back to you on that”.

[quote]SWR-1240 wrote:
Navy doctor story:

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Man, you guys had a terrible experience! If your wife can’t be healed, could she be on Oxycontin or something similar? Your story sounds like a couple of years from hell!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
SWR-1240 wrote:
Navy doctor story:

Man, you guys had a terrible experience! If your wife can’t be healed, could she be on Oxycontin or something similar? Your story sounds like a couple of years from hell!

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She wasn’t ever on Oxycotin. I was thinking they left something in her after the c-section, but my wife didn’t want to get it checked out. The pain is gone now (3 years later), but she had mild pain for over 2 years.

[quote]djrobins wrote:
occasionally the answer can be “I don’t know, let me get back to you on that”.

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That can never be. With Doctors it’s out of sight, out of mind. They only deal with you while they are in front of you. With the exception of maybe 2 minutes to review your chart right before.

Like everything else in life there are good doctors and bad doctors.

I keep switching until I find a good one. I do work in the health care field and have may have more knowledge than the average guy. Doctors really do not like to be questioned or challenged. However they have to give you the impression of infallibility. My closet friend is a doctor. When he is with me he will be the first to admit when he is not knowledgeable about a topic. He has even called me for things he knows I am more knowledgeable than him.

My advice is two fold. Research you doctor. What is his reputation? What are his credentials? Where did he graduate? What hospitals is he associated with.

Also be prepared to pay out of pocket for a great doctor. I have been to a few Orthopedic surgeons. Most I would not trust to operate on me. One day while doing deadlifts, I ruptured a bicep. The surgeon I picked is excellent, but did not take my insurance. I chose him to re-attach it and never regretted it.

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[quote]t-guy69 wrote:
Also be prepared to pay out of pocket for a great doctor. I have been to a few Orthopedic surgeons. Most I would not trust to operate on me. One day while doing deadlifts, I ruptured a bicep. The surgeon I picked is excellent, but did not take my insurance. I chose him to re-attach it and never regretted it.
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This is true.

A coworker of mine has a friend in AZ who is a doctor. He decided to pitch dealing with insurance permanently and has around 50 permanent cash-paid clients. They get charged a LOT less and have a good doctor who cares. He makes a ton of money.

Don’t know why more docs don’t do that.

-Dan

Doctors don’t know everything. The problem is that some of them act like they do.

I once saw a dermatologist who smoked a cigar during my visit.

IMO one big problem is that some doctors act like “Okay I made it through medical school. Now it’s time to get paid”.

I have to say that I actually do have a great GP now. He’s smart, considerate, he listens to me. I wish I could afford to see him more often… I don’t have insurance.

[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Doctors don’t know everything. The problem is that some of them act like they do.
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Brad61: You hit on something. It is OUR perception of doctors. We EXPECT them to be perfect and know everything. We also expect them to TREAT US.

I want to address my second point first. We expect doctors to TREAT US. What I mean is if you went to a doctor with a sore throat, you expect to get an antibiotic. If the doctor told you “Sorry, the Strep test is negative. You?ll get better on your own, you just be uncomfortable a few day” you would most likely be annoyed. Doctors treat their practice like a business and try to keep patients happy. Having said that, I am not implying a doctor would ever treat and harm a patient. However, an antibiotic or anti-inflammatory for sore muscles can be a relatively innocuous treatment. Plus you leave happy.

Back to the point Brad61 made. The general population expects their doctor to know how to properly treat them. To my point again, Doctors treat their practice like a business. So if you came in and had a rash, stomach pain, and fever and your doctor said,
“Damn, this could be anything. I just not sure what the heck it is. I?ll give you some amoxicillin and do some blood work to run a battery of expensive test to try and narrow it down?”.You would leave and never come back. You expect them to know, you expect them to treat you and make you better. They give you the illusion you need to feel confidant. The reality is most people will get better on their own.

By the way, if you have not read Its Not About the Bike by Lance Armstrong, I would recommend it. If you read my first post, that is a perfect example of someone who took accountability for their own health. Lance Armstrong went to a local hospital and received a diagnosis of testicular cancer (as I?m sure you all know). The doctor started treatment. He researcher the disease AND researched the doctors and found the best doctor to give him his best chance to survive. The doctor also took the fact that he raced into consideration as her treated him.

[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
t-guy69 wrote:
Also be prepared to pay out of pocket for a great doctor. I have been to a few Orthopedic surgeons. Most I would not trust to operate on me. One day while doing deadlifts, I ruptured a bicep. The surgeon I picked is excellent, but did not take my insurance. I chose him to re-attach it and never regretted it.

This is true.

A coworker of mine has a friend in AZ who is a doctor. He decided to pitch dealing with insurance permanently and has around 50 permanent cash-paid clients. They get charged a LOT less and have a good doctor who cares. He makes a ton of money.

Don’t know why more docs don’t do that.

-Dan[/quote]

I think this is the solution to most of our medical problems. That is why it will never work.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Since our knowledge is based upon our experience, I would have to conclude that the medical profession is done for. If I saw such incompetence in my teaching staff as I’ve seen in the medical profession, I’d fire them all immediately and at once.

From the doctor who was an hour and 15 minutes late (that’s when I walked out, so he may have been later still)…to the doctor who thought Androgel was applied with a patch…to the wonderful gent who wanted to reduce my Test when I came in at 4 points above the minimum…to the doctor who was shocked when I said I wanted just to be in midrange…

…this thread is dedicated to these fine medical professionals who, I’m sure, never went into medicine for the money…no, never, ever…[/quote]

I see no need for the typical doctor. They prescribe antibiotics that kill people in the long run. I cant be the only person that has noticed that people who start taking antibiotics for one thing, seem to be on them permanatly a couple of years later. Probably the best quote regarding health i have ever heard is along the lines of:

“let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”

Ther drug industry is a massive scam. If most people knew that food and far infra red saunas were the best way to cure even the most awful dis-eases the drug industry would die in a very short space of time. However,being the multi billion dollar industry that it is they will continue to brainwash doctors and therefore all people in genral into believing that they need a potion, lotion or pill to cure anything and everthing,no matter how minor or major. Everyone should read Sherry a Rogers “Detoxify or Die”. It’ll open your eyes as to what a scam drugs are and how to really stay healthy and/or cure dis-eases.

By the way, i haven’t taken antibiotics in over 10 years and haven’t had anything worse than a cough or cold in that time period. A diet of whole foods, (raw when possible) and certain superfoods, such as wheatgrass is the real way to outstanding health.

Another good read is Aggressive Health

[quote]Brad61 wrote:
I once saw a dermatologist who smoked a cigar during my visit.

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This site is the greatest!